The "I've been furloughed" Thread
Discussion
StevenB said:
Has anyone managed to find out (officially) if you can get another job, ie tesco etc while your are furloughed ? (with the furloughing company being aware)
Some of our drivers are going to struggle as they do overtime to get there hours up (bus and coach industry)
If you already had two jobs it's ok to carry on with the one you are not furloughed from,thats mentioned in the government guidance
Thanks
Steve
The furlough only applies to the company you are now not actively working for, it has no effect on a second income stream, you are free to work elsewhere and will pay tax as normal on that income. Any income via the first employer furlough scheme will have the usual PAYE deductions.Some of our drivers are going to struggle as they do overtime to get there hours up (bus and coach industry)
If you already had two jobs it's ok to carry on with the one you are not furloughed from,thats mentioned in the government guidance
Thanks
Steve
I have been off since last monday night, basically after Boris spoke we shut the workshop for all staff except one, who does work not related to our main business, which is motorsport.
My employer is paying 80% upto £2500 and will not be topping up, i earn more than the 80% would cover so that's me down a fair bit more than 80%.
I received a letter yesterday to say the initial period is 3 weeks and then it will be reviewed, and it may be the case we will be made redundant longer term depending on circumstances. I think it's going to be tough to keep us all on post this mess as the industry i work in is buggered, especially if you take into account the state of the economy post the virus impact.
I have been saving up a decent deposit for a house, currently renting, so because of that i have more savings than normal, i checked today and under the current universal credit rules i have too much saved up to receive a penny in help if i am made redundant. It's likely my deposit will go to bugger all as a result if i don't find work.
In case you are wondering how your pay is calculated under this scheme and if you are like me, who earns a lot more in the race season than in winter, the rules cover this eventuality where you don't have an annual fixed salary.
You get the HIGHER of:
- What you earned for that job in the same month last year, OR
- Your average monthly earnings over the 2019/20 tax year.
The amount is based on basic salary including overtime, but not including bonuses and commission. Either way i'm in the £2500 bracket before tax.
I knew it was going to happen, doesn't make it any less s
t. I work in the accounts dept for a smallish housing developer, but as we closed all sites last Friday, there will be nothing for me to do as no invoices coming in, and not subcontractors on site, so being furloughed as from the end of play Friday until 24th April (also as the last Friday in the month, payday) with employer topping up the 20%, and reviewing the situation at this point.
However, if we can't reasonably reopen the sites and get building again, then it will continue. We're only a small team, 17 of us in total, and it's more like an extended family, so I have every faith that the directors will fight tooth and nail to keep the company going. I need them to, and they know I need them to, as I've only just started the process of buying a house after separating from my OH, and can't think what will happen if everything falls apart.
t. I work in the accounts dept for a smallish housing developer, but as we closed all sites last Friday, there will be nothing for me to do as no invoices coming in, and not subcontractors on site, so being furloughed as from the end of play Friday until 24th April (also as the last Friday in the month, payday) with employer topping up the 20%, and reviewing the situation at this point.However, if we can't reasonably reopen the sites and get building again, then it will continue. We're only a small team, 17 of us in total, and it's more like an extended family, so I have every faith that the directors will fight tooth and nail to keep the company going. I need them to, and they know I need them to, as I've only just started the process of buying a house after separating from my OH, and can't think what will happen if everything falls apart.
cherie171 said:
I knew it was going to happen, doesn't make it any less st. I work in the accounts dept for a smallish housing developer, but as we closed all sites last Friday, there will be nothing for me to do as no invoices coming in, and not subcontractors on site, so being furloughed as from the end of play Friday until 24th April (also as the last Friday in the month, payday) with employer topping up the 20%, and reviewing the situation at this point.
However, if we can't reasonably reopen the sites and get building again, then it will continue. We're only a small team, 17 of us in total, and it's more like an extended family, so I have every faith that the directors will fight tooth and nail to keep the company going. I need them to, and they know I need them to, as I've only just started the process of buying a house after separating from my OH, and can't think what will happen if everything falls apart.
Getting building again is not the issue - why build if there are no buyers ? The lenders have shut up shop unless your have a 65% LTV.t. I work in the accounts dept for a smallish housing developer, but as we closed all sites last Friday, there will be nothing for me to do as no invoices coming in, and not subcontractors on site, so being furloughed as from the end of play Friday until 24th April (also as the last Friday in the month, payday) with employer topping up the 20%, and reviewing the situation at this point.However, if we can't reasonably reopen the sites and get building again, then it will continue. We're only a small team, 17 of us in total, and it's more like an extended family, so I have every faith that the directors will fight tooth and nail to keep the company going. I need them to, and they know I need them to, as I've only just started the process of buying a house after separating from my OH, and can't think what will happen if everything falls apart.
