Call out payments ?
Discussion
Sheepshanks said:
SamR380 said:
Unless she's on an inflated salary to take account of it (up a band?) she should get on to her union.
That's another odd thing (at least, to me as an outsider) - she's in the same band as people she's supervising. Some of them are higher in the band than she is, so are earning more.She wouldn't go to the union. I think her managers are just taking the mick, as she's pretty restricted on what she can do when on call as she can't deal with stuff when in a public place.
You are basically told you can't go out in Public, but you are not paid anything for it?
I would absolutely NOT be doing that.
It's not something that I've heard before, is that something specific to her trust? I really can't imagine that's a normal NHS thing.
I would be telling her to take a hard pass on that - They're not going to fire her for not doing it, with the state of nurses, also imagine the story going to the press.......................The Union will also not be pleased...
J4CKO said:
I made a polite inquiry regarding this today and there is a meeting about the situation tomorrow so apparently it should be resolved then.
Depending on which bank you and your company are with, you should see a pending payment on your online statement today, and an actual payment tomorrow, if the situation really was resolved today.Anything less is disgraceful in my opinion and would see me not being on call until the situation is truly resolved.
xjay1337 said:
I'm sorry - is that what the NHS is like?
You are basically told you can't go out in Public, but you are not paid anything for it?
Sadly it works because it seems the kind of people who work in mid-level healthcare jobs are the kind of people who also won't stand up for their employment rights. A close family member of mine has a 30-hour contract, they actually work 40 or so (without TOIL or OT) and think that's fine! You are basically told you can't go out in Public, but you are not paid anything for it?
What a f
k around! I hope it gets sorted out soon. Are you on call every other week?
I've done on-call for 2 employers.
First was £125 retainer (went to £150 as we were getting a lot of calls) and then double time for each call out. If I got 2 calls in the same hour I was paid twice.
Currently I am on a £300 retainer, but not paid if I get called out. Usually get called out 0 - 3 times a week. I do on call around 1 in 10 at the moment.
k around! I hope it gets sorted out soon. Are you on call every other week?I've done on-call for 2 employers.
First was £125 retainer (went to £150 as we were getting a lot of calls) and then double time for each call out. If I got 2 calls in the same hour I was paid twice.
Currently I am on a £300 retainer, but not paid if I get called out. Usually get called out 0 - 3 times a week. I do on call around 1 in 10 at the moment.
Yeah, I'd stop as well, they're not fulfilling their end of the bargain so I don't see why you should.
I'm on a callout rota, about £4.60 an hour, then a minimum of 2 hours standard rate, and 2 hours overtime rate (1.5), even if the job is 5 minutes long, with reduced working the following day or none at all depending on how long the job lasts.
I'm on a callout rota, about £4.60 an hour, then a minimum of 2 hours standard rate, and 2 hours overtime rate (1.5), even if the job is 5 minutes long, with reduced working the following day or none at all depending on how long the job lasts.
As satisfying as some of these solutions would be to do, the OP has agreed to the rota and is clearly going to honour the commitment. I would be going to see line manager / HR before everyone clears off for Xmas and saying that after this on-call period that no further on-call work can be done until the owed money has been paid though.
You say you work at a large company, do they have a union?, not always been a fan of them but they often have contacts in the right places that can help move things like this along even if you are not a member.
If not I would be emailing my line manager/team manager in the new year asking them for a guarantee that it will be sorted by the end of January otherwise you won't be prepared to participate in the rota until you have had what you are owed paid and have evidence that you will be paid the money monthly.
If not I would be emailing my line manager/team manager in the new year asking them for a guarantee that it will be sorted by the end of January otherwise you won't be prepared to participate in the rota until you have had what you are owed paid and have evidence that you will be paid the money monthly.
BrabusMog said:
As satisfying as some of these solutions would be to do, the OP has agreed to the rota and is clearly going to honour the commitment. I would be going to see line manager / HR before everyone clears off for Xmas and saying that after this on-call period that no further on-call work can be done until the owed money has been paid though.
Absolute mugHe has not been paid for the previous few months of on-call work!
xjay1337 said:
BrabusMog said:
As satisfying as some of these solutions would be to do, the OP has agreed to the rota and is clearly going to honour the commitment. I would be going to see line manager / HR before everyone clears off for Xmas and saying that after this on-call period that no further on-call work can be done until the owed money has been paid though.
Absolute mugHe has not been paid for the previous few months of on-call work!
