Arriving at work early
Discussion
hepy said:
The Selfish Gene said:
wow
oh my - me thinks you don't understand. I am the employer - I have clients. No brown nosing required. Not even considered.
We do what is necessary to succeed.
What we do is hugely important, and we are rewarded accordingly.
As for being inefficient - we don't all stuff chickens on an assembly line pal x x
Tell Charles I’m on my way.....taxi!oh my - me thinks you don't understand. I am the employer - I have clients. No brown nosing required. Not even considered.
We do what is necessary to succeed.
What we do is hugely important, and we are rewarded accordingly.
As for being inefficient - we don't all stuff chickens on an assembly line pal x x
Countdown said:
The Selfish Gene said:
15 minutes before work? yeah I have to be at work 
as for the rest of the time - I leave when I'm done, not when it's time.
Suspect we are talking about different role levels here though.
When anyone in my team starts clock watching to that level, I know they'll be leaving soon.
Why do you HAVE to be at work 15 minutes before you start work? as for the rest of the time - I leave when I'm done, not when it's time.
Suspect we are talking about different role levels here though.
When anyone in my team starts clock watching to that level, I know they'll be leaving soon.
MissChief said:
If you were a boss of a department that relied on systems that took 10-15 minutes to start up would you be happy paying someone for that time when they're not working? I doubt it.
I’m not sure I understand.Do they need to be there 10-15 minutes before their normal start time? If so then that’s part of their working time and therefore should be paid.
The Selfish Gene said:
work is something you do, not somewhere you go.
Assuming these are personal computers, that you do your job on.
If they are something networked important (such as Air Traffic control) and you have to be ready to go exactly on time, then I can see why that rule exists.
Equally though, it's a bit 'white socks' isn't it.
What the problem with being there 15 minutes early? I'm contracted to do 37.5 hours a week, I usually do 50plus. I do this because I'm not some strike happy union dick face and I have respect for my employers and role
sounds to me like your respect for your employers outweighs your respect for your own time and their respect for it too.Assuming these are personal computers, that you do your job on.
If they are something networked important (such as Air Traffic control) and you have to be ready to go exactly on time, then I can see why that rule exists.
Equally though, it's a bit 'white socks' isn't it.
What the problem with being there 15 minutes early? I'm contracted to do 37.5 hours a week, I usually do 50plus. I do this because I'm not some strike happy union dick face and I have respect for my employers and role
Countdown said:
If you were a boss of a department that relied on systems that took 10-15 minutes to start up would you be happy paying someone for that time when they're not working? I doubt it.
If we're going to be really picky about it, why should an employee have to turn up 15 minutes early on their own time just because an employer is too cheap to invest in proper IT systems? The employee is contracted to give their time to the company between the hours of 'x' and 'y' as standard (and, on rare occasions, potentially a little outside of this but this clearly shouldn't be the norm). If the employer doesn't want employees sitting and waiting ten minutes after 9am for PCs to boot then they need to put quicker systems in, not expect the employee to give up their time. My work PC is a mid-spec HP which boots in about 40 seconds, not to mention having a PC which keeps up with you throughout the day means less waiting for loads, saves, updates etc.If the systems are so antiquated that they need quarter of an hour to boot and the company won't invest in decent hardware then someone should be paid to ensure that they're all booted and ready when the employees need to start work within the contracted hours imo.
10 mins per day is nearly 40 hours over the course of a year (assuming 47 working weeks - 4 weeks hols and a week or so of public holidays) that the employee is giving for free to the employer to accommodate the employer's s
tty PCs.wilksy61 said:
I work 50 hrs a week for my employer, although I'm contracted for 37.5hrs, its my choice to work the extra hours and I do it for a variety of reasons, traffic, habit, enjoyment etc I don't get paid for the extra but if I need to leave early or come in late then I do so without losing pay.
Last year we had a huge job for a famous New York company to complete which required early starts for me (5am) with a normal finish at around 17:30 for July through to December, I did it because the job needed doing and no I didn't get any extra money.
Our Quality Manager gets in at 1 second before 8am and is gone 1 second before 5pm, nobody says anything and he still gets his normal pay.
The one thing I do like though is getting in for 7:55 am and somebody telling me I'm late - I say no i'm actually 5 minutes early.
Fundamentally its my choice.
You feel it's acceptable to work an extra week every month for no extra pay? (that's what the extra hours you're doing equates to).Last year we had a huge job for a famous New York company to complete which required early starts for me (5am) with a normal finish at around 17:30 for July through to December, I did it because the job needed doing and no I didn't get any extra money.
Our Quality Manager gets in at 1 second before 8am and is gone 1 second before 5pm, nobody says anything and he still gets his normal pay.
The one thing I do like though is getting in for 7:55 am and somebody telling me I'm late - I say no i'm actually 5 minutes early.
Fundamentally its my choice.
It may be by choice but trust me, you're been taken for a mug but that's ok, you can leave early now and then...
Your quality control manager has it right. I understand that big jobs come in and it's all hands to the pumps but you should be compensated accordingly.
Back to the op, the company's crappy computers are not your problem, after all what happens as they get even older and slower? Will they expect you to come in 30 minutes earlier to allow them to boot up? At what point does it become unacceptable?
The Selfish Gene said:
this has to be a windup surely?
I'm fairly sure you're on the windup, yeah.Anyway. I'm an employer - office, chartered professionals - and I agree it should be give and take. I really don't mind what people get up to so long as the work is done, and take full responsibility if they're sitting idle at any point. They're free to come and go for appointments, work from home if required, come in late, leave early, etc.
