Call out payments ?
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I think that the OP would be well within his rights to inform them that until the money is paid he is no longer willing to be on call starting from now!
They then will have to find someone else to cover Xmas and NewYear or cough up.
I don’t think this is playing hardball or unreasonable due to the length of time they have had to resolve this.
They then will have to find someone else to cover Xmas and NewYear or cough up.
I don’t think this is playing hardball or unreasonable due to the length of time they have had to resolve this.
I have the name of the HR person now, they have a reputation for being a little difficult about such matters, but they are at the same site as I am so I will go in the office Monday and have a polite word. My predecessor ended up waiting nine months for his payment, he covered it (and got paid) whilst working in the same department, then covered when he moved to another division, thats what took nine months, so they have previous.
I dont want to do anything that would jeopradise the cover for the system in question or leave the other chap in the rota having to cover it. I take this seriously.
I am generally fairly chilled about it, I have had moments where its really annoyed me and been prepared to tell them to stick it, and possibly hand my notice in but that would be daft, I just keep that for at home, have a rant then move on. I get offers of DBA work once or twice a week so would be fairly easy to move on but having done it recently (got made redundant) I dont fancy doing that again, not yet anyway.
I am nobodys fool, I can wait and the longer it rattles on, the more money I am accruing, I will be paid for this and I want to keep it going, I do ok but have a few outgoings that cease middle of next year, so will be quids in, this will be the icing on the cake, even after tax its a nice chunk on top.
Christmas is hoving in to view, doubt anything will get sorted now so will just enjoy my time off.
Dont get me wrong, I am not a soft arse, I am quite capable of playing hardball, just not got there yet, almost partly just bemused that they are fannying about so long, its very easy to work yourself into a frenzy about something and then totally overshoot the level of aggression required.
I dont want to do anything that would jeopradise the cover for the system in question or leave the other chap in the rota having to cover it. I take this seriously.
I am generally fairly chilled about it, I have had moments where its really annoyed me and been prepared to tell them to stick it, and possibly hand my notice in but that would be daft, I just keep that for at home, have a rant then move on. I get offers of DBA work once or twice a week so would be fairly easy to move on but having done it recently (got made redundant) I dont fancy doing that again, not yet anyway.
I am nobodys fool, I can wait and the longer it rattles on, the more money I am accruing, I will be paid for this and I want to keep it going, I do ok but have a few outgoings that cease middle of next year, so will be quids in, this will be the icing on the cake, even after tax its a nice chunk on top.
Christmas is hoving in to view, doubt anything will get sorted now so will just enjoy my time off.
Dont get me wrong, I am not a soft arse, I am quite capable of playing hardball, just not got there yet, almost partly just bemused that they are fannying about so long, its very easy to work yourself into a frenzy about something and then totally overshoot the level of aggression required.
That always 'helps' having a HR or payroll awkward bod 
Reading some of your replies I think some of the background is probably the interdepartmental snafu's - probably someone trying to work out how to transfer payments between different cost centres, which should be easy but sometimes people manage to make it difficult.
The department that needs the on-call presumably has budgeted for it, which should then be available to whoever covers it, regardless of department and number in the on call team.
Have a good Christmas (without too many calls! - unless that is potentially more profitable; then send them the enhanced claim/bill!)
Reading some of your replies I think some of the background is probably the interdepartmental snafu's - probably someone trying to work out how to transfer payments between different cost centres, which should be easy but sometimes people manage to make it difficult.
The department that needs the on-call presumably has budgeted for it, which should then be available to whoever covers it, regardless of department and number in the on call team.
Have a good Christmas (without too many calls! - unless that is potentially more profitable; then send them the enhanced claim/bill!)
llewop said:
That always 'helps' having a HR or payroll awkward bod
Reading some of your replies I think some of the background is probably the interdepartmental snafu's - probably someone trying to work out how to transfer payments between different cost centres, which should be easy but sometimes people manage to make it difficult.
The department that needs the on-call presumably has budgeted for it, which should then be available to whoever covers it, regardless of department and number in the on call team.