Your sites were purchased and the developments costed and sales projected on figures that are long gone. No matter how hard the directors work, the world has changed.
Developers caught in this are in a horrible place. Through good money after bad ?
jsf said:
RobXjcoupe said:
The 80% government wage is free from deductions.
It's not. You pay tax and NI on the amount you recieve. So Net will be nearer to 2K with deductions.
I thought the whole idea of government pay at 80% is its free of deductions otherwise the tax man is giving money and taking some back straight away. The money paid by my employer to top my wages is the missing 20% and that is taxed with ni contributions removed.
My paperwork says my company will top up the missing 20%. If the government money is taxed then my employer would be topping up by more than 20%.
No idea why you linked the info about employer NI.
Anything you get will be gross paid via the scheme, it is then taxed as usual.
£2500/month is £30K/year, thats gives someone on the standard tax code a take home pay of £2003/month. That's the most anyone on the scheme is getting unless they have a more beneficial tax code.
Anything you get will be gross paid via the scheme, it is then taxed as usual.
£2500/month is £30K/year, thats gives someone on the standard tax code a take home pay of £2003/month. That's the most anyone on the scheme is getting unless they have a more beneficial tax code.
Yep - re-writing the tax system which has taken over 100 years to fk up isn't going to happen.
The PAYE system will work exactly as before.
Your starting point will either be as is (your employer is topping up the missing 20%) or something between 80% and 99.99% depending on what your employer decides to do.
k up isn't going to happen.The PAYE system will work exactly as before.
Your starting point will either be as is (your employer is topping up the missing 20%) or something between 80% and 99.99% depending on what your employer decides to do.
AlvinSultana said:
Getting building again is not the issue - why build if there are no buyers ? The lenders have shut up shop unless your have a 65% LTV.
Your sites were purchased and the developments costed and sales projected on figures that are long gone. No matter how hard the directors work, the world has changed.
Developers caught in this are in a horrible place. Through good money after bad ?
Well aren't you a little ray of sunshine?Your sites were purchased and the developments costed and sales projected on figures that are long gone. No matter how hard the directors work, the world has changed.
Developers caught in this are in a horrible place. Through good money after bad ?
We know that things aren't going to return to exactly where we were before, and it will take a while for people and banks to be in a position to be buying houses again, but it will happen. People generally will want to resume their lives as they were before, it might take some longer than others, but we are creatures of habit, and we like the familiar. So the directors are planning with at least 6 months of no new reservations in the books, possibly longer.
Whilst it's very easy to be pessimistic, and believe me, a lot of the time, my anxiety generally doesn't let me be anything else. But if we don't have hope, and faith in other peoples desire to go back to some kind of (better?) normality, we have nothing.
Last day for the foreseeable for me today, In a ‘safe’ motor trade job I’ve done for 11 years. They’ve said it’ll be 3 weeks at least but suspect it’ll be a couple of months.
With what they’ve offered us, accounting for no commute and less money on lunches, I’ll be better off than I am now, financially at least.
Not sure what I’m going to do with myself though.
With what they’ve offered us, accounting for no commute and less money on lunches, I’ll be better off than I am now, financially at least.
Not sure what I’m going to do with myself though.
Been WFH from the 23rd but got told on the 30th I'm being furloughed from the 8th April. Not sure how this months pay will be calculated as we usually get paid on the 23rd so that will be 2 weeks normal working and 2 weeks on leave.
I'm assuming it will be until 1st June when the scheme ends, however if they decide to bring you back sooner does anyone know how much notice they have to give you to do this? Obviously we are still under contract and employed by them but if I was to get another part time job for a while (which it seems I'm allowed to do), what is 'reasonable' notice to bring you back to work?
I'm assuming it will be until 1st June when the scheme ends, however if they decide to bring you back sooner does anyone know how much notice they have to give you to do this? Obviously we are still under contract and employed by them but if I was to get another part time job for a while (which it seems I'm allowed to do), what is 'reasonable' notice to bring you back to work?
JamesRF said:
Been WFH from the 23rd but got told on the 30th I'm being furloughed from the 8th April. Not sure how this months pay will be calculated as we usually get paid on the 23rd so that will be 2 weeks normal working and 2 weeks on leave.
I'm assuming it will be until 1st June when the scheme ends, however if they decide to bring you back sooner does anyone know how much notice they have to give you to do this? Obviously we are still under contract and employed by them but if I was to get another part time job for a while (which it seems I'm allowed to do), what is 'reasonable' notice to bring you back to work?
