Dismissing Someone while Sick
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CubanPete said:
They have been signed off for a month now with stress. Which is unlikely to have come from work as they haven't been there!
Don't underestimate the ability of a moron to persuade someone that the stress has arisen from being contacted about their return to work.You need to get proper, insured advice. Given the detail here it should be around an hour's work to have them on their notice period.
Going through something similar here at work with, surprise surprise, a young lady (she's 21).
She had been with us 3 months and then was signed off with stress for a month, came back, still didn't listen to how to do the job properly, still cocked up with things and didn't address customers properly.
It came to a head where she was continually whinging about the job a couple of weeks ago, her immediate colleague had, had enough of hearing about it and told her that if she didn't like it then she could leave, she went to speak to her immediate manger who was on an important personal call, so she asked for her to wait, she didn't and promptly walked out.
She spent the next few days ignoring, texts, e-mails and calls from her manager, obviously wanting to know what was happening and the next thing we hear she has been signed off again with stress and anxiety and she has raised a grievance with a meeting to be held with her, her manager and HR next month!
She had been with us 3 months and then was signed off with stress for a month, came back, still didn't listen to how to do the job properly, still cocked up with things and didn't address customers properly.
It came to a head where she was continually whinging about the job a couple of weeks ago, her immediate colleague had, had enough of hearing about it and told her that if she didn't like it then she could leave, she went to speak to her immediate manger who was on an important personal call, so she asked for her to wait, she didn't and promptly walked out.
She spent the next few days ignoring, texts, e-mails and calls from her manager, obviously wanting to know what was happening and the next thing we hear she has been signed off again with stress and anxiety and she has raised a grievance with a meeting to be held with her, her manager and HR next month!
HTP99 said:
Going through something similar here at work with, surprise surprise, a young lady (she's 21).
She had been with us 3 months and then was signed off with stress for a month, came back, still didn't listen to how to do the job properly, still cocked up with things and didn't address customers properly.
It came to a head where she was continually whinging about the job a couple of weeks ago, her immediate colleague had, had enough of hearing about it and told her that if she didn't like it then she could leave, she went to speak to her immediate manger who was on an important personal call, so she asked for her to wait, she didn't and promptly walked out.
She spent the next few days ignoring, texts, e-mails and calls from her manager, obviously wanting to know what was happening and the next thing we hear she has been signed off again with stress and anxiety and she has raised a grievance with a meeting to be held with her, her manager and HR next month!
Have either you or the OP ever seen the film Throw Momma From The Train?She had been with us 3 months and then was signed off with stress for a month, came back, still didn't listen to how to do the job properly, still cocked up with things and didn't address customers properly.
It came to a head where she was continually whinging about the job a couple of weeks ago, her immediate colleague had, had enough of hearing about it and told her that if she didn't like it then she could leave, she went to speak to her immediate manger who was on an important personal call, so she asked for her to wait, she didn't and promptly walked out.
She spent the next few days ignoring, texts, e-mails and calls from her manager, obviously wanting to know what was happening and the next thing we hear she has been signed off again with stress and anxiety and she has raised a grievance with a meeting to be held with her, her manager and HR next month!
I totally feel her pain. I have inherited a right bunch at my workplace. If some of them put as much energy into their work, as they do behaving like an arse, they could be amazing. However I think that when people are out of their depth, they regress into child like behaviour.
I have some people, who on paper should be amazing, the reality really doesn't match the paper (I never hired them). When pushed to do what's asked/expected of them, so much noise and friction is generated.
It's also really weird how people have stress & grevience issues, when they get called out for being an underperforming, workshy t
t (obviously not in those exact words).
I have some people, who on paper should be amazing, the reality really doesn't match the paper (I never hired them). When pushed to do what's asked/expected of them, so much noise and friction is generated.
It's also really weird how people have stress & grevience issues, when they get called out for being an underperforming, workshy t
t (obviously not in those exact words).Breadvan72 said:
Why the surprise surprise comment? I think that I can see the trail of your coat, but am just enquiring.
The non-sexist version of this is that I do encounter a wide variety of folks on my travels and by and large the sub-25s seem to be "stressed" by anything that questions their actions, because they have always had the world fawn around their decisions - "you can't tell them no" and all that now debunked crap that seemed to circulate in the 90s/00s. My field is largely blokes, however, so I cannot comment on the propensity of women to be worse at this character trait.Extending a thought as to what the poster might be getting at I can see that the women in our area seem to be more "delicate flowers" but again that is possibly because of the intellect required to be at this level in the timeframes that women have been more prominent in this field - they are quite clearly more intelligent than us, we've just been doing it longer - but the link between those character traits is a subject for a separate discussion if anyone really cares sufficiently.
monkeychild said:
I totally feel her pain. I have inherited a right bunch at my workplace. If some of them put as much energy into their work, as they do behaving like an arse, they could be amazing. However I think that when people are out of their depth, they regress into child like behaviour.
I have some people, who on paper should be amazing, the reality really doesn't match the paper (I never hired them). When pushed to do what's asked/expected of them, so much noise and friction is generated.