Have a good Christmas (without too many calls! - unless that is potentially more profitable; then send them the enhanced claim/bill!)
Or the issue might be that they haven't budgeted for it in this financial year and are playing "ping pong" as to who picks up the cost...Reading some of your replies I think some of the background is probably the interdepartmental snafu's - probably someone trying to work out how to transfer payments between different cost centres, which should be easy but sometimes people manage to make it difficult.
The department that needs the on-call presumably has budgeted for it, which should then be available to whoever covers it, regardless of department and number in the on call team.
Have a good Christmas (without too many calls! - unless that is potentially more profitable; then send them the enhanced claim/bill!)
J4CKO said:
I dont want to do anything that would jeopradise the cover for the system in question or leave the other chap in the rota having to cover it. I take this seriously.
I am generally fairly chilled about it, I have had moments where its really annoyed me and been prepared to tell them to stick it, and possibly hand my notice in but that would be daft, I just keep that for at home, have a rant then move on. I get offers of DBA work once or twice a week so would be fairly easy to move on but having done it recently (got made redundant) I dont fancy doing that again, not yet anyway.
I am nobodys fool, I can wait and the longer it rattles on, the more money I am accruing, I will be paid for this and I want to keep it going, I do ok but have a few outgoings that cease middle of next year, so will be quids in, this will be the icing on the cake, even after tax its a nice chunk on top.
Christmas is hoving in to view, doubt anything will get sorted now so will just enjoy my time off.
Dont get me wrong, I am not a soft arse, I am quite capable of playing hardball, just not got there yet, almost partly just bemused that they are fannying about so long, its very easy to work yourself into a frenzy about something and then totally overshoot the level of aggression required.
You are a soft arse.I am generally fairly chilled about it, I have had moments where its really annoyed me and been prepared to tell them to stick it, and possibly hand my notice in but that would be daft, I just keep that for at home, have a rant then move on. I get offers of DBA work once or twice a week so would be fairly easy to move on but having done it recently (got made redundant) I dont fancy doing that again, not yet anyway.
I am nobodys fool, I can wait and the longer it rattles on, the more money I am accruing, I will be paid for this and I want to keep it going, I do ok but have a few outgoings that cease middle of next year, so will be quids in, this will be the icing on the cake, even after tax its a nice chunk on top.
Christmas is hoving in to view, doubt anything will get sorted now so will just enjoy my time off.
Dont get me wrong, I am not a soft arse, I am quite capable of playing hardball, just not got there yet, almost partly just bemused that they are fannying about so long, its very easy to work yourself into a frenzy about something and then totally overshoot the level of aggression required.
Sorry mate.
Imagine you're a builder and you put in a new patio for me.
Let's say the cost is £3000.
But then I'm not going to pay you for 6 months because my girlfriend can't be bothered to bank transfer you.
If you are a builder, please get in contact as I would like to take you up on those payment terms!
That is not acceptable by anyone's standards and exactly what is happening here.
The other chap on the rota is probably being paid!
For f
k sakes man you need to take a hard stance on this.The company is taking you for a mug and you are too kind-hearted to do the right thing by yourself.
It's not like this is the first occurance, and you mentioned it on Wednesday afternoon. This has been going on for months. I bet you if you refuse to do any on call from now then you will get payment within a week.
xjay1337 said:
You are a soft arse.
Sorry mate.
Imagine you're a builder and you put in a new patio for me.
Let's say the cost is £3000.
But then I'm not going to pay you for 6 months because my girlfriend can't be bothered to bank transfer you.
If you are a builder, please get in contact as I would like to take you up on those payment terms!
That is not acceptable by anyone's standards and exactly what is happening here.
The other chap on the rota is probably being paid!
For fk sakes man you need to take a hard stance on this.
The company is taking you for a mug and you are too kind-hearted to do the right thing by yourself.
It's not like this is the first occurance, and you mentioned it on Wednesday afternoon. This has been going on for months. I bet you if you refuse to do any on call from now then you will get payment within a week.
