Can my employer Do this?
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k off you’re lawyer needs more time to read it, he’s a very busy guy! Might make them think onAt the very least you want them to confirm in writing that you will have continuous service from the originsl start date in 2017 because if they want to reset the clock with this contract, you'll need another 2 years service before you get proper redundancy rights etc. You have thst now, keep it.
C4ME said:
From your earlier posts I believe you have said your current contract specifies 07:30 - 17:00 (you posted - "My contract states my current hours, however it also says 'your amount of hours or times may be changed to suit business demands', or to that effect").
You really need to understand in detail what your current contract says on
1/ The times and hours you are expected to work.
2/ The terms under which they can be changed.
You will then need to compare it to what your new contract says on the same two things.
My current contract You really need to understand in detail what your current contract says on
1/ The times and hours you are expected to work.
2/ The terms under which they can be changed.
You will then need to compare it to what your new contract says on the same two things.
Stated in offer letter:
Your hours of work will be based on a normal working week of 07:30-17:00, however due to the nature of this position you may be required to work additional hours to fulfil your responsibility’s, extra payments will be made at your normal hourly rate for this additional time
Stated in contract
“Your normal hours of work are set out in your offer letter (which I have and are the mentioned times) however, your normal hours of work may vary , depending on departmental or local requirements
Will check on the new terms
2gins said:
At the very least you want them to confirm in writing that you will have continuous service from the originsl start date in 2017 because if they want to reset the clock with this contract, you'll need another 2 years service before you get proper redundancy rights etc. You have thst now, keep it.
Good advice thanks Ok so I emailed HR, along the lines of the following
1- why I need to sign considering there no change
2- is the statement about changing hours generic or a change of terms
3. Continuous service
Response
“Thanks for your email.
Although there is no change to your shift pattern we ask that you tick to agree that you have read this letter as confirmation of your shift pattern moving forwards. Your service will be continuous and there are no other changes to your terms and conditions.
If there are any further changes to shift patterns required in the future then we will discuss that with you at the time.”
It doesn’t exactly state if the statement was generic but it does say there are no other changes to your T&C’s. I don’t know why they felt the need to repeat the statement though.
So I think I’m ok to agree seen as I have the above in writing?
1- why I need to sign considering there no change
2- is the statement about changing hours generic or a change of terms
3. Continuous service
Response
“Thanks for your email.
Although there is no change to your shift pattern we ask that you tick to agree that you have read this letter as confirmation of your shift pattern moving forwards. Your service will be continuous and there are no other changes to your terms and conditions.
If there are any further changes to shift patterns required in the future then we will discuss that with you at the time.”
It doesn’t exactly state if the statement was generic but it does say there are no other changes to your T&C’s. I don’t know why they felt the need to repeat the statement though.
So I think I’m ok to agree seen as I have the above in writing?
The document states “tick the box to agree to the changes”
Whereas in the email, it states
“tick to confirm you’ve read the letter”
I was thinking of replying with this
“Thank you for getting back to me, I really don’t feel comfortable ticking the letter as there is no changes to my shift pattern, but I can confirm that I have read the letter and understand that there is no change to my terms and conditions.”
What do you think?
Whereas in the email, it states
“tick to confirm you’ve read the letter”
I was thinking of replying with this
“Thank you for getting back to me, I really don’t feel comfortable ticking the letter as there is no changes to my shift pattern, but I can confirm that I have read the letter and understand that there is no change to my terms and conditions.”
What do you think?
ClaphamGT3 said:
Is there a reason why you can't simply arrange childcare like most couples who work broadly the same hours do?
Ah yes, child care for 9-5 while you sleep, and then child care from 5-9 while you work - so you don't have any time with your children.Work to live, don't live to work.
usn90 said:
The document states “tick the box to agree to the changes”
Whereas in the email, it states
“tick to confirm you’ve read the letter”
I was thinking of replying with this
“Thank you for getting back to me, I really don’t feel comfortable ticking the letter as there is no changes to my shift pattern, but I can confirm that I have read the letter and understand that there is no change to my terms and conditions.”
What do you think?
That's not going to work. Unfortunately - genuinely - your discomfort in signing changes nothing.Whereas in the email, it states
“tick to confirm you’ve read the letter”
I was thinking of replying with this
“Thank you for getting back to me, I really don’t feel comfortable ticking the letter as there is no changes to my shift pattern, but I can confirm that I have read the letter and understand that there is no change to my terms and conditions.”
What do you think?
usn90 said:
Ok so I emailed HR, along the lines of the following
1- why I need to sign considering there no change
2- is the statement about changing hours generic or a change of terms
3. Continuous service
Response
“Thanks for your email.
Although there is no change to your shift pattern we ask that you tick to agree that you have read this letter as confirmation of your shift pattern moving forwards. Your service will be continuous and there are no other changes to your terms and conditions.
If there are any further changes to shift patterns required in the future then we will discuss that with you at the time.”
It doesn’t exactly state if the statement was generic but it does say there are no other changes to your T&C’s. I don’t know why they felt the need to repeat the statement though.
So I think I’m ok to agree seen as I have the above in writing?
So your contract has not really changed as in you still have written confirmation of what hours are you working and it works for you. The bit at the end about future changes, it's not really different to your current contract from what you have posted here. Any change to written contract requires agreement from both parties. In this case, if you refuse then company may need to make redundancy payments (I emphasise "may" as can depend on your contact). 1- why I need to sign considering there no change
2- is the statement about changing hours generic or a change of terms
3. Continuous service
Response
“Thanks for your email.
Although there is no change to your shift pattern we ask that you tick to agree that you have read this letter as confirmation of your shift pattern moving forwards. Your service will be continuous and there are no other changes to your terms and conditions.
If there are any further changes to shift patterns required in the future then we will discuss that with you at the time.”
It doesn’t exactly state if the statement was generic but it does say there are no other changes to your T&C’s. I don’t know why they felt the need to repeat the statement though.
So I think I’m ok to agree seen as I have the above in writing?
Have you had any other problems at work? Unfair dismissal may sound glsmaarous but maybe a stretch here based on information you have shared here...
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