Getting no where applying for roles
Discussion
lyonspride said:
TheAngryDog said:
okgo said:
"The most recent one was very much BS and I just don't think my face fitted."
Have you read back through your posts? They are all like this, you're the victim, constantly. Do you think you're exhibiting the wrong attitude in interviews? Because if you haven't noticed how you come across on here, it's very likely you're giving off a vibe in person too.
I don't think I am the victim at all, but I can see how that may come across. I know my failings, I know what I need to improve on and I know certain decisions that I have made during my working life have got me where I am today, rather than where I could have been. Have you read back through your posts? They are all like this, you're the victim, constantly. Do you think you're exhibiting the wrong attitude in interviews? Because if you haven't noticed how you come across on here, it's very likely you're giving off a vibe in person too.
I'd like to think that I come across well in interviews, but I aren't the best judge of that.
What I am learning though is that obviously I aren't as experienced etc as I thought I was, so I need to change that. I just don't know how.
TheAngryDog said:
lyonspride said:
TheAngryDog said:
okgo said:
"The most recent one was very much BS and I just don't think my face fitted."
Have you read back through your posts? They are all like this, you're the victim, constantly. Do you think you're exhibiting the wrong attitude in interviews? Because if you haven't noticed how you come across on here, it's very likely you're giving off a vibe in person too.
I don't think I am the victim at all, but I can see how that may come across. I know my failings, I know what I need to improve on and I know certain decisions that I have made during my working life have got me where I am today, rather than where I could have been. Have you read back through your posts? They are all like this, you're the victim, constantly. Do you think you're exhibiting the wrong attitude in interviews? Because if you haven't noticed how you come across on here, it's very likely you're giving off a vibe in person too.
I'd like to think that I come across well in interviews, but I aren't the best judge of that.
What I am learning though is that obviously I aren't as experienced etc as I thought I was, so I need to change that. I just don't know how.
Thanks. I actually manage the IT for my company as well as manage the service desk. My experience is all in Windows, oracle cloud, azure, office365 etc, but not got involved in terraform etc yet.
My plan is to undertake the Azure exams and courses, but it's no substitute for experience.
My plan is to undertake the Azure exams and courses, but it's no substitute for experience.
Apologies if someone has mentioned this already, free Azure as well as other fundamentals training courses and some of the courses include a free exam.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/events/training-da...
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/events/training-da...
Ridealong said:
Apologies if someone has mentioned this already, free Azure as well as other fundamentals training courses and some of the courses include a free exam.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/events/training-da...
Thanks, that is useful, much appreciated.https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/events/training-da...
In other news, I am having a final interview on Friday for a role. This will be about the 4th or 5th final interview so hopefully something comes of this one!
Just thought I would share my story as I was in a similar situation just over 2 years ago.
I have been in my current role for 2 years this week. I am very happy in my current role and whilst I could get better money elsewhere, the money is enough, the people I work with are great and I can't be going through all that ballache of interviewing again.
It too me over 6 months to get this job. January 2019 I was let go from my previous job after 1 year 11 months. I will admit my CV is quite good and I never had problems getting 1st or 2nd interview, however I was not very good at the interviews especially when the role was outside my comfort level. Prior to that previous job, I had never had to interview for a role as I was working for the same people since 1999. It took me a while to get the previous job as I was still employed and was cherry picking. This is where I also found out how bad I was at interviews.
For one of the roles (final interview) - Create 2 presentations. One was about myself and one was for a product/solution. I right royally ballsed both those up. The one about myself, I create a my life story presentation. Definitely not what they were after and the product one, well the less said about that the better. You learn from your mistakes.
When I lost my previous job, I was applying for everything. As one of the previous posters was saying, job hunting is a a full time role. There was the applying, speaking to recruiters, researching the companies and then once you heard from them doing the prep work. Prep work could be anything from just finding out more about the company to creating presentations. AT the start I was applying for lots of roles each day, as time moved on it ended up being closer to 2 or 3 a day as I has already applied and failed at the others. As it was all pre COVID most of the interviews were face to face and in some cases quite a bit of travel was involved as well. I had lots of interviews and every one of them I failed to get except the one where I am at now.
From some recruiters I got good feedback and made sure I applied that in subsequent interviews, however from most, I didnt get anything constructive back.
There is a good possibility I may have been offered another role I was mid way through as I only had the final interview to go and they were very keen, It was also paying a lot more, however I pulled out as I did not want to miss this opportunity. Looking on LinkedIn, the person who would have been my manager is no longer there. In fact at a number of the organisations, the person who would have been my manager left within 6 months. Where I am at the moment, a lot of the staff have been here 5 years, 10years or more. I started August 2019, so 7 months from being let go from my previous role.