As I said a few posts back. No dough, no show!Sorry mate.
Imagine you're a builder and you put in a new patio for me.
Let's say the cost is £3000.
But then I'm not going to pay you for 6 months because my girlfriend can't be bothered to bank transfer you.
If you are a builder, please get in contact as I would like to take you up on those payment terms!
That is not acceptable by anyone's standards and exactly what is happening here.
The other chap on the rota is probably being paid!
For f
k sakes man you need to take a hard stance on this.The company is taking you for a mug and you are too kind-hearted to do the right thing by yourself.
It's not like this is the first occurance, and you mentioned it on Wednesday afternoon. This has been going on for months. I bet you if you refuse to do any on call from now then you will get payment within a week.
J4CKO said:
I have the name of the HR person now, they have a reputation for being a little difficult about such matters, but they are at the same site as I am so I will go in the office Monday and have a polite word. My predecessor ended up waiting nine months for his payment, he covered it (and got paid) whilst working in the same department, then covered when he moved to another division, thats what took nine months, so they have previous.
I dont want to do anything that would jeopradise the cover for the system in question or leave the other chap in the rota having to cover it. I take this seriously.
I am generally fairly chilled about it, I have had moments where its really annoyed me and been prepared to tell them to stick it, and possibly hand my notice in but that would be daft, I just keep that for at home, have a rant then move on. I get offers of DBA work once or twice a week so would be fairly easy to move on but having done it recently (got made redundant) I dont fancy doing that again, not yet anyway.
I am nobodys fool, I can wait and the longer it rattles on, the more money I am accruing, I will be paid for this and I want to keep it going, I do ok but have a few outgoings that cease middle of next year, so will be quids in, this will be the icing on the cake, even after tax its a nice chunk on top.
Christmas is hoving in to view, doubt anything will get sorted now so will just enjoy my time off.
Dont get me wrong, I am not a soft arse, I am quite capable of playing hardball, just not got there yet, almost partly just bemused that they are fannying about so long, its very easy to work yourself into a frenzy about something and then totally overshoot the level of aggression required.
sorry OP but either you tell them to pay you or find someone else to do that work while you consult legal advice or just wear a frock to that meeting!I dont want to do anything that would jeopradise the cover for the system in question or leave the other chap in the rota having to cover it. I take this seriously.
I am generally fairly chilled about it, I have had moments where its really annoyed me and been prepared to tell them to stick it, and possibly hand my notice in but that would be daft, I just keep that for at home, have a rant then move on. I get offers of DBA work once or twice a week so would be fairly easy to move on but having done it recently (got made redundant) I dont fancy doing that again, not yet anyway.
I am nobodys fool, I can wait and the longer it rattles on, the more money I am accruing, I will be paid for this and I want to keep it going, I do ok but have a few outgoings that cease middle of next year, so will be quids in, this will be the icing on the cake, even after tax its a nice chunk on top.
Christmas is hoving in to view, doubt anything will get sorted now so will just enjoy my time off.
Dont get me wrong, I am not a soft arse, I am quite capable of playing hardball, just not got there yet, almost partly just bemused that they are fannying about so long, its very easy to work yourself into a frenzy about something and then totally overshoot the level of aggression required.
There's only one language these f
kers understand and it isn't niceness, I've been part of ad-hoc down tools cos our pay was 2 hours late... Amazing how company payroll can make the 5-minutes-ago-impossible happen when a site foreman is screaming at them he has ten blokes wanting pay for last weeks work sorting before we think about today's urgent work progressing..xjay1337 said:
J4CKO said:
I dont want to do anything that would jeopradise the cover for the system in question or leave the other chap in the rota having to cover it. I take this seriously.
I am generally fairly chilled about it, I have had moments where its really annoyed me and been prepared to tell them to stick it, and possibly hand my notice in but that would be daft, I just keep that for at home, have a rant then move on. I get offers of DBA work once or twice a week so would be fairly easy to move on but having done it recently (got made redundant) I dont fancy doing that again, not yet anyway.
