Physical assault at work

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CAPP0 said:

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CAPP0 said:

The bit about "are you ok to work with her tonight" - wtf is wrong with your management? She should absolutely, without question, have been suspended for this immediately. Whether with pay or not isn't your issue, it's management's, but she should NOT be in that workplace until this is resolved.

This is not meant to be a "standard PH" type response but you absolutely have to stand up to mgmt and say No, this isn't happening, get her away from here. Otherwise what next; false accusations against you, worse assaults, a weapon. What if she fires a powder extinguisher in your face tonight?

Genuine Q - does she have something over the management? Is there a relationship going on which should't be? Because the mgmt behaviour is inexcusable.

If for whatever reason you're not able to stand up to mgmt then I would seriously suggest either a call to ACAS, or yes, the police for the assault bit.

ACAS Contact details

It's out of my hands now.

Let's see how their HR process holds up.

I will be kept updated, apparently.

You've done the right thing and it's good to see that mgmt have also looked after you, although it should be her not coming in, not you - there are presumably other people she could assault, so they are running a fair risk there, esp once they have told her, when she may go ape once again.

You are right - and it's decent of you to acknowledge - that she needs help, but she needs to get that from somewhere other than the workplace.

She is in work tonight. They aren't talking to her about it until tomorrow though.

I do feel a bit disappointed with myself for not being stronger about the not working with her anymore thing. However, reflection is a wonderful thing and I will tell them this the next time I speak to them.

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Tyre Smoke said:

It is fairly standard to ask the aggrieved party what they want the outcome to be. It gives them an idea of how hard they need to be. If Mr Robot was going all out 'I'm getting the police involved, it's common assault, she's not safe to be around....' then their approach/the outcome might be a lot different to ' she needs help, I want her to understand it's not acceptable..'

Ultimately, she will probably be given a final written warning for Gross Misconduct. I suspect that she isn't in work tonight either. It's usual in these cases to immediately suspend the two parties. In other words take them both out of the environment to allow an investigation to take place. In this case, it seems pretty cut and shut.

She is in work tonight. I'm off on full pay though.

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Wow.

I see my forum stalker is back.

What a fked up place this has become.

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Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

It would be a very odd thing to make up.

It isn't made up.

But techiedave will tell you otherwise. Because for some reason, he is following me around on this forum.

He also cried to the mods because I called him a nasty word.

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thainy77 said:

Stop adding to the nonsense and bringing the forum down then, he's called you out, take ownership and stop wasting peoples time.

What?

Called me out?

He is nothing but a sad little individual following me around on here.

This is weird.

And how the hell am I bringing the forum down?

There are some fked up little boys on here.

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Pothole said:

OP: you are effectively letting her off. Why? Why does she deserve to be treated with any respect and compassion? She has shown you none. A physical assault in the workplace should result in dismissal, either instantly or almost instantly. No more, no less.

By the way, there's no such thing as a verbal assault.

I posted on here because I have never been in this situation. I don't know how to handle something like this.

I didnt go all out with my manager earlier because me going off on one about the woman and asking for her to be sacked isn't me.

As for why they are even letting her continue, I have no idea either. I'm not a HR person.

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thainy77 said:

funkyrobot said:

What?

Called me out?

He is nothing but a sad little individual following me around on here.

This is weird.

And how the hell am I bringing the forum down?

There are some fked up little boys on here.

Yes, called you out, anybody can read your previous posts and they are all make believe.

You are bringing it down by posting complete rubbish in various sections of the forum, attention seeking a new audience every time.

And yes there are, you being the prime example.

Dear oh dear. What a sad, sad little individual you are.

You dont have to read my 'rubbish' you know. Surely an adult would just frown and move on.

I'm glad you care enough about me to visit this thread though.

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techiedave said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

It would be a very odd thing to make up.

This is Funky the fantasist we are talking about. It's standard for him

Better than techiedave the big baby who ran to the mods.

Jesus man. Do you want my phone number? You seem quite keen on me.

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Tyre Smoke said:

I was thinking that.

Anyway, back on topic, FR if what you have posted is true, then you should be asking your company why they have permitted her to continue to work when she was witnessed by a manager assaulting you for no apparent reason. You should also report the assault to the police and contact ACAS/Union because your company is not treating you fairly. In fact if you ae the victim of an unprovoked assault, then you are being unfairly singled out.

Thanks. Yes it's true.

I will be talking to my company and asking questions when they next speak to me. The investigation is supposed to have begun today.

Thanks to this thread I've got more information to use now and more questions to ask.

I have booked an appointment with the doctors for later. I suffer from general anxiety disorder and this event hit me hard last night. It's really set back some of the work I've done over the last few years to try and get better.

Although I need to report this to the police, I'm somewhat scared of doing so.

Thanks again to everyone who has been helpful.

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xjay1337 said:

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No apology that I can recall. She just said she didn't know why she did it.