With regards to my current role, with the spec I received, I definitely did not meet all the requirements. I didnt try and pretend I did, but I played to my strengths and it turned out I was exactly what they were looking for and the spec was wishful thinking and to try and get as many fancy words in as possible.
Basically chin up and keep plugging away. Your ideal role is out there, it might just take a little while.
I have been in my current role for 2 years this week. I am very happy in my current role and whilst I could get better money elsewhere, the money is enough, the people I work with are great and I can't be going through all that ballache of interviewing again.
It too me over 6 months to get this job. January 2019 I was let go from my previous job after 1 year 11 months. I will admit my CV is quite good and I never had problems getting 1st or 2nd interview, however I was not very good at the interviews especially when the role was outside my comfort level. Prior to that previous job, I had never had to interview for a role as I was working for the same people since 1999. It took me a while to get the previous job as I was still employed and was cherry picking. This is where I also found out how bad I was at interviews.
For one of the roles (final interview) - Create 2 presentations. One was about myself and one was for a product/solution. I right royally ballsed both those up. The one about myself, I create a my life story presentation. Definitely not what they were after and the product one, well the less said about that the better. You learn from your mistakes.
When I lost my previous job, I was applying for everything. As one of the previous posters was saying, job hunting is a a full time role. There was the applying, speaking to recruiters, researching the companies and then once you heard from them doing the prep work. Prep work could be anything from just finding out more about the company to creating presentations. AT the start I was applying for lots of roles each day, as time moved on it ended up being closer to 2 or 3 a day as I has already applied and failed at the others. As it was all pre COVID most of the interviews were face to face and in some cases quite a bit of travel was involved as well. I had lots of interviews and every one of them I failed to get except the one where I am at now.
From some recruiters I got good feedback and made sure I applied that in subsequent interviews, however from most, I didnt get anything constructive back.
There is a good possibility I may have been offered another role I was mid way through as I only had the final interview to go and they were very keen, It was also paying a lot more, however I pulled out as I did not want to miss this opportunity. Looking on LinkedIn, the person who would have been my manager is no longer there. In fact at a number of the organisations, the person who would have been my manager left within 6 months. Where I am at the moment, a lot of the staff have been here 5 years, 10years or more. I started August 2019, so 7 months from being let go from my previous role.
With regards to my current role, with the spec I received, I definitely did not meet all the requirements. I didnt try and pretend I did, but I played to my strengths and it turned out I was exactly what they were looking for and the spec was wishful thinking and to try and get as many fancy words in as possible.
Basically chin up and keep plugging away. Your ideal role is out there, it might just take a little while.
Spoke to a half decent recruiter earlier today, called me about a job which there was no way I could commute to, I said i'd not been having much luck, he said that i've got too much experience.
I asked if this is because they think i'll leave as soon as something else comes a long, he said "not really, hiring managers just don't want experienced people, because they're not willing to learn, ask too many questions and won't do certain tasks"
I spent my 2 decades learning and gaining experience, because of all the jobs I saw that wanted experience, and NOW experience is a disability........ Could this country get any more screwed up? 40 odd and considered "over the hill".
lyonspride said:
Spoke to a half decent recruiter earlier today, called me about a job which there was no way I could commute to, I said i'd not been having much luck, he said that i've got too much experience.
I asked if this is because they think i'll leave as soon as something else comes a long, he said "not really, hiring managers just don't want experienced people, because they're not willing to learn, ask too many questions and won't do certain tasks"
I spent my 2 decades learning and gaining experience, because of all the jobs I saw that wanted experience, and NOW experience is a disability........ Could this country get any more screwed up? 40 odd and considered "over the hill".
I'm 55 and don't have a problem.I asked if this is because they think i'll leave as soon as something else comes a long, he said "not really, hiring managers just don't want experienced people, because they're not willing to learn, ask too many questions and won't do certain tasks"
I spent my 2 decades learning and gaining experience, because of all the jobs I saw that wanted experience, and NOW experience is a disability........ Could this country get any more screwed up? 40 odd and considered "over the hill".
It's about attitude I think, more than age, and that should be communicable to an employer. But you might need to put in some extra work to get the interview when older?
One reason I set up my own business is that I know for a fact, there is zero chance of keeping up any pretence for even the length of the interview, that I'm not by nature an entitled, bossy, control-freak.
