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The Mad Monk said:
Fastchas said:
Something about bottoms. I think he was trying to be rude.
Why did/does/has your sister stayed there 25 years! Plenty of work around in South East England.It's Economics 101
The price of anything is set by the Supply and the Demand. I assume there are still plenty of young men/women wanting to be Cabin Crew and that demand has fallen. That means that price (wages) will fall as well. I guess that BA staff were protected to some degree when the company didn't want to risk industrial action but that isn't the case at the moment.
In answer to the OP - yes they can. I've been involved in a few Job Evaluation exercises where roles were rebanded/regraded. A lot of people weren't happy when faced with £10k paycuts and some thought that they couldn't be forced into accepting the new contracts. This was wrong - they were told that if they didn't sign up they had effectively submitted their resignation.
The price of anything is set by the Supply and the Demand. I assume there are still plenty of young men/women wanting to be Cabin Crew and that demand has fallen. That means that price (wages) will fall as well. I guess that BA staff were protected to some degree when the company didn't want to risk industrial action but that isn't the case at the moment.
In answer to the OP - yes they can. I've been involved in a few Job Evaluation exercises where roles were rebanded/regraded. A lot of people weren't happy when faced with £10k paycuts and some thought that they couldn't be forced into accepting the new contracts. This was wrong - they were told that if they didn't sign up they had effectively submitted their resignation.
Edited by Countdown on Sunday 7th June 14:14
So do they have to pay you redundancy or not?.
Countdown said:
It's Economics 101
The price of anything is set by the Supply and the Demand. I assume there are still plenty of young men/women wanting to be Cabin Crew and that demand has fallen. That means that price (wages) will fall as well. I guess that BA staff were protected to some degree when the company didn't want to risk industrial action but that isn't the case at the moment.
In answer to the OP - yes they can. I've been involved in a few Job Evaluation exercises where roles were rebanded/regraded. A lot of people weren't happy when faced with £10k paycuts and some thought that they couldn't be forced into accepting the new contracts. This was wrong - they were told that if they didn't sign up they had effectively submitted their resignation.
The price of anything is set by the Supply and the Demand. I assume there are still plenty of young men/women wanting to be Cabin Crew and that demand has fallen. That means that price (wages) will fall as well. I guess that BA staff were protected to some degree when the company didn't want to risk industrial action but that isn't the case at the moment.
In answer to the OP - yes they can. I've been involved in a few Job Evaluation exercises where roles were rebanded/regraded. A lot of people weren't happy when faced with £10k paycuts and some thought that they couldn't be forced into accepting the new contracts. This was wrong - they were told that if they didn't sign up they had effectively submitted their resignation.
Edited by Countdown on Sunday 7th June 14:14
Fastchas said:
The Mad Monk said:
Fastchas said:
Something about bottoms. I think he was trying to be rude.
Why did/does/has your sister stayed there 25 years! Plenty of work around in South East England.Not disputing that BA are acting rather poorly, but that has nothing to with your sisters life choices.
In 2010(?) BA changed various pay and working conditions structures. Much inferior to those previously.
People are still desperate to work there. That would suggest that they were overpaid previously.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/ba-flight-...
The pay, perks and pension are second to none.
People are still desperate to work there. That would suggest that they were overpaid previously.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/ba-flight-...
The pay, perks and pension are second to none.
moles said:
So do they have to pay you redundancy or not?.
Technically No. It's not redundancy Your job still exists. However a flexible accommodating Employer might pretend that there's been a restructure and you couldn't be redeployed into a new role and offer you redundancy instead..ETA Apologies - just re-read your post. Are they actually making people redundant or are they terminating contracts? It's not the same thing and I assumed the latter....
Edited by Countdown on Sunday 7th June 18:56
nessiemac said:
I'm still waiting for The Mad Monk to come back and tell me how much I am overpaid by and how much I should earn?
Why does this happen so often on here?
Posters appear, speak nonsense, get called out and never come back!
Pathetic
It's a question that only you can answer. Can you move into a role which requires the same skills/experience (and to all intents and purposes IS the same) for similar or more money? If yes then you're not overpaid. Why does this happen so often on here?
Posters appear, speak nonsense, get called out and never come back!
Pathetic
Fastchas said:
The Mad Monk said:
Fastchas said:
Something about bottoms. I think he was trying to be rude.
Why did/does/has your sister stayed there 25 years! Plenty of work around in South East England.I have a friend that is “old BA” cabin crew and lives on the Fylde coast yet works out of Heathrow
She has a lovely place, nice Audi, clothes etc and lots of time off
I have no idea how much she earns but it must be worthwhile for her
Re your sister, I just did a bit of googling and found the current starting salary for BA cabin crew is £24k
Senior Cabin crew, long serving staff, are on £35-40k upwards basic
Crew Leaders are on £80k + basic
The latest mixed fleet staff ( new lower salaries) earn an average of £30k
I somehow doubt that after 22 years service your sister is still on starting pay
And surely, like my friend, it must be financially worthwhile to commute from Staffs to LHR for her, otherwise why would she do it ?
A 40 hour week in Aldi will pay £11ph which is £22k
I think BA are offering redundancy but I’m more interested in whether a company can rip your terms and conditions to shreds without compensating you for the privilege.
Has the employee literally got no say in the matter?.
ETA Apologies - just re-read your post. Are they actually making people redundant or are they terminating contracts? It's not the same thing and I assumed the latter....
Has the employee literally got no say in the matter?.
Countdown said:
moles said:
So do they have to pay you redundancy or not?.
Technically No. It's not redundancy Your job still exists. However a flexible accommodating Employer might pretend that there's been a restructure and you couldn't be redeployed into a new role and offer you redundancy instead..ETA Apologies - just re-read your post. Are they actually making people redundant or are they terminating contracts? It's not the same thing and I assumed the latter....