Thing is, if she does this, what is to stop her escalating the next event.

As mentioned above, she has got away with so much. I'm expecting to be told off later for being in the way of her hand, or hurting her hand.

Edited by funkyrobot on Monday 27th January 14:10

Jesus. Things are not going well for you at the minute.

Hopefully she gets fired.

I would report to police if she doesn't get fired. I would think losing her job punishment enough.

Thanks. Indeed, things are tough at the moment.

This thread does highlight one thing to me though, and that is bullies do not just reside in school. It's crazy to think that there are supposedly grown adults circling on here trying to virtually bully people. What a cesspit the internet can be eh.

In relation to the work matter, I'm in the dark at the moment. Today is a full work day there and I won't be surprised if I don't hear anything until tomorrow.

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lyonspride said:

Tyre Smoke said:

I was thinking that.

Anyway, back on topic, FR if what you have posted is true, then you should be asking your company why they have permitted her to continue to work when she was witnessed by a manager assaulting you for no apparent reason. You should also report the assault to the police and contact ACAS/Union because your company is not treating you fairly. In fact if you ae the victim of an unprovoked assault, then you are being unfairly singled out.

Because women have "features" that managers like.

They must be extra special because the management team at my place of work are all female.

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vaud said:

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Although I need to report this to the police, I'm somewhat scared of doing so.

Just call 101. Victim support is very good (generally). You can always withdraw your statement later (though they still might prosecute if they have enough other evidence)

Thanks. I will call them now. Have some time before I pick my daughter up from school.

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SmoothCriminal said:

I'm leaning for the attention seeking aspect people have speculated.

What kind of organisation or outfit suspends the victim and lets the aggressor carry on as normal.

Also how many people randomly get attacked in the work place for no apparent reason and infront of a manager to boot.

/inb4internetBULLY

I am not suspended. I got asked if I wanted monday evening off on full pay. I said yes.

The investigation with my colleague was supposed to start today.

I'm back in work tomorrow where I shall ask for an update and ask questions I have picked up from this thread.

The next time I'm due to work with the woman who slapped me is Thursday. I'm going to tell them tomorrow I dont want to work with her anymore and see what happens from there.

Yes, my place of work is utterly incompetent. HR arent based on site either, they are based 80 odd miles away.

I will be going in tomorrow much better informed thanks to this thread. I'm also not taking any rubbish and want to know why the woman wasnt immediately sent home on Saturday.

That's where we are with this at the moment I'm afraid. Up to you if you choose to believe me.

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The only reason there is an investigation is because I asked for one. Just after the slap, the supervisor in work said 'I'll have a word with her'. If I had left it, that would have been it. No further action.

Incompetence at its finest I would say.

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Thankyou4calling said:

Thanks FR.

All the best and I hope it’s resolved satisfactorily

Mentioned the incident at the docs tonight so it's logged there too.

They want me on antidepressants and and sleep medicine.

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anonymous said:

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The supervisor who witnessed the slap will not do anything without asking the main manager first. Numerous times we have enquired about day to day stuff and she always says she needs to check with the other manager.

As I said above, initially the supervisor on Saturday just wanted to have a word with the lady who slapped me. That would have been it. No record of the event or anything else.

When I stated I wanted to complain she asked me to write a statement. This statement would the be passed on to the main manager who was uncontactable all weekend.

When I went in yesterday afternoon to do another statement (despite the fact i had already written one, printed it out and handed it in on sunday), the main manager said she had only known about the issue for a few hours. She told me she had contacted HR, was waiting for a response and the investigation was due to start today.

Supervisor wouldn't do anything without main manager and main manager wouldn't do anything without HR. Despite the glaringly obvious things like suspension for the aggressor.

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I've just had a message from a colleague to say the woman who slapped me is in work today. She is moaning a lot.

I guess they aren't suspending her then.

Think I need to crank this up a gear tomorrow. This simply is not on.

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edc said:

This would be a typical response for alleged violence in the work place and the sort of thing I have done.

De-escalate incident. Suspend on pay pending investigation. Then carry out your usual 3 step if needed investigation / disciplinary procedure. Investigate grievance where one may be submitted. Implement outcomes and recommendations.

The investigation was supposed to begin today. As mentioned above, I have just been informed the aggressor is in work today.

Someone is not following procedures or their procedures need updating.

Anyone know any good employment lawyers?

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Cheers.

Is it worth going straight to CEO?

I dont have any contact details for the HR person. As I said above, they are based 80 miles away.

It's annoying me now. I have tried to be nice and forgiving about this. But this clearly gets you nowhere.

I wonde how the CEO would feel if he knew what had happened in front of 100 customers?

Bizarrely, we recently had a meeting about enforcing standards etc.

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Wacky Racer said:

Good luck fr.

Thanks.

I'm going to need it I think.