The "I've been furloughed" Thread

The "I've been furloughed" Thread

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Japveesix

4,481 posts

168 months

Saturday 14th November 2020
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journeymanpro said:
The claw back clause is a, copy and paste, I had one exactly the same that my useless employed copied from gov. UK. I refused to sign it so they removed it.
Thanks

I have emailed my manager asking what their reasoning for putting it in there is. I'd already found where they seem to have copied it from.

It just seems like such a ludicrously open clause with potential to completely screw me and my finances over!

Durzel

12,272 posts

168 months

Saturday 14th November 2020
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Is there seriously a suggestion that the Govt could or would attempt to claw back the money from companies in the future? That seems like it would be huge news if it were the case. Where is this clause being copied from, if not GOV.UK?

Kiribati268

570 posts

137 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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Durzel said:
Is there seriously a suggestion that the Govt could or would attempt to claw back the money from companies in the future? That seems like it would be huge news if it were the case. Where is this clause being copied from, if not GOV.UK?
I think it's just the poster's company doing a big arse covering. What they're covering for, and why they are asking them to sign it I have no idea.

The furlough is between the company and the government, furlough money is nothing to do with the employee.

Do not sign it!

edc

9,236 posts

251 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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Kiribati268 said:
I think it's just the poster's company doing a big arse covering. What they're covering for, and why they are asking them to sign it I have no idea.

The furlough is between the company and the government, furlough money is nothing to do with the employee.

Do not sign it!
Furlough pay is everything to do with the employee. After all, it is the employee that receives it. The Company pays the employee up front and reclaims later. If you want a real separation then copy the Spanish system where the company only pays you for the work done. The balance of the unworked contractual hours is paid directly by the state and sometimes up to 3 months late.

Japveesix

4,481 posts

168 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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Kiribati268 said:
Durzel said:
Is there seriously a suggestion that the Govt could or would attempt to claw back the money from companies in the future? That seems like it would be huge news if it were the case. Where is this clause being copied from, if not GOV.UK?
I think it's just the poster's company doing a big arse covering. What they're covering for, and why they are asking them to sign it I have no idea.

The furlough is between the company and the government, furlough money is nothing to do with the employee.

Do not sign it!
As far as I can tell it's copied and pasted directly from an example letter in the Britishchambers website.

And yes it's clearly a big arse covering exercise with no thought gone into it but it does have potential to totally screw me over should the worse case scenario happen. If the company was found to have illegally claimed, and in no way my fault, and the Gov chose to reclaim it all then they could nick or back off me and I'd very out of pocket.

It seems like a ridiculous clause to me, so I've had a moan and not signed.

journeymanpro

758 posts

77 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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Japveesix said:
As far as I can tell it's copied and pasted directly from an example letter in the Britishchambers website.

And yes it's clearly a big arse covering exercise with no thought gone into it but it does have potential to totally screw me over should the worse case scenario happen. If the company was found to have illegally claimed, and in no way my fault, and the Gov chose to reclaim it all then they could nick or back off me and I'd very out of pocket.

It seems like a ridiculous clause to me, so I've had a moan and not signed.
Exactly why I didn't sign. Why should I be held responsible if my employer lies or screws the claim up.

hyphen

26,262 posts

90 months

Wednesday 29th September 2021
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Furlough scheme officially ends tomorrow

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10042113/...

AudiMan9000

738 posts

48 months

Sunday 3rd October 2021
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hyphen said:
Furlough scheme officially ends tomorrow

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10042113/...
Is it fair to say the job losses haven’t been as catastrophic as predicted back in 2020? The scheme seems to have worked in ‘retaining’ lots of jobs. Maybe lots of people changed careers though.

Flooble

5,565 posts

100 months

Sunday 3rd October 2021
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Too soon to tell I think.

How many of the million still on furlough by the end of last month were genuinely on furlough? By which I mean once you remove those who had already got another job (sensible thing to do I would say, once you were past a year on furlough you'd have to expect to have nothing to go back to!) and any dodgy firms double-dipping, is it likely that there were really a million people who had been sitting at home for a year and a half doing absolutely nothing, and are now suddenly shocked into action?

Of those who really are only just now being made redundancy, they would hopefully have saved something during their furlough period and may well be receiving several months of redundancy and pay in lieu of notice. Which could well stretch out any re-entry into the job market well into next year.


skwdenyer

16,509 posts

240 months

Sunday 3rd October 2021
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Flooble said:
Too soon to tell I think.

How many of the million still on furlough by the end of last month were genuinely on furlough? By which I mean once you remove those who had already got another job (sensible thing to do I would say, once you were past a year on furlough you'd have to expect to have nothing to go back to!) and any dodgy firms double-dipping, is it likely that there were really a million people who had been sitting at home for a year and a half doing absolutely nothing, and are now suddenly shocked into action?

Of those who really are only just now being made redundancy, they would hopefully have saved something during their furlough period and may well be receiving several months of redundancy and pay in lieu of notice. Which could well stretch out any re-entry into the job market well into next year.
You understand that many of those on the scheme were on flexible furlough?

Flooble

5,565 posts

100 months

Sunday 3rd October 2021
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skwdenyer said:
Flooble said:
Too soon to tell I think.

How many of the million still on furlough by the end of last month were genuinely on furlough? By which I mean once you remove those who had already got another job (sensible thing to do I would say, once you were past a year on furlough you'd have to expect to have nothing to go back to!) and any dodgy firms double-dipping, is it likely that there were really a million people who had been sitting at home for a year and a half doing absolutely nothing, and are now suddenly shocked into action?

Of those who really are only just now being made redundancy, they would hopefully have saved something during their furlough period and may well be receiving several months of redundancy and pay in lieu of notice. Which could well stretch out any re-entry into the job market well into next year.
You understand that many of those on the scheme were on flexible furlough?
Not sure that makes a difference? My point being the "million on furlough" number is probably not actually a million people sitting around doing nothing? So unlikely to be a mass influx of people back into the labour market.