Generation Z and interviews
Discussion
InitialDave said:
If you think someone not being able to attend an interview the day/time you set is grounds for no longer considering them, you're out of your tree.
Arrange a mutually convenient time like adults, if someone tried that with me I'd consider it a lucky escape.
Then consider me out of my tree. A mutually convenient time was already agreed. If they can't act like an adult and turn up on time, or at the least call to re-arrange, then it doesn't seem like the kind of person I want. In the real world we have time constraints and targets.Arrange a mutually convenient time like adults, if someone tried that with me I'd consider it a lucky escape.
I don't buy all the terms like millenials it over simplifies and presumes people are simple stereotypical things .
I've seen traits that people label as "millenials" in older people 50+ . I've also seen 18 year old kids work their arse off for minimum wage with no complaints .
I also think there needs to be compromise on interview times . Lots of people have jobs already so have to prioritise that.
It sounds like your interview and recruitment process needs a re-jig . Try and screen out the idiots beforehand and attract the best candidates
It's easy for me to say this , I share do your pain ! I've had people turn up for interviews over an hour early !! I told him to come back in 45 , to which he replied "no I will wait inside " I told him we didn't have the space , so I'll interview you now ...to which he replied "no I want to wait an hour"
There was another person who turned up a day early for an interview as well!
I've seen traits that people label as "millenials" in older people 50+ . I've also seen 18 year old kids work their arse off for minimum wage with no complaints .
I also think there needs to be compromise on interview times . Lots of people have jobs already so have to prioritise that.
It sounds like your interview and recruitment process needs a re-jig . Try and screen out the idiots beforehand and attract the best candidates
It's easy for me to say this , I share do your pain ! I've had people turn up for interviews over an hour early !! I told him to come back in 45 , to which he replied "no I will wait inside " I told him we didn't have the space , so I'll interview you now ...to which he replied "no I want to wait an hour"
There was another person who turned up a day early for an interview as well!
InitialDave said:
Those who were late once the time was agreed were not what was being discussed, just the opening part of the OP where it's mentioned they could not attend at the proposed time.
I see what you're saying now, apologies as I misunderstood your point and was just referring to the late people.I agree with you entirely on the proposed time thing. I expect people to need to work around things and wouldn't ever dictate a time to someone. Normally interviews would take place over a couple of weeks but we might only see 3 or 4 people.
poing said:
I see what you're saying now, apologies as I misunderstood your point and was just referring to the late people.
I agree with you entirely on the proposed time thing. I expect people to need to work around things and wouldn't ever dictate a time to someone. Normally interviews would take place over a couple of weeks but we might only see 3 or 4 people.
Thanks, yes, that's the bit I meant.I agree with you entirely on the proposed time thing. I expect people to need to work around things and wouldn't ever dictate a time to someone. Normally interviews would take place over a couple of weeks but we might only see 3 or 4 people.
I’ve employed Gen Xers to Millenials.
The only thing the Gen Xers have over the Millenials is experience in the workplace. All the rest is up for grabs.
Thankfully I’ve never employed Boomers. Which is great as a bigger bunch of snowflakes (to use the modern parlance) I’ve never seen - talk about entitled..!
The only thing the Gen Xers have over the Millenials is experience in the workplace. All the rest is up for grabs.
Thankfully I’ve never employed Boomers. Which is great as a bigger bunch of snowflakes (to use the modern parlance) I’ve never seen - talk about entitled..!
Condi said:
Agree with a lot of this.
Some of the frustration with millenials is that having grown up with IT as part of our lives, we're generally quite lazy and can often see ways things could be automated, quicker and more efficient using technology. Meanwhile business' are stuck in the 'we've always done it this way' mentality, and 50 year old managers are either unaware, or unwilling to consider, alternatives.
Might able to see how it could be automated but have no clue of how to automate it. Employers who can automate stuff and get shot of staff are plenty keen enough for automation. People who know how to implement it are in demand.Some of the frustration with millenials is that having grown up with IT as part of our lives, we're generally quite lazy and can often see ways things could be automated, quicker and more efficient using technology. Meanwhile business' are stuck in the 'we've always done it this way' mentality, and 50 year old managers are either unaware, or unwilling to consider, alternatives.
can you beat this:
our company does a lot of recruitment/work experience with those folk you wouldn't normally bother with.
long term unemployed, new graduates looking for actual work experience and so on.
proper paid 3-6 mth roles- office environment.
a lady 2 weeks ago in my dept interviewed 14 adults- from early 20's to 40's.
a very basic literacy test- put these 4 files in alphabetical order by address.
so 124 Central Ave Leeds
is thus before 125 Central Ave, London.
13 out of 14 failed the task. some of them terribly so.
our company does a lot of recruitment/work experience with those folk you wouldn't normally bother with.
long term unemployed, new graduates looking for actual work experience and so on.
proper paid 3-6 mth roles- office environment.
a lady 2 weeks ago in my dept interviewed 14 adults- from early 20's to 40's.
a very basic literacy test- put these 4 files in alphabetical order by address.
so 124 Central Ave Leeds
is thus before 125 Central Ave, London.