I do resent a few of those that work their exact hours, though - in my company they tend to be more than happy to take the flexibility we offer, but won't give a bit back by taking account of higher workload periods and staying on for a bit. Tend to hanker after the good old days of inflationary, non-performance linked pay rises, shirk training opportunities and think 'this month's mileage, please!' is a cue to forward claim, inexplicably.
Edited by iphonedyou on Tuesday 23 October 19:36
WonkeyDonkey said:
Wow.
What a load of bks. It's one thing working an extra 10 minutes or so a day, but working and extra 2 and a half hours a day just to brown nose your employers?
Sod that, you're only getting paid 80% of what you really should be in that case. Either that or you're a completely inefficient worker.
What if doing the extra hours gets you a job in triple the pay; would you still refuse?What a load of b
ks. It's one thing working an extra 10 minutes or so a day, but working and extra 2 and a half hours a day just to brown nose your employers? Sod that, you're only getting paid 80% of what you really should be in that case. Either that or you're a completely inefficient worker.
James_B said:
What if doing the extra hours gets you a job in triple the pay; would you still refuse?
Conversely, what happens if you’re perfectly happy with the job that you’re doing, you like your team, you tolerate your boss, the money pays for a nice home/car/ couple of holidays a year, the Mrs works part time so it’s all comfortable thanks?Anyway, back to the OP
How many employees out of interest?
Zor600 said:
Hi all,
So for years at my workplace colleagues have had to arrive approx 15 min before their start time to set up they’re computers (they take at least 10 mins to boot up due to the age of them).
For example, if you start at 8, you must arrive at 7.45. If you arrive at 8, you are classed as late as you cannot sign in at 8 due to the systems not being up.
Is this allowed? We don’t get paid for this extra 15 min
It's only allowed if you all continue to accept it. If your PC takes 10 minutes to boot up, why not leave them on overnight or arrange for 1 person to come in early to fire them all up instead of everyone sitting there idle for 10 minutes every day?So for years at my workplace colleagues have had to arrive approx 15 min before their start time to set up they’re computers (they take at least 10 mins to boot up due to the age of them).
For example, if you start at 8, you must arrive at 7.45. If you arrive at 8, you are classed as late as you cannot sign in at 8 due to the systems not being up.
Is this allowed? We don’t get paid for this extra 15 min
How many employees out of interest?
It’s a very large office with about 70 employees, we have our own personal logins so unfortunately no one can boot the systems up for us. No one has said anything to management as it has been like this for as long as I can remember. For the sake of 15 mins extra I think they don’t bother complaining
The Selfish Gene said:
ozzuk said:
It is different for you though, although you say you are contracted to do 37.5 hours, you are obviously happy that your compensation is adequate that you'll happily work 50+ hours as a norm. Nothing wrong with that.
Where that isn't fine is if you believe your compensation doesn't match your contribution. I.e. you are taken on at a rate to do a role for 37.5 hours and your company expects as a norm for you to do 50+. That is not two way respect, to test that trying asking your employer for a 25% pay rise. Our site managers leave on time as a norm - 6 figure salaries, because that is how they value their time, and how the company values their time.
yeah agreed - but the OP is talking about getting in 15 minutes early to start his job on time.............then I'm being vilified and told I'm not efficient and my 'boss' is taking the piss because I work 50 hours and not 37.5Where that isn't fine is if you believe your compensation doesn't match your contribution. I.e. you are taken on at a rate to do a role for 37.5 hours and your company expects as a norm for you to do 50+. That is not two way respect, to test that trying asking your employer for a 25% pay rise. Our site managers leave on time as a norm - 6 figure salaries, because that is how they value their time, and how the company values their time.
My point is, it doesn't matter what is written on the contract, it's irrelevant if you have the right mind set.
If I ever worked my actual hours in the week of 37.5 - I'd probably still do more than 50 learning something new, or making money doing something else.
you know?
Its not the "right mind set" to have the piss taken out of you.
If you're happy that your pay is enough for you to work 50+ hours a week, good for you. If its your business (and I mean yours, not that you're an employee at senior level), then, yep, you do whatever is necessary.
If you're an employee paid by the hour and required to be present for a number of hours a week, then, as in the OPs case, the owner is taking the mick.
Slightly OT
If you’re self employed/ the owner of the business then the comparison with PAYE staff is meaningless. Every single minute you work for YOUR business you do in the hope/expectation that your income will increase. People who work for you don’t have that benefit unless they’re on a profit share scheme. So expecting them to regularly do extra hours without extra reward is stupid.
If you’re self employed/ the owner of the business then the comparison with PAYE staff is meaningless. Every single minute you work for YOUR business you do in the hope/expectation that your income will increase. People who work for you don’t have that benefit unless they’re on a profit share scheme. So expecting them to regularly do extra hours without extra reward is stupid.
The Selfish Gene said:
wow
oh my - me thinks you don't understand. I am the employer - I have clients. No brown nosing required. Not even considered.
We do what is necessary to succeed.
What we do is hugely important, and we are rewarded accordingly.
As for being inefficient - we don't all stuff chickens on an assembly line pal x x
oh my - me thinks you don't understand. I am the employer - I have clients. No brown nosing required. Not even considered.
We do what is necessary to succeed.
What we do is hugely important, and we are rewarded accordingly.
As for being inefficient - we don't all stuff chickens on an assembly line pal x x
What’s this hugely important job?
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