Getting no where applying for roles
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I feel for you mate, I really do.
The new head of department probably has his own ideas what the job requirements are and what sort of person he’s looking for.
The timing leaves a lot to be desired though.
It won’t make you feel any better but back in the summer I had a telephone screening with the hiring manager which went ok, a Zoom call with the manager which must have gone ok, a Zoom with the legal counsel, which seemed to go ok, a presentation to the hiring manager which went ok followed by a Zoom with the COO who seemed to take against me. The recruiter reckoned I had an 80% chance of getting the job. I was rejected as “a poor organisational fit”, whatever that means.
The new head of department probably has his own ideas what the job requirements are and what sort of person he’s looking for.
The timing leaves a lot to be desired though.
It won’t make you feel any better but back in the summer I had a telephone screening with the hiring manager which went ok, a Zoom call with the manager which must have gone ok, a Zoom with the legal counsel, which seemed to go ok, a presentation to the hiring manager which went ok followed by a Zoom with the COO who seemed to take against me. The recruiter reckoned I had an 80% chance of getting the job. I was rejected as “a poor organisational fit”, whatever that means.
spikeyhead said:
lyonspride said:
Spoke to a half decent recruiter earlier today, called me about a job which there was no way I could commute to, I said i'd not been having much luck, he said that i've got too much experience.
I asked if this is because they think i'll leave as soon as something else comes a long, he said "not really, hiring managers just don't want experienced people, because they're not willing to learn, ask too many questions and won't do certain tasks"
I spent my 2 decades learning and gaining experience, because of all the jobs I saw that wanted experience, and NOW experience is a disability........ Could this country get any more screwed up? 40 odd and considered "over the hill".
I'm 55 and don't have a problem.I asked if this is because they think i'll leave as soon as something else comes a long, he said "not really, hiring managers just don't want experienced people, because they're not willing to learn, ask too many questions and won't do certain tasks"
I spent my 2 decades learning and gaining experience, because of all the jobs I saw that wanted experience, and NOW experience is a disability........ Could this country get any more screwed up? 40 odd and considered "over the hill".
The very last one had formal tests as part of the interview. Nobody was hired if they didn't score high enough.
CoupeKid said:
I feel for you mate, I really do.
The new head of department probably has his own ideas what the job requirements are and what sort of person he’s looking for.
The timing leaves a lot to be desired though.
It won’t make you feel any better but back in the summer I had a telephone screening with the hiring manager which went ok, a Zoom call with the manager which must have gone ok, a Zoom with the legal counsel, which seemed to go ok, a presentation to the hiring manager which went ok followed by a Zoom with the COO who seemed to take against me. The recruiter reckoned I had an 80% chance of getting the job. I was rejected as “a poor organisational fit”, whatever that means.
Cheers. Just something else to chalk down to experience. It staggers me how companies think they can get away with it, and often they can. The new head of department probably has his own ideas what the job requirements are and what sort of person he’s looking for.
The timing leaves a lot to be desired though.
It won’t make you feel any better but back in the summer I had a telephone screening with the hiring manager which went ok, a Zoom call with the manager which must have gone ok, a Zoom with the legal counsel, which seemed to go ok, a presentation to the hiring manager which went ok followed by a Zoom with the COO who seemed to take against me. The recruiter reckoned I had an 80% chance of getting the job. I was rejected as “a poor organisational fit”, whatever that means.
Definitely doesn't make me feel any better, companies shouldn't be allowed to treat people like that. There isn't any recourse to it so they're just free to do what they want sadly.
TheAngryDog said:
CoupeKid said:
I feel for you mate, I really do.
The new head of department probably has his own ideas what the job requirements are and what sort of person he’s looking for.
The timing leaves a lot to be desired though.
It won’t make you feel any better but back in the summer I had a telephone screening with the hiring manager which went ok, a Zoom call with the manager which must have gone ok, a Zoom with the legal counsel, which seemed to go ok, a presentation to the hiring manager which went ok followed by a Zoom with the COO who seemed to take against me. The recruiter reckoned I had an 80% chance of getting the job. I was rejected as “a poor organisational fit”, whatever that means.
Cheers. Just something else to chalk down to experience. It staggers me how companies think they can get away with it, and often they can. The new head of department probably has his own ideas what the job requirements are and what sort of person he’s looking for.
The timing leaves a lot to be desired though.
It won’t make you feel any better but back in the summer I had a telephone screening with the hiring manager which went ok, a Zoom call with the manager which must have gone ok, a Zoom with the legal counsel, which seemed to go ok, a presentation to the hiring manager which went ok followed by a Zoom with the COO who seemed to take against me. The recruiter reckoned I had an 80% chance of getting the job. I was rejected as “a poor organisational fit”, whatever that means.
