Contractors: IR35 & general discussion

[Olivera]

wormus said:

I think everyone should be more concerned by 3x level of unemployment from just 4 months ago. The world has moved on from IR35.

The looming unemployment caused by Covid-19 is very much a primary issue, but I fully beleive that the injustice of IR35 will continue to be challenged in the medium-long term

[zippy3x]

wormus said:

I think everyone should be more concerned by 3x level of unemployment from just 4 months ago. The world has moved on from IR35.

Why, because it affects you?

[anonymous-user]

zippy3x said:

Why, because it affects you?

Not necessarily but it’ll affect a lot of people. No point complaining about inside or outside if you cannot any sort of contract at all. Aerospace, retail and leisure are not in a good place sadly.

[zippy3x]

wormus said:

zippy3x said:

Why, because it affects you?

Not necessarily but it’ll affect a lot of people. No point complaining about inside or outside if you cannot any sort of contract at all. Aerospace, retail and leisure are not in a good place sadly.

I must have missed the law where we can only complain about one thing. The rest of the world can worry about losing their jobs, cars, houses etc. Contractors get to worry about that, and the fact that even if they find a contract, they may need to worry about those things

[anonymous-user]

zippy3x said:

I must have missed the law where we can only complain about one thing. The rest of the world can worry about losing their jobs, cars, houses etc. Contractors get to worry about that, and the fact that even if they find a contract, they may need to worry about those things

Up to you what you want to worry about.

[aeropilot]

wormus said:

zippy3x said:

Why, because it affects you?

Not necessarily but it’ll affect a lot of people. No point complaining about inside or outside if you cannot any sort of contract at all. Aerospace, retail and leisure are not in a good place sadly.

Tell me about it.....

I'm not convinced I'll ever return to the job I've done for 40 years........too old now to get a staff job, and contract is dead between now and next April anyway, and very much dead after that.

[Allanv]

After 20 odd years contracting it might be dead due to the current climate, so have reactivated my previous career as a C+E or Class 1 driver.

Well I do have to do the driver CPC for now but DVLA have extended my licence that expired 2 years ago.

Pain in the arris as I loved my contracting work but as most will be out of work the roads might be quiet.

20 years since I last drove a HGV but it might be fun for a short while until the world resets.

Edited by Allanv on Friday 3rd July 21:33

[Pit Pony]

zippy3x said:

wormus said:

I think everyone should be more concerned by 3x level of unemployment from just 4 months ago. The world has moved on from IR35.

Why, because it affects you?

To be fair, it affects any one that's permie or Contract, inside or outside IR35.

There are going to be 1000s chasing one job or Contract.

I've got a contract lined up for the end of the year now. But I'm convinced they'll flip it, so it's inside IR35 in March so if I'm lucky I'll get or maybe 5 months outside. At that point, there might be just enough to pay the bounce back loan and put the ltd company into hibernation. Depends if the start date is October or December.

[AndrewO]

If you are outside and then flip to inside April'21 and doing the same job at the same client HMRC are going to chase you for back tax. They will assume you were inside all along.

The advice is to leave April'21 if forced to work inside or keep it outside.

[Gazzab]

AndrewO said:

If you are outside and then flip to inside April'21 and doing the same job at the same client HMRC are going to chase you for back tax. They will assume you were inside all along.

The advice is to leave April'21 if forced to work inside or keep it outside.

This was done to death last time around.

[Pit Pony]

AndrewO said:

If you are outside and then flip to inside April'21 and doing the same job at the same client HMRC are going to chase you for back tax. They will assume you were inside all along.

The advice is to leave April'21 if forced to work inside or keep it outside.

Let's hope that the economy bounces back by then.

[Bluedot]

Gazzab said:

AndrewO said:

If you are outside and then flip to inside April'21 and doing the same job at the same client HMRC are going to chase you for back tax. They will assume you were inside all along.

The advice is to leave April'21 if forced to work inside or keep it outside.

This was done to death last time around.

Agreed but what will be interesting is the rhetoric that HMRC would 'turn a blind eye' for those going Inside after declaring themselves Outside when this was all supposed to come in in April 20 (obviously whether you believed it or not was another matter).
It'll be interesting to see if that rhetoric continues early next year or whether they look on the postponed year as a chance for end clients & contractors to get themselves in order and it's then game on from April 21.

[aeropilot]

Bluedot said:

It'll be interesting to see if that rhetoric continues early next year or whether they look on the postponed year as a chance for end clients & contractors to get themselves in order and it's then game on from April 21.

A normal year for that to happen was OK.....but it won't be a normal year, and IR35 will be the last thing on many firms mind during this time........surviving in business will be their priority for many of them, not using this 12 months preparing for IR35!

There's likely to be bugger all contractors around anyway next spring in many industry's.

[rustyuk]

I've been contracting for the last 7 years and have never seen the market contract so quickly. I'm not sure there will be many outside gigs come April 2021.

Thankfully it seems that the perm market has picked up and I've got a couple of offers and others in the wings. Though I really wished I had started contracting 10 years earlier as I would be semi-retiring now.

[Bluedot]

aeropilot said:

Bluedot said:

It'll be interesting to see if that rhetoric continues early next year or whether they look on the postponed year as a chance for end clients & contractors to get themselves in order and it's then game on from April 21.

A normal year for that to happen was OK.....but it won't be a normal year, and IR35 will be the last thing on many firms mind during this time........surviving in business will be their priority for many of them, not using this 12 months preparing for IR35!

There's likely to be bugger all contractors around anyway next spring in many industry's.

Yeah, fair point.
However, there'll still be 000's of contractors working next March in various industries and as you say although Off-Payroll hasn't been number one priority for end clients it's still happening, whether HMRC will go easy (or claim they will go easy) on clients and contractors due to the postponed year is the question I'm asking.

[Gecko1978]

Its funny the chancellor is about to announce measures to help people into work, yet your average person is unaware that inside ir35 which affects upto 5m people has stripped people of all employment rights and often cut income by 50% and prevented them getting any help with furlough.

Lol you have to laugh at how a tory government is fking is core voters.

[aeropilot]

Gecko1978 said:

Its funny the chancellor is about to announce measures to help people into work, yet your average person is unaware that inside ir35 which affects upto 5m people has stripped people of all employment rights and often cut income by 50% and prevented them getting any help with furlough.

As well as IR35 pushing many of the firms I used to work for into now off-shoring a lot of their work to India and the Far East, so I'll be interested to see how the numpty proposes to get that work back then.

This is what happens when you let the idiots run the asylums.

[Blown2CV]

well considering the chancellor's father in law founded infosys he may well be OK with offshoring, privately.

[Bluedot]

I don't profess to know the intricacies of how voting works for MPs but some of the stories you read on LinkedIn about MPs promising contractors in their constituency that yes they would fully support the amendment (just a few hours before the vote) only to be 'whipped' and told how to vote by further up the chain.
Dave Chaplin says he thought they had enough backing based on what he'd been told by MPs, nowhere near enough in the end.
Democracy at it's finest

[anonymous-user]

Gecko1978 said:

Its funny the chancellor is about to announce measures to help people into work, yet your average person is unaware that inside ir35 which affects upto 5m people has stripped people of all employment rights and often cut income by 50% and prevented them getting any help with furlough.

Lol you have to laugh at how a tory government is fking is core voters.

With up to 4m people out of work, 5m claiming benefit, youth unemployment at an all time high, the focus is keeping people out of poverty (including contractors) and kick starting the economy. In the grand scheme of things, nobody gives a stuff if contractor day rates have been hit.