13 out of 14 failed the task. some of them terribly so.
poing said:
InitialDave said:
Those who were late once the time was agreed were not what was being discussed, just the opening part of the OP where it's mentioned they could not attend at the proposed time.
I see what you're saying now, apologies as I misunderstood your point and was just referring to the late people.I agree with you entirely on the proposed time thing. I expect people to need to work around things and wouldn't ever dictate a time to someone. Normally interviews would take place over a couple of weeks but we might only see 3 or 4 people.
ambuletz said:
In my early 20s (not long ago). I turned up 45min late for a job and was very suprised I still go it. I did however call them up well over an hour in advance of the interview time telling them that I had missed my train and i potentially might be as much as an hour late, called them up again once I was out the other end and walking up so they knew how long I'd be.
They didn't seemed to mind and appriciated that I kept open communication with them and give them updates.
I'm technically a millennial and both jobs I have had I was late for the interview. 1. Horrendous unforecasted storm caused road flooding etc.. 2. Second time all trains out of Paddington cancelled for 2 hours.They didn't seemed to mind and appriciated that I kept open communication with them and give them updates.
Didn't seem to bother them when I rang up to tell them. Not sure I would want to work for a company that would get worked up over essentially force majeure events delaying me. Of course completely different matter if you don't let them know ASAP.
The 4th one over the promotion is one that I would question as well. Most graduates (presuming that is what they are) these days are not as interested so much in how much they earn necessarily, but what progression, training and work/life balance will be within the role.
I agree they asked at the incorrect time and probably worded it in a manner that is not "professional", but the route cause of it is really down to that. Most recent studies and surveys have shown that salary actually comes down 3rd or even 4th of "priorities" for graduates. Where as development and progression came top and work/life balance a close second.
It is one of the reasons (in my view) my previous company struggled to recruit graduates (and equally keep the ones they had) as senior management (baby boomers and generation x) failed to really "grasp" the nettle thinking they were money motivated like them and cut training and development.They lost a number of good graduate talent by not really ultimately understanding what was the driving force behind them working for the company.
In regards to timings I would expect some to turn up on time or call in advance if there was going to be issues so I can see both sides there.
I agree they asked at the incorrect time and probably worded it in a manner that is not "professional", but the route cause of it is really down to that. Most recent studies and surveys have shown that salary actually comes down 3rd or even 4th of "priorities" for graduates. Where as development and progression came top and work/life balance a close second.
It is one of the reasons (in my view) my previous company struggled to recruit graduates (and equally keep the ones they had) as senior management (baby boomers and generation x) failed to really "grasp" the nettle thinking they were money motivated like them and cut training and development.They lost a number of good graduate talent by not really ultimately understanding what was the driving force behind them working for the company.
In regards to timings I would expect some to turn up on time or call in advance if there was going to be issues so I can see both sides there.
OMITN said:
Thankfully I’ve never employed Boomers. Which is great as a bigger bunch of snowflakes (to use the modern parlance) I’ve never seen - talk about entitled..!
I’ve got a couple of Boomers on my team along with a load GenX & Millenials. The whole team is very strong, the 2 Boomers are no exception. Good work ethic, great tech skills within their respective areas of InfoSec. 
t. There are hard working and lazy people in all generations. What differs is what motivates people and even that has overlaps. It’s not all about money for people these days gazapc said:
ambuletz said:
In my early 20s (not long ago). I turned up 45min late for a job and was very suprised I still go it. I did however call them up well over an hour in advance of the interview time telling them that I had missed my train and i potentially might be as much as an hour late, called them up again once I was out the other end and walking up so they knew how long I'd be.
They didn't seemed to mind and appriciated that I kept open communication with them and give them updates.
I'm technically a millennial and both jobs I have had I was late for the interview. 1. Horrendous unforecasted storm caused road flooding etc.. 2. Second time all trains out of Paddington cancelled for 2 hours.They didn't seemed to mind and appriciated that I kept open communication with them and give them updates.
Didn't seem to bother them when I rang up to tell them. Not sure I would want to work for a company that would get worked up over essentially force majeure events delaying me. Of course completely different matter if you don't let them know ASAP.
- booked out 1 or more rooms
- at least 2 managers will have cleared their diaries
- there will be somebody from Admin to do the meet/greet/co-ordinate.
It can take a lot of organising. So if you’re seeing 7/8 candidates, out of which 2 or 3 are appointable, you’re not going to bother rescheduling for that ONE person who couldn’t make it, regardless of the reason why.
OTOH if it’s a fairly niche role and you’re looking for a specific skillset then the company is likely to be much more flexible.
its a shameful way of treating a prospective employer in my books, being offered a chance to interview is a privilege. well thats my opinion. you thank the employer for being offered an opportunity , turn up suited and booted regardless of position and do your best. also you turn up early and happily wait to be seen. well thats my thinking. i am going from self employed to looking for a steady position , lots of customer service and office exp. i.t. literate but now 50 years old but more than happy to learn new skills. your not near leeds are you ? I do think the thing about applying just to keep on benefits is a big thing nowadays and there should be a way of reporting this to the powers that be. its a waste of everyone's time.
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