I've done the brinkmanship over expenses before and, whilst I got the desired result, I ended up in new employment within a few months. Gung-ho isn't always the best way, especially if you've done what the OP has and let it go on for quite a while.
BrabusMog said:
xjay1337 said:
BrabusMog said:
As satisfying as some of these solutions would be to do, the OP has agreed to the rota and is clearly going to honour the commitment. I would be going to see line manager / HR before everyone clears off for Xmas and saying that after this on-call period that no further on-call work can be done until the owed money has been paid though.
Absolute mugHe has not been paid for the previous few months of on-call work!
I've done the brinkmanship over expenses before and, whilst I got the desired result, I ended up in new employment within a few months. Gung-ho isn't always the best way, especially if you've done what the OP has and let it go on for quite a while.
OP has been plenty patient enough. He has raised this issue many times. Over the last 3 months or more?
It is completely inexcusable for a company to expect employees to do on-call work, that is contractually paid for, for free.
It is a VERY simple process to arrange pay-roll to cover the costs. They are not doing it sooner because OP is still working for free - so there is no incentive to pay him.
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xjay1337 said:
BrabusMog said:
xjay1337 said:
BrabusMog said:
As satisfying as some of these solutions would be to do, the OP has agreed to the rota and is clearly going to honour the commitment. I would be going to see line manager / HR before everyone clears off for Xmas and saying that after this on-call period that no further on-call work can be done until the owed money has been paid though.
Absolute mugHe has not been paid for the previous few months of on-call work!
I've done the brinkmanship over expenses before and, whilst I got the desired result, I ended up in new employment within a few months. Gung-ho isn't always the best way, especially if you've done what the OP has and let it go on for quite a while.
OP has been plenty patient enough. He has raised this issue many times. Over the last 3 months or more?
It is completely inexcusable for a company to expect employees to do on-call work, that is contractually paid for, for free.
It is a VERY simple process to arrange pay-roll to cover the costs. They are not doing it sooner because OP is still working for free - so there is no incentive to pay him.
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I was saying that your suggestion he continues to work for free would make him a mug...
I've worked at several companies and never have had this issue , either myself or someone else*.
If some overtime was missed by payroll it has always been paid within 48 hours by direct bank transfer. Without question.
They are not going to rush to pay him because he has not made it a priority for his company. Because they are getting his time for free.
Most of us work 40+ hour weeks for a fair wage. Not to do that and then be restricted in what little free time we have without any financial come back.
If my suggestion was a first port of call then you could call it childish. Fair enough.
But importantly, it is not. This is a last resort type.
Edit
I've worked at several companies and never have had this issue , either myself or someone else*.
If some overtime was missed by payroll it has always been paid within 48 hours by direct bank transfer. Without question.
They are not going to rush to pay him because he has not made it a priority for his company. Because they are getting his time for free.
Most of us work 40+ hour weeks for a fair wage. Not to do that and then be restricted in what little free time we have without any financial come back.
If my suggestion was a first port of call then you could call it childish. Fair enough.
But importantly, it is not. This is a last resort type.
Edit
- i put myself twice. When i meant myself or someone else I work with.
Edited by xjay1337 on Saturday 21st December 14:59
More importantly long term, this speaks volumes for the culture of the company. It would be a very good idea for the OP to start looking around, however comfortable he may find his current environment there is clearly a problem in the management and it is a case of they start being awkward over paying for on-call then they will start not paying for other things.
xjay1337 said:
I was saying that your suggestion he continues to work for free would make him a mug...
I've worked at several companies and never have had this issue , either myself or personally.
If some overtime was missed by payroll it has always been paid within 48 hours by direct bank transfer. Without question.
They are not going to rush to pay him because he has not made it a priority for his company. Because they are getting his time for free.
Most of us work 40+ hour weeks for a fair wage. Not to do that and then be restricted in what little free time we have without any financial come back.
If my suggestion was a first port of call then you could call it childish. Fair enough.
But importantly, it is not. This is a last resort type.
A rare post. One full of commonsense and logic.I've worked at several companies and never have had this issue , either myself or personally.
If some overtime was missed by payroll it has always been paid within 48 hours by direct bank transfer. Without question.
They are not going to rush to pay him because he has not made it a priority for his company. Because they are getting his time for free.
Most of us work 40+ hour weeks for a fair wage. Not to do that and then be restricted in what little free time we have without any financial come back.
If my suggestion was a first port of call then you could call it childish. Fair enough.
But importantly, it is not. This is a last resort type.
This is the exact action J4cko should take.
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