It's also really weird how people have stress & grevience issues, when they get called out for being an underperforming, workshy tt (obviously not in those exact words).
Yes I think many of us have experienced those people, and age is no barrier to it. I have some people, who on paper should be amazing, the reality really doesn't match the paper (I never hired them). When pushed to do what's asked/expected of them, so much noise and friction is generated.
It's also really weird how people have stress & grevience issues, when they get called out for being an underperforming, workshy t
t (obviously not in those exact words).Both my children went to pre-school. Just in the short periods of time I was picking up and dropping off, I saw countless children being disciplined for poor behaviour. I'm fairly sure it hasn't changed that dramatically in the 6 months since the youngest left.
Both are now in primary school, where the discipline is very pronounced indeed, and poor behaviour is not tolerated. It's not getting worse.
Both are now in primary school, where the discipline is very pronounced indeed, and poor behaviour is not tolerated. It's not getting worse.
_dobbo_ said:
Both my children went to pre-school. Just in the short periods of time I was picking up and dropping off, I saw countless children being disciplined for poor behaviour. I'm fairly sure it hasn't changed that dramatically in the 6 months since the youngest left.
Both are now in primary school, where the discipline is very pronounced indeed, and poor behaviour is not tolerated. It's not getting worse.
I’ll try and get her to dig out the guidance issued to them. Her ‘setting’ (zzz) is rated outstanding by the gov.Both are now in primary school, where the discipline is very pronounced indeed, and poor behaviour is not tolerated. It's not getting worse.
Breadvan72 said:
Generalisations about all young adults are rubbish...
Agree with that.The comment about GPs giving out sick notes like free raffle tickets seems to be true as well.
The biggest headache my Mrs has at work is managing staff absence (in a secondary school), not being there causes massive problems. Had one recently where the doc had written words to the effect, "needs rest, plenty of fluids and paracetamol"....signed off for a week. With what sounds like a cold.
It'd be interesting to be a fly on the wall in these GP consultations, I appreciate they get 10mins per patient and are usually running well late so there must be a real temptation to just print out a sick note and get shut so then move down the list and get off home.
I'm at work today (and yesterday) with a stonking cold, give me a medal.
Just to update...
My OH is mid audit and workload is significantly above the available hours (both at work and at home).
So her boss and HR are starting the process to remove the employee. Performance aside, there is a further concern that given some of the things claimed, the employee won't be able to work with anyone in the department!
My OH is mid audit and workload is significantly above the available hours (both at work and at home).
So her boss and HR are starting the process to remove the employee. Performance aside, there is a further concern that given some of the things claimed, the employee won't be able to work with anyone in the department!
If the person genuinely does have neuralgia and sinusitis - it can be very very debilitating and for long periods of time. I suffer from neuralgia it and had bad flair up in October 2018 that only partly resolved by Sept this year, I am now on strong nerve medicines to manage it. It knocked me for six when I had it work was the last thing on my mind, also neuralgia is not something you would just come up with I had never heard of till diagnosed. The thing that went in my favour at work is I had been there years before I got ill so they knew what I was like and they saw how the illness impacted me. You are in constant pain not just mild pain but constant tooth level pain 24/7, I was a grumpy b&stard.
PostHeads123 said:
If the person genuinely does have neuralgia and sinusitis - it can be very very debilitating and for long periods of time. I suffer from neuralgia it and had bad flair up in October 2018 that only partly resolved by Sept this year, I am now on strong nerve medicines to manage it. It knocked me for six when I had it work was the last thing on my mind, also neuralgia is not something you would just come up with I had never heard of till diagnosed. The thing that went in my favour at work is I had been there years before I got ill so they knew what I was like and they saw how the illness impacted me . You are in constant pain not just mild pain but constant tooth level pain 24/7, I was a grumpy b&stard.
That's the difference for me. The new starts who go off after a week or two or magically develop a serious illness/ condtion early into their new job happens all the time. Long term sickness benefit and support is for teh likes of you but new starts just take advantage of it.CubanPete said:
Just to update...
My OH is mid audit and workload is significantly above the available hours (both at work and at home).
So her boss and HR are starting the process to remove the employee. Performance aside, there is a further concern that given some of the things claimed, the employee won't be able to work with anyone in the department!
I was hoping this wasn't going to be one of those threads where the OP vanishes My OH is mid audit and workload is significantly above the available hours (both at work and at home).
So her boss and HR are starting the process to remove the employee. Performance aside, there is a further concern that given some of the things claimed, the employee won't be able to work with anyone in the department!
slipstream 1985 said:
That's the difference for me. The new starts who go off after a week or two or magically develop a serious illness/ condtion early into their new job happens all the time. Long term sickness benefit and support is for teh likes of you but new starts just take advantage of it.
It'd make it a bit easier for small companies to hire people if they were excluded from these laws. I don't really think some small business with 3 employees should be forced to carry a disabled passenger who's never at work.Algarve said:
It'd make it a bit easier for small companies to hire people if they were excluded from these laws. I don't really think some small business with 3 employees should be forced to carry a disabled passenger who's never at work.
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