Edited by Countdown on Sunday 7th June 18:56
moles said:
I think BA are offering redundancy but I’m more interested in whether a company can rip your terms and conditions to shreds without compensating you for the privilege.
Has the employee literally got no say in the matter?.
Hopefully one of the HR Gurus will reply but the answer is basically "yes". There is a process that should be followed and if the Employer doesn't follow it I guess it could be classed as unfair dismissal. the link below might help.Has the employee literally got no say in the matter?.
https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/changing-contrac...
Wattyboy said:
It won’t be your sister taking a cut like that. It will be the overpaid ones - the ones that held Walsh to ransom last year and rejected a 11% increase.
The unions have a lot to answer for - they took the pee knowing the BA employees were some of best paid in industry.
Unfortunately tables have turned.
I do have sympathy but every company needs to pay going rate in order to compete. If he cuts salaries too much the employees will just leave and go elsewhere
Leave and go elsewhere!The unions have a lot to answer for - they took the pee knowing the BA employees were some of best paid in industry.
Unfortunately tables have turned.
I do have sympathy but every company needs to pay going rate in order to compete. If he cuts salaries too much the employees will just leave and go elsewhere
Back in the day maybe.
Now. Absolutely no chance.
The Mad Monk said:
Your sister, like all of us had to make certain career decisions as she went through life.
A lot of people would have decided that having a flying career was not compatible with having children. Your sister took certain decisions.
I know a Cabin Director - I think it's called - it means he is the top steward - he is on £100,000 a year. Fly to USA, stay 4 days in top hotel, fly back to UK, another 4 days off. It's hardly work, is it?
I can assure you that no BA cabin crew earn £100k a year. A cabin services director on a long haul legacy contract ( your pal) will be on good money, £70k at best and they certainly don’t get 4 day layovers. It’s not 1986! A lot of people would have decided that having a flying career was not compatible with having children. Your sister took certain decisions.
I know a Cabin Director - I think it's called - it means he is the top steward - he is on £100,000 a year. Fly to USA, stay 4 days in top hotel, fly back to UK, another 4 days off. It's hardly work, is it?
Thanks. So an employer can terminate your contract without having to pay redundancy.
Why do more companies not do this then why don’t they all just terminate peoples contracts instead of paying redundancy?.
https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/changing-contrac...
Why do more companies not do this then why don’t they all just terminate peoples contracts instead of paying redundancy?.
Countdown said:
moles said:
I think BA are offering redundancy but I’m more interested in whether a company can rip your terms and conditions to shreds without compensating you for the privilege.
Has the employee literally got no say in the matter?.
Hopefully one of the HR Gurus will reply but the answer is basically "yes". There is a process that should be followed and if the Employer doesn't follow it I guess it could be classed as unfair dismissal. the link below might help.Has the employee literally got no say in the matter?.
https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/changing-contrac...
The Mad Monk said:
nessiemac said:
I'm still waiting for The Mad Monk to come back and tell me how much I am overpaid by and how much I should earn?
Why does this happen so often on here?
Posters appear, speak nonsense, get called out and never come back!
Pathetic
I think he has responded.Why does this happen so often on here?
Posters appear, speak nonsense, get called out and never come back!
Pathetic
The pathetic bit on my part was not needed, stressful day, so I retract that.
However, you said
"In 2010(?) BA changed various pay and working conditions structures. Much inferior to those previously.
People are still desperate to work there. That would suggest that they were overpaid previously."
I think you are referring to the new "mixed fleet" of cabin crew which was a completely new department on different pay and T's and C's from the rest of the crew fleets that existed at the time. No one on the existing fleets were greatly affected so no real changes to existing pay etc.
The mixed fleet was and has been the only way in for anyone wanting to be Cabin crew at BA for the last 10 years so yes, many young people want to be cabin crew and desperate to have the "glamorous" lifestyle but on a completely different contract than the others.
You also said,
"The employees that have been there a while are grossly overpaid"
I asked you which employees and how do you know what we are all paid? And I take you back to my question that was how much am I being grossly overpaid with 31 years service?
You said, (sorry, useless with multi quotes!)
"The pay, perks and pension are second to none"
I have covered pay and waiting for you to answer that one.
Perks, which perks? Free flights? We don't get any. None! Subsided flights, yes. 2 a year after 20 years compared to 6 free ones at VA for example. And unlimited other flight concessions that are sometimes more expensive than full fare!
Pension. Was good. Now crap. 3 years ago our scheme was stopped and a vastly inferior one put in place which for an old guy like me was bad enough but the youngsters are really badly affected by it.
Luckily for me I really enjoy my job. I work in a great section with the best bunch of engineers on a shift that suits my life perfectly and would like that to continue for at least another 11 years so I can go gracefully.
And I am fully aware of the state of the world but this is more than cutting jobs. This is ripping the airline apart right to it's core.
Countdown said:
nessiemac said:
I'm still waiting for The Mad Monk to come back and tell me how much I am overpaid by and how much I should earn?
Why does this happen so often on here?
Posters appear, speak nonsense, get called out and never come back!
Pathetic
It's a question that only you can answer. Can you move into a role which requires the same skills/experience (and to all intents and purposes IS the same) for similar or more money? If yes then you're not overpaid. Why does this happen so often on here?
Posters appear, speak nonsense, get called out and never come back!
Pathetic
t wage no matter what job you do, people berating cabin crew for earning this really need to give themselves a shakeanxious_ant said:
£80k to be a cabin crew... wow.
I think you will find that probably less than 1% of crew are anywhere near that figure and even then that is after probably 30 plus years in the company as a CSD, basically a cabin manager with many ground based duties as well.New crew are on about £25k after trips and bonuses
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