I am nobodys fool, I can wait and the longer it rattles on, the more money I am accruing, I will be paid for this and I want to keep it going, I do ok but have a few outgoings that cease middle of next year, so will be quids in, this will be the icing on the cake, even after tax its a nice chunk on top.
Christmas is hoving in to view, doubt anything will get sorted now so will just enjoy my time off.
Dont get me wrong, I am not a soft arse, I am quite capable of playing hardball, just not got there yet, almost partly just bemused that they are fannying about so long, its very easy to work yourself into a frenzy about something and then totally overshoot the level of aggression required.
You are a soft arse.I am generally fairly chilled about it, I have had moments where its really annoyed me and been prepared to tell them to stick it, and possibly hand my notice in but that would be daft, I just keep that for at home, have a rant then move on. I get offers of DBA work once or twice a week so would be fairly easy to move on but having done it recently (got made redundant) I dont fancy doing that again, not yet anyway.
I am nobodys fool, I can wait and the longer it rattles on, the more money I am accruing, I will be paid for this and I want to keep it going, I do ok but have a few outgoings that cease middle of next year, so will be quids in, this will be the icing on the cake, even after tax its a nice chunk on top.
Christmas is hoving in to view, doubt anything will get sorted now so will just enjoy my time off.
Dont get me wrong, I am not a soft arse, I am quite capable of playing hardball, just not got there yet, almost partly just bemused that they are fannying about so long, its very easy to work yourself into a frenzy about something and then totally overshoot the level of aggression required.
Sorry mate.
Imagine you're a builder and you put in a new patio for me.
Let's say the cost is £3000.
But then I'm not going to pay you for 6 months because my girlfriend can't be bothered to bank transfer you.
If you are a builder, please get in contact as I would like to take you up on those payment terms!
That is not acceptable by anyone's standards and exactly what is happening here.
The other chap on the rota is probably being paid!
For f
k sakes man you need to take a hard stance on this.The company is taking you for a mug and you are too kind-hearted to do the right thing by yourself.
It's not like this is the first occurance, and you mentioned it on Wednesday afternoon. This has been going on for months. I bet you if you refuse to do any on call from now then you will get payment within a week.
Its a trade off between getting paid and not screwing up the possibility of continued payments in the future, my normal salary gets paid on the dot.
It is annoying, especially if anyone does anything for me, they get paid straight away.
J4CKO said:
Will see what tomorrow brings when I arrive at the HR persons desk, I look menacing at the moment as I have a nice black eye as well, the dog nutted me, maybe I am a soft arse as I got battered by a small mongrel
Its a trade off between getting paid and not screwing up the possibility of continued payments in the future, my normal salary gets paid on the dot.
It is annoying, especially if anyone does anything for me, they get paid straight away.
It's not a balance because you are contractually bound to your salary.Its a trade off between getting paid and not screwing up the possibility of continued payments in the future, my normal salary gets paid on the dot.
It is annoying, especially if anyone does anything for me, they get paid straight away.
So it won't impact future payments.
There are loads of opportunities for good dba and Oracle/sql etc.
so worst case you find another job, likely with better pay and on call paid on time!
xjay1337 said:
SamR380 said:
I think you should be advising them, that you're off the rota until you're actually paid. CC as much senior management as you think is relevant. A simple, unemotional, plain-facts email.
Op won't do this!! Much to the frustration of us who want him to get paid.Really not thinking about moving jobs, that is a nuclear option, by and large it is pretty good here, work from home when I want, get left to it most of the time and get paid adequately for the rest of the job.
This issue isn't worth flouncing for
Will see if I get a reply by the end of today, its already like a ghost town, have come in as the missus and kid(s) are at home and its hard to work if someone is trying to play on the Xbox whilst you are working, or having a large and noisy debate about washing/bedroom/kitchen mess.
Just to add to this,
A 1:2 rota is a monumentally crap rotation. I wouldn't do that.
