Contractors: IR35 & general discussion

[768]

markyb_lcy said:

768 said:

markyb_lcy said:

SMG Eddie said:

IR35 finished that option off.

Incorrect, did you read the whole of my post?

Is it? Maybe the role he had previously isn't there anymore?

And maybe he's broken all 4 major limbs in an accident and therefore can't work at all?

Or, maybe we should just stick to what the OP *has* told us and base opinions on that rather than making up hypotheticals to explain what is on the face of it a poor decision?

You're the one that told him he was incorrect.

Oh look, I was right.

[markyb_lcy]

768 said:

markyb_lcy said:

768 said:

markyb_lcy said:

SMG Eddie said:

IR35 finished that option off.

Incorrect, did you read the whole of my post?

Is it? Maybe the role he had previously isn't there anymore?

And maybe he's broken all 4 major limbs in an accident and therefore can't work at all?

Or, maybe we should just stick to what the OP *has* told us and base opinions on that rather than making up hypotheticals to explain what is on the face of it a poor decision?

You're the one that told him he was incorrect.

Oh look, I was right.

You took a punt, in hindsight now the OP has furnished us with more information, you were "right" however the OPs logic, reasoning and recounting to us is still all over the shop.

[aeropilot]

SMG Eddie said:

markyb_lcy said:

Incorrect, did you read the whole of my post?

If you're saying PAYE rates are 30-35k then £250 a day is equivalent to a ~£44k salary, which is £15k more than the UK average and considerably more than benefits.

There are no contracts available.

I know that feeling.

And benefits will likely sadly be where I end up as well, at my age.
Can't even get a job stacking shelves at the moment.

[n3il123]

SMG Eddie said:

There are no contracts available.

This is a big problem for me too. I finished in December, was getting the occasional calls before March but as soon as CV19 kicked in it went dead.

I almost resorted to phoning my own phone to make sure that it hasn't been cut off.

[Gazzab]

Last year was terrible for me. Didn’t work from July until March this year. Much of the time was wasted with a protracted onboarding to current role. IR35, brexit and the election just killed my market place. I am finishing up with current client next month. Have a few leads for work. Seems busier for me this year than last year. So fingers crossed.

[Deep Thought]

aeropilot said:

I know that feeling.

And benefits will likely sadly be where I end up as well, at my age.
Can't even get a job stacking shelves at the moment.

Might be worth checking out call centre work. Most offering WFH now, not difficult work, aim for inbound customer service work rather than outbound sales if you want an easy life.

Wont pay a fortune but will keep you ticking over. Often not ridiculously difficult to get work "off the phones" once you've been there a while.

[SMG Eddie]

aeropilot said:

benefits will likely sadly be where I end up as well, at my age.
Can't even get a job stacking shelves at the moment.

The gov owe you a living so get claiming. You'd be working otherwise.

https://www.gov.uk/apply-universal-credit

[anonymous-user]

SMG Eddie said:

The gov owe you a living so get claiming. You'd be working otherwise.

https://www.gov.uk/apply-universal-credit

Going onto benefits is no longer a lifestyle choice. If you claim, and you should if you are eligible, you will be required to spend 35 hours a week searching for work, otherwise your UC will be frozen.

If you can it normally pays more to be in any type of work than claiming benefit as it’s designed as a safety net, not as an alternative to work.

One business that’s booming near me is warehousing and distribution, due to online shopping. Try places like DPD as they are always hiring.

[aeropilot]

wormus said:

One business that’s booming near me is warehousing and distribution, due to online shopping. Try places like DPD as they are always hiring.

I actually live right next door to a huge industrial estate full of warehousing and distrubution centre's......walking distance to any of them......

Not a sniff of a job anywhere in any of them for past 3 months.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

It's always been my assumption that, as a Shroedinger's Employee, I am still employed by my company even when I'm not getting any work through it, and hence ineligible for benefits. So I've never tried to claim them.

[aeropilot]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

It's always been my assumption that, as a Shroedinger's Employee, I am still employed by my company even when I'm not getting any work through it, and hence ineligible for benefits. So I've never tried to claim them.

Likewise.

I'll be forced to shut it down soon enough though, so after that........

[Deep Thought]

aeropilot said:

Clockwork Cupcake said:

It's always been my assumption that, as a Shroedinger's Employee, I am still employed by my company even when I'm not getting any work through it, and hence ineligible for benefits. So I've never tried to claim them.

Likewise.