To be honest, I wouldn't employ someone of any age who had been an entrepreneur for much the same reason. It's not strictly about age, but it often correlates, that with experience comes strong opinions and assertiveness. And thats sometimes, but not always, useful for an employer.
One reason I set up my own business is that I know for a fact, there is zero chance of keeping up any pretence for even the length of the interview, that I'm not by nature an entitled, bossy, control-freak.
To be honest, I wouldn't employ someone of any age who had been an entrepreneur for much the same reason. It's not strictly about age, but it often correlates, that with experience comes strong opinions and assertiveness. And thats sometimes, but not always, useful for an employer.
lizardbrain said:
It's about attitude I think, more than age, and that should be communicable to an employer. But you might need to put in some extra work to get the interview when older?
One reason I set up my own business is that I know for a fact, there is zero chance of keeping up any pretence for even the length of the interview, that I'm not by nature an entitled, bossy, control-freak.
To be honest, I wouldn't employ someone of any age who had been an entrepreneur for much the same reason. It's not strictly about age, but it often correlates, that with experience comes strong opinions and assertiveness. And thats sometimes, but not always, useful for an employer.
I wrote something similar earlier in the thread I think but what you don't see from an advert or often from an interview is the team mix or the reasons for hiring. If you have a team with plenty of experience sometimes the manager may want a younger upstart to shake things up, I next some new ideas, bring about some new energy, etc etc. One reason I set up my own business is that I know for a fact, there is zero chance of keeping up any pretence for even the length of the interview, that I'm not by nature an entitled, bossy, control-freak.
To be honest, I wouldn't employ someone of any age who had been an entrepreneur for much the same reason. It's not strictly about age, but it often correlates, that with experience comes strong opinions and assertiveness. And thats sometimes, but not always, useful for an employer.
Gerradi said:
Angry, tuck that lovely M5 away wait for better times, good luck in obtaining your dream job my friend! ....( ex Amg 55) bud bud!
Hahaha, cheers! I think whatever happens it'll be going, need a break from expensive cars!Thanks again everyone up to now. I am going to be taking a break from job applications if things don't work with the current two. I have an informal chat coming up with one, and I find out the result of another interview later hopefully.
The feedback that I have been getting lately is that I come across well (no mullet lol) and that I am good technically, but lack experience in some of the things that they need. Fair enough and it gives me something to aim for, though I aren't sure how to get the experience if no one will give me the job to get the experience, but that's for another day
.TheAngryDog said:
Hahaha, cheers! I think whatever happens it'll be going, need a break from expensive cars!
Thanks again everyone up to now. I am going to be taking a break from job applications if things don't work with the current two. I have an informal chat coming up with one, and I find out the result of another interview later hopefully.
The feedback that I have been getting lately is that I come across well (no mullet lol) and that I am good technically, but lack experience in some of the things that they need. Fair enough and it gives me something to aim for, though I aren't sure how to get the experience if no one will give me the job to get the experience, but that's for another day.
Getting experience outside your job role - a few ideas.Thanks again everyone up to now. I am going to be taking a break from job applications if things don't work with the current two. I have an informal chat coming up with one, and I find out the result of another interview later hopefully.
The feedback that I have been getting lately is that I come across well (no mullet lol) and that I am good technically, but lack experience in some of the things that they need. Fair enough and it gives me something to aim for, though I aren't sure how to get the experience if no one will give me the job to get the experience, but that's for another day
.Contribute to some open-source projects. Doesn't always have to be pure code - they may welcome someone to take care of the toolchain or the build servers. Or even manage their website - whatever skill it is you can bring.
Similar - ask around local charities. Need to be careful as a lot will just want an "IT Fixer" who is actually a general errand boy (change a lightbulb? Fix a door handle? Etc.). Maybe one of the big more corporate ones. Who often employ their own IT team, but you may be able to be persuasive that a second pair of eyes that they get for free is useful.
Ask your friends and former colleagues - see if any of them have setup on their own. Some of them may welcome a bit of extra help of an evening or a weekend.
Do something "skunk works" at work. Either literally off your own bat, or potentially find someone outside your direct chain of command to sponsor/mentor/whatever you want to call it.
Stick a fork in me for I am done.
Had 2 interviews for a role, recruiter told me everything was positive, they'd told him that they were going to offer me the job. He of course told me (maybe he shouldn't have). Happy days, found a job I wanted to do.
This was last week.
Today still no offer. "Oh, that's because the person who managed the department is no longer managing the department, and the new manager thinks you're missing some things technically, so while they were really positive about you etc, they've decided to withdraw".