I didn't think that one could work elsewhere whist being furloughed? I'm assuming it will be until 1st June when the scheme ends, however if they decide to bring you back sooner does anyone know how much notice they have to give you to do this? Obviously we are still under contract and employed by them but if I was to get another part time job for a while (which it seems I'm allowed to do), what is 'reasonable' notice to bring you back to work?
Ahh, just found this:
[i]Staff may be able to work for another employer so long as it does not breach the contractual obligations set out. They should only work outside of the hours they would normally work with the job they have been furloughed from.
Taking an extra weekend job at a supermarket, or running deliveries in the evening, may not breach obligations if your contract stipulates a 9am-5pm working day, for example.[/i]
HTP99 said:
They should only work outside of the hours they would normally work with the job they have been furloughed from.
Taking an extra weekend job at a supermarket, or running deliveries in the evening, may not breach obligations if your contract stipulates a 9am-5pm working day, for example.[/i]
Thanks, I found that as well shortly after posting. Makes sense I guess, doing the odd night or weekend shift isn't going to impact a 9-5 week job.Taking an extra weekend job at a supermarket, or running deliveries in the evening, may not breach obligations if your contract stipulates a 9am-5pm working day, for example.[/i]
edc said:
Reasonable notice to bring you back to work? You have a contract of employment so no notice is required.
I realise that, I meant more in terms of if your boss decided to email/phone late one night and expect you to travel in or be logged on by 9am the next morning.A lot of our correspondence regarding operations and letters being sent out have been during evenings or even on weekends.
HTP99 said:
JamesRF said:
Been WFH from the 23rd but got told on the 30th I'm being furloughed from the 8th April. Not sure how this months pay will be calculated as we usually get paid on the 23rd so that will be 2 weeks normal working and 2 weeks on leave.
I'm assuming it will be until 1st June when the scheme ends, however if they decide to bring you back sooner does anyone know how much notice they have to give you to do this? Obviously we are still under contract and employed by them but if I was to get another part time job for a while (which it seems I'm allowed to do), what is 'reasonable' notice to bring you back to work?
I didn't think that one could work elsewhere whist being furloughed? I'm assuming it will be until 1st June when the scheme ends, however if they decide to bring you back sooner does anyone know how much notice they have to give you to do this? Obviously we are still under contract and employed by them but if I was to get another part time job for a while (which it seems I'm allowed to do), what is 'reasonable' notice to bring you back to work?
Ahh, just found this:
[i]Staff may be able to work for another employer so long as it does not breach the contractual obligations set out. They should only work outside of the hours they would normally work with the job they have been furloughed from.
Taking an extra weekend job at a supermarket, or running deliveries in the evening, may not breach obligations if your contract stipulates a 9am-5pm working day, for example.[/i]
Also if you Furloughed it has to be for at least 3 weeks
You can only submit one claim at least every 3 weeks, which is the minimum length an employee can be furloughed for. Claims can be backdated until the 1 March if applicable.
from here under claim
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-t...
StevenB said:
Where did you find this about taking another job on please ?
Also if you Furloughed it has to be for at least 3 weeks
You can only submit one claim at least every 3 weeks, which is the minimum length an employee can be furloughed for. Claims can be backdated until the 1 March if applicable.
from here under claim
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-t...
People have more than one job or income stream. Being furloughed by one job doesn't mean you can't do any other.Also if you Furloughed it has to be for at least 3 weeks
You can only submit one claim at least every 3 weeks, which is the minimum length an employee can be furloughed for. Claims can be backdated until the 1 March if applicable.
from here under claim
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-t...
I've just been told around 40% of our workforce will be furloughed as our order books are likely to fall off a cliff (selling kit mainly into Universities). They are asking for volunteers to put their name forward. They seem to be topping up to 100% of your normal wage.
Are there any downsides to taking this offer? Would you be more susceptible to being made redundant if business continues to stay low? Do you lose any employment rights?
Are there any downsides to taking this offer? Would you be more susceptible to being made redundant if business continues to stay low? Do you lose any employment rights?
FreeLitres said:
I've just been told around 40% of our workforce will be furloughed as our order books are likely to fall off a cliff (selling kit mainly into Universities). They are asking for volunteers to put their name forward. They seem to be topping up to 100% of your normal wage.
Are there any downsides to taking this offer? Would you be more susceptible to being made redundant if business continues to stay low? Do you lose any employment rights?
Not from what I've read but it does suggest for companies to put those most likely to be made redundant on furloughAre there any downsides to taking this offer? Would you be more susceptible to being made redundant if business continues to stay low? Do you lose any employment rights?
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