I'll be forced to shut it down soon enough though, so after that........

If you're an employee of your own limited co, if you're not taking a PAYE wage (and not working) you can claim benefits.

[CzechItOut]

How do people structure their LinkedIn profile? Do you list each client and role with specific dates or do you put everything under Founder/MD of Whatever Limited and then say role x at global FMCG, role y at High Street retailer and so on?

[Gazzab]

My pet hate is IT contractors having their job title as ‘Managing Director at My Co Ltd’ yet they work for ftse 100’s as a project manager. I have my company listed with my job title in a doing sense and I list my roles at clients. It’s what people need to see.

[Deep Thought]

CzechItOut said:

How do people structure their LinkedIn profile? Do you list each client and role with specific dates or do you put everything under Founder/MD of Whatever Limited and then say role x at global FMCG, role y at High Street retailer and so on?

I have my typical job role / expertise as my general job title, then i list out who i've been with previously. I tend to be with an organisation for 6 months to 2 years, but if it was very short term engagements i'd probably do a summary.

[markyb_lcy]

Gazzab said:

My pet hate is IT contractors having their job title as ‘Managing Director at My Co Ltd’ yet they work for ftse 100’s as a project manager. I have my company listed with my job title in a doing sense and I list my roles at clients. It’s what people need to see.

I've found if I do what you do, that I get far too many approaches for permie roles, that I'd rather not have cluttering up my inbox. If your main role is "Director", this seems to put most (but not all) of them off.

[Gazzab]

markyb_lcy said:

Gazzab said:

My pet hate is IT contractors having their job title as ‘Managing Director at My Co Ltd’ yet they work for ftse 100’s as a project manager. I have my company listed with my job title in a doing sense and I list my roles at clients. It’s what people need to see.

I've found if I do what you do, that I get far too many approaches for permie roles, that I'd rather not have cluttering up my inbox. If your main role is "Director", this seems to put most (but not all) of them off.

I guess it depends what role you do. In my work it’s all about who I have worked for and the role I have carried out for each client.

[Gad-Westy]

CzechItOut said:

How do people structure their LinkedIn profile? Do you list each client and role with specific dates or do you put everything under Founder/MD of Whatever Limited and then say role x at global FMCG, role y at High Street retailer and so on?

Probably ought to knock mine into better shape. It currently lists my current employer as my own business and within that I summarise many of the projects that I've worked on. I refrain from calling myself a director. It might be technically true but just sounds a little desperate in context of one man bands IMO. I suspect it would be better to do a list of previous contracts but the disadvantage for me in doing that is that I do a lot of freelance work as well and I want people to see that as soon as they find me on linkedin. Interested to see how others handle this.

The other perennial internal debate I have is whether my website should refer to 'we do this' or 'I do this'. I'm a one man band although my wife looks after a lot of the admin side of things. I cringe a little when I read websites that say 'we do this, we do that' when you know full well that they're an I not a we. And yet, in creating my own site, I've done exactly that because it doesn't seem to read well at all with 'I can do this'. But it would be nice to find a happy medium that sounds right without seemingly trying to fool people into thinking you're something that you're not.

[bigandclever]

Gad-Westy said:

The other perennial internal debate I have is whether my website should refer to 'we do this' or 'I do this'. I'm a one man band although my wife looks after a lot of the admin side of things. I cringe a little when I read websites that say 'we do this, we do that' when you know full well that they're an I not a we. And yet, in creating my own site, I've done exactly that because it doesn't seem to read well at all with 'I can do this'. But it would be nice to find a happy medium that sounds right without seemingly trying to fool people into thinking you're something that you're not.

I use ‘we’ and ‘MyCo’ because I’ve subbed people in in the past and can in the future.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Gad-Westy said:

The other perennial internal debate I have is whether my website should refer to 'we do this' or 'I do this'. I'm a one man band although my wife looks after a lot of the admin side of things. I cringe a little when I read websites that say 'we do this, we do that' when you know full well that they're an I not a we. And yet, in creating my own site, I've done exactly that because it doesn't seem to read well at all with 'I can do this'. But it would be nice to find a happy medium that sounds right without seemingly trying to fool people into thinking you're something that you're not.

From an IR35 perspective, 'me' and 'I' rather says "personal service" and therefore something to be avoided especially, as bigandclever says, you ought to have Right of Substitution and should not be giving an expectation of personal service to a potential client.

I mean, yes I totally get your aversion to it but it is a dance we have to dance.