Oh.
You'd think that this reshuffle had been decided before my interview last Wednesday, so why waste my time?
So that's it, I've officially had enough of job hunting for now.
Had 2 interviews for a role, recruiter told me everything was positive, they'd told him that they were going to offer me the job. He of course told me (maybe he shouldn't have). Happy days, found a job I wanted to do.
This was last week.
Today still no offer. "Oh, that's because the person who managed the department is no longer managing the department, and the new manager thinks you're missing some things technically, so while they were really positive about you etc, they've decided to withdraw".
Oh.
You'd think that this reshuffle had been decided before my interview last Wednesday, so why waste my time?
So that's it, I've officially had enough of job hunting for now.
TheAngryDog said:
Stick a fork in me for I am done.
Had 2 interviews for a role, recruiter told me everything was positive, they'd told him that they were going to offer me the job. He of course told me (maybe he shouldn't have). Happy days, found a job I wanted to do.
This was last week.
Today still no offer. "Oh, that's because the person who managed the department is no longer managing the department, and the new manager thinks you're missing some things technically, so while they were really positive about you etc, they've decided to withdraw".
Oh.
You'd think that this reshuffle had been decided before my interview last Wednesday, so why waste my time?
So that's it, I've officially had enough of job hunting for now.
Most recruiters are completely full of BS (not all, but most) and are just trying to push as many candidates as they can towards a position in the hope of making a score on the finders fee if one of their candidates gets the job. Quite often they have absolutely no idea whatsoever about the technical side (in an IT context) and will happily recommend people who are totally unsuitable for the position just to get the numbers in their favour,Had 2 interviews for a role, recruiter told me everything was positive, they'd told him that they were going to offer me the job. He of course told me (maybe he shouldn't have). Happy days, found a job I wanted to do.
This was last week.
Today still no offer. "Oh, that's because the person who managed the department is no longer managing the department, and the new manager thinks you're missing some things technically, so while they were really positive about you etc, they've decided to withdraw".
Oh.
You'd think that this reshuffle had been decided before my interview last Wednesday, so why waste my time?
So that's it, I've officially had enough of job hunting for now.
To that end, they'll say whatever it takes to get you to apply and keep you interested even if it's clearly not the job for you.
You just have to play the game, look at the requirements that the job has (as listed by the employer, not what the recruiter tells you - get them to send you the details) and choose the ones you are actually suited for. And not take anything for granted until you get the actual job offer.
Over time you will learn to pick out the good recruiters and maybe even use them again when moving jobs.
Lucas Ayde said:
TheAngryDog said:
Stick a fork in me for I am done.
Had 2 interviews for a role, recruiter told me everything was positive, they'd told him that they were going to offer me the job. He of course told me (maybe he shouldn't have). Happy days, found a job I wanted to do.
This was last week.
Today still no offer. "Oh, that's because the person who managed the department is no longer managing the department, and the new manager thinks you're missing some things technically, so while they were really positive about you etc, they've decided to withdraw".
Oh.
You'd think that this reshuffle had been decided before my interview last Wednesday, so why waste my time?
So that's it, I've officially had enough of job hunting for now.
Most recruiters are completely full of BS (not all, but most) and are just trying to push as many candidates as they can towards a position in the hope of making a score on the finders fee if one of their candidates gets the job. Quite often they have absolutely no idea whatsoever about the technical side (in an IT context) and will happily recommend people who are totally unsuitable for the position just to get the numbers in their favour,Had 2 interviews for a role, recruiter told me everything was positive, they'd told him that they were going to offer me the job. He of course told me (maybe he shouldn't have). Happy days, found a job I wanted to do.
This was last week.
Today still no offer. "Oh, that's because the person who managed the department is no longer managing the department, and the new manager thinks you're missing some things technically, so while they were really positive about you etc, they've decided to withdraw".
Oh.
You'd think that this reshuffle had been decided before my interview last Wednesday, so why waste my time?
So that's it, I've officially had enough of job hunting for now.
To that end, they'll say whatever it takes to get you to apply and keep you interested even if it's clearly not the job for you.
You just have to play the game, look at the requirements that the job has (as listed by the employer, not what the recruiter tells you - get them to send you the details) and choose the ones you are actually suited for. And not take anything for granted until you get the actual job offer.
Over time you will learn to pick out the good recruiters and maybe even use them again when moving jobs.
I need a break, reset, get back into a good place mentally as this process has rocked me and go again after some re-evaluation and extra learning.
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