Definitely doesn't make me feel any better, companies shouldn't be allowed to treat people like that. There isn't any recourse to it so they're just free to do what they want sadly.
Consider it as a bullet dodged.
TheAngryDog said:
Stick a fork in me for I am done.
Had 2 interviews for a role, recruiter told me everything was positive, they'd told him that they were going to offer me the job. He of course told me (maybe he shouldn't have). Happy days, found a job I wanted to do.
This was last week.
Today still no offer. "Oh, that's because the person who managed the department is no longer managing the department, and the new manager thinks you're missing some things technically, so while they were really positive about you etc, they've decided to withdraw".
Oh.
You'd think that this reshuffle had been decided before my interview last Wednesday, so why waste my time?
So that's it, I've officially had enough of job hunting for now.
As disheartening as it is, if anything, it’s time to redouble your efforts!Had 2 interviews for a role, recruiter told me everything was positive, they'd told him that they were going to offer me the job. He of course told me (maybe he shouldn't have). Happy days, found a job I wanted to do.
This was last week.
Today still no offer. "Oh, that's because the person who managed the department is no longer managing the department, and the new manager thinks you're missing some things technically, so while they were really positive about you etc, they've decided to withdraw".
Oh.
You'd think that this reshuffle had been decided before my interview last Wednesday, so why waste my time?
So that's it, I've officially had enough of job hunting for now.
You need to conduct a full review of your current strategy as it’s clearly not working as intended. Without any review, continuing to do what you’re currently doing may continue to keep giving you the same result.
Identify the themes for your current approach (job type/seniority level/industry etc) and then attempt to break that cycle, as challenging and uncomfortable as it may be. Switch industries. Try different levels. Look at jobs that you may have previously dismissed.
Good luck!
<Rant>I had a first round interview at a company a fortnight ago. Went really well. Interviewer had similar background to me. We got on well. I had the skills and experience for the job. She said she would definitely arrange a second round with me. Then it all went quiet, so I followed up last week and was told they were still working through interviews. Last night the job was still on their website but this morning I got an email saying they've filled it.
I get it. These things happen. Perhaps I'm male, stale and pale and they found enough other people to take to a second round but why not tell me earlier?
If it had been some normal, rubbish employer I'd have thought nothing much of it but this is supposed to be a B Corporation and a great place to work which I feel has treated me with a lack of integrity and professionalism.
Mrs CK works for a university. There there is a clear closing date for applications. If you are successful for an interview there's a panel interview and all candidates are interviewed on the same day. Then they make a decision and tell the interviewees. She can't believe the dogs dinner of a process that the private sector make of recruitment.
I'm so disillusioned at the moment I'm on the verge of quitting my white collar job to re-train as a bus driver.</Rant>
I get it. These things happen. Perhaps I'm male, stale and pale and they found enough other people to take to a second round but why not tell me earlier?
If it had been some normal, rubbish employer I'd have thought nothing much of it but this is supposed to be a B Corporation and a great place to work which I feel has treated me with a lack of integrity and professionalism.
Mrs CK works for a university. There there is a clear closing date for applications. If you are successful for an interview there's a panel interview and all candidates are interviewed on the same day. Then they make a decision and tell the interviewees. She can't believe the dogs dinner of a process that the private sector make of recruitment.
I'm so disillusioned at the moment I'm on the verge of quitting my white collar job to re-train as a bus driver.</Rant>
CoupeKid said:
Mrs CK works for a university. There there is a clear closing date for applications. If you are successful for an interview there's a panel interview and all candidates are interviewed on the same day. Then they make a decision and tell the interviewees. She can't believe the dogs dinner of a process that the private sector make of recruitment.
Hmmm...apart from me, all the rest of my family work in the public sector. Most interview processes seem to end with either the internal candidate or someone's relative getting the job. And closing applications early seems to happen quite a bit.Well I’ve been offered a job and hope to hear about another one this afternoon. The second job is more appealing but not such a good package however I didn’t get a warm and fuzzy feeling from them when I said my goodbyes.
I’ve been looking for work since mid May when I knew my last contract wouldn’t be renewed and I’ve interviewed with over 30 companies although only a small proportion of them were suitable jobs.
I should be elated at being offered the job but actually it wouldn’t be my first choice. I keep getting knocked back from positions doing my first choice so I think I’ll have to accept I don’t have the experience or what it takes and I can’t get the experience without a job!
The first lot absolutely loved me which is a good start.
I’ve been looking for work since mid May when I knew my last contract wouldn’t be renewed and I’ve interviewed with over 30 companies although only a small proportion of them were suitable jobs.
I should be elated at being offered the job but actually it wouldn’t be my first choice. I keep getting knocked back from positions doing my first choice so I think I’ll have to accept I don’t have the experience or what it takes and I can’t get the experience without a job!