The attempt to get you to take the lower rate suggests they are a bunch of monumental tightarses. (see also, 1:2 rota)
Not paying the rota payments for 3+ months, yet you are still doing it, and apparently going to do New Year as well? I know it's cool to be an internet hardman and I don't mean to be, but that's you being a mug, that is.
As for the "accruing lots of money" - it's already your money, it was your money months ago, they're not paying you!
If it was me, I would have refused to continue on the rota long ago. It's not a priority for them to fix, because you're doing it anyway. Budget transfers and such are quite simply Not Your Problem. There's a phrase I use at work for these sorts of situations,
Let It Fail.
It'll only be fixed when it fails. Right now it hasn't failed, so there is no urgency for it to be fixed.
A 1:2 rota is a monumentally crap rotation. I wouldn't do that.
The attempt to get you to take the lower rate suggests they are a bunch of monumental tightarses. (see also, 1:2 rota)
Not paying the rota payments for 3+ months, yet you are still doing it, and apparently going to do New Year as well? I know it's cool to be an internet hardman and I don't mean to be, but that's you being a mug, that is.
As for the "accruing lots of money" - it's already your money, it was your money months ago, they're not paying you!
If it was me, I would have refused to continue on the rota long ago. It's not a priority for them to fix, because you're doing it anyway. Budget transfers and such are quite simply Not Your Problem. There's a phrase I use at work for these sorts of situations,
Let It Fail.
It'll only be fixed when it fails. Right now it hasn't failed, so there is no urgency for it to be fixed.
J4CKO said:
xjay1337 said:
SamR380 said:
I think you should be advising them, that you're off the rota until you're actually paid. CC as much senior management as you think is relevant. A simple, unemotional, plain-facts email.
Op won't do this!! Much to the frustration of us who want him to get paid.Really not thinking about moving jobs, that is a nuclear option, by and large it is pretty good here, work from home when I want, get left to it most of the time and get paid adequately for the rest of the job.
This issue isn't worth flouncing for
Will see if I get a reply by the end of today, its already like a ghost town, have come in as the missus and kid(s) are at home and its hard to work if someone is trying to play on the Xbox whilst you are working, or having a large and noisy debate about washing/bedroom/kitchen mess.
Have a good Xmas but seriously sort your work-life out! Stand up for yourself.
Edited by xjay1337 on Tuesday 24th December 12:53
xjay1337 said:
SO TELL THEM YOU ARE NOT WORKING OVER CHRISTMAS OR NEW YEAR DUE TO NO PAYMENT
Have a good Xmas but seriously sort your work-life out! Stand up for yourself.
That might have been worth doing at the start of Dec. The issue now would be the impact on the other on-call person.Have a good Xmas but seriously sort your work-life out! Stand up for yourself.
Technically it might be the right thing to do, but it may sour team relations to do it so very late in the game. Plus at a practical level there probably aren't enough people left around to authorise or make a payment.
vaud said:
xjay1337 said:
SO TELL THEM YOU ARE NOT WORKING OVER CHRISTMAS OR NEW YEAR DUE TO NO PAYMENT
Have a good Xmas but seriously sort your work-life out! Stand up for yourself.
That might have been worth doing at the start of Dec. The issue now would be the impact on the other on-call person.Have a good Xmas but seriously sort your work-life out! Stand up for yourself.
Technically it might be the right thing to do, but it may sour team relations to do it so very late in the game. Plus at a practical level there probably aren't enough people left around to authorise or make a payment.
t!Well no, the fact is the firm are in a hole regardless. A one in two rota means that as soon as they lose a single person the system is no longer supported.
New Year and Christmas may be a handy bargaining chip but there is more gain to be had from going straight to the top and bypassing every other layer of management - at the point where the top dog is in (which won’t be now)
A simple - “your system is no longer supported, I suggest you tell your customers” will suffice.
New Year and Christmas may be a handy bargaining chip but there is more gain to be had from going straight to the top and bypassing every other layer of management - at the point where the top dog is in (which won’t be now)
A simple - “your system is no longer supported, I suggest you tell your customers” will suffice.
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