The first lot absolutely loved me which is a good start.
CoupeKid said:
I should be elated at being offered the job but actually it wouldn’t be my first choice. I keep getting knocked back from positions doing my first choice so I think I’ll have to accept I don’t have the experience or what it takes and I can’t get the experience without a job!
The first lot absolutely loved me which is a good start.
Congratulations. What does your gut feel say? That’s your answer.The first lot absolutely loved me which is a good start.
If you’re happy enough to do it then accept it and get on with life. A job is so much more than doing a set of tasks - if you get to work with a nice bunch of people it’s half the battle won. You can enjoy life again and get paid etc.
Remember that when you first start a job its never the same as when to decide to move on. The bit you remember about previous jobs is the “I’ve got the hang of it / I know everything” part and starting over again makes you feel like a total noob. Give it time.
What is it you really want to but don’t seem to get chance at? Is there any possibility you can do some of it in your new role being offered at a later stage?
A lot of jobs over time allow you to take the lead of something (once you’ve been there a while) and you can suggest “hey, I’d like to try giving this a go to achieve what the business needs” - maybe you can break into what you’d like this way. Just treat it as a project rather than your full time job.
I’ll try to keep this generic and vague to try not to give too much away.
Company 1 - auditing. Pros - decent package including a car and we could currently do with a second car. They’ve offered me a job. Seem to be decent, professional people. Good experience.
Cons - there’s a danger of punishing travel hours which is incompatible with family life. Possibly a bit repetitive and unsatisfactory. Not sure if there’s any way back to a “doing” job but there’s potential to move into consulting, which is my ultimate aim. People were rather negative about auditing in another thread in here but I’ve been audited twice and the job seems ok. I like working as part of a team and auditing seems a bit solitary.
Company 2 - it’s a doing/implementation job. Pros - lots to do and potential to gain a broad range of experience and get professionally qualified. Regular hours in the same office. I could move into auditing if I felt like it. Cons - f
k me they talk and meetings over run, they might be offering the job to someone else first as the recruiter couldn’t get hold of the hiring manager this afternoon, no car.
Company 1 - auditing. Pros - decent package including a car and we could currently do with a second car. They’ve offered me a job. Seem to be decent, professional people. Good experience.
Cons - there’s a danger of punishing travel hours which is incompatible with family life. Possibly a bit repetitive and unsatisfactory. Not sure if there’s any way back to a “doing” job but there’s potential to move into consulting, which is my ultimate aim. People were rather negative about auditing in another thread in here but I’ve been audited twice and the job seems ok. I like working as part of a team and auditing seems a bit solitary.
Company 2 - it’s a doing/implementation job. Pros - lots to do and potential to gain a broad range of experience and get professionally qualified. Regular hours in the same office. I could move into auditing if I felt like it. Cons - f
k me they talk and meetings over run, they might be offering the job to someone else first as the recruiter couldn’t get hold of the hiring manager this afternoon, no car. Company 1 for me.
Nice company, nice people, and they are paying you.
Travel sucks, but being paid for it helps, and that downtime allows you to use the time productively, i.e. the professional quals from Company 2. You dont HAVE to spend every night from 6pm on PornHub.
And it allows an amount of time for your self-esteem to replenish.
Nice company, nice people, and they are paying you.
Travel sucks, but being paid for it helps, and that downtime allows you to use the time productively, i.e. the professional quals from Company 2. You dont HAVE to spend every night from 6pm on PornHub.
And it allows an amount of time for your self-esteem to replenish.
Company 2 said they really liked me and had no doubt I could do the job but someone else they interviewed was even stronger so I’ve accepted the other company’s offer.
I keep getting knocked back for “doing” jobs as there’s always someone slightly more experienced than me so I could keep chasing the unattainable or change direction slightly, which is what I’ve done.
I keep getting knocked back for “doing” jobs as there’s always someone slightly more experienced than me so I could keep chasing the unattainable or change direction slightly, which is what I’ve done.
Congrats CK! I hope you're happy, but if not, remember it is always easier to find a job when you're in one, plus at least you're now earning!
What about me? Well after deciding I was going to put hunting on hold, I got contacted by a recruiter about a job (obviously). The short and tall of it is that I have been offered and accepted a new job which I am excited to be starting. It's going to be a new challenge that I am looking forward to taking on.
Thanks everyone for your input in this thread!
What about me? Well after deciding I was going to put hunting on hold, I got contacted by a recruiter about a job (obviously). The short and tall of it is that I have been offered and accepted a new job which I am excited to be starting. It's going to be a new challenge that I am looking forward to taking on.
Thanks everyone for your input in this thread!
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