Fear of moving jobs / dilema
Discussion
Just stumbled across this thread and completely understand the OP's thoughts. I am going through the same situation myself.
Been with the company since I left school, worked my way up etc. Its a company I love and I happen to really enjoy my job. I am now at a point where I am fairly skilled at my profession and the role is in demand. The stumbling block being that the pay is poor and theres little to no progression path unless people leave. I knew I was underpaid compared to the industry, but when a recruiter randomly messaged me linkedin pointed out that I was underpaid £15K a year, I nearly spat my coffee out. Been asking my employer to look at my pay for a year now, with the standard stalling tactics.
I have had 3 interviews. The first, I was seriously anxious about, feeling like I was being disloyal and the feeling of the "Unknown". My job is comfortable, safe and fairly easy, so what if the grass isn't greener on the other side?
I decided to battle through my anxiety with the believe that I knew another company will value me more and I will have the progression path I needed. Needless to say, I have been offered a role, with the £15K pay rise, which is massive. Told my boss, said I wanted to stay, even stating Id be willing to be flexible and meet in the middle. At the end of the day this is a company I love and ultimately haven't actively looked to leave. They want to keep me but have rejected the idea, which is partly understandable, but also a statement of how little they value me or my position and skillset.
There has been some real sound advice on this thread. The one thing I would ask the OP if they see themselves feeling the same way 12 months down the line? 2 years? If you do, then nothing will change unless you change. The resentment will only grow. I have come to a point where I realise change is not always a bad thing, and the employer/employee are just no longer aligned. Sometimes its best for a chapter to end and a new one to open.
Been with the company since I left school, worked my way up etc. Its a company I love and I happen to really enjoy my job. I am now at a point where I am fairly skilled at my profession and the role is in demand. The stumbling block being that the pay is poor and theres little to no progression path unless people leave. I knew I was underpaid compared to the industry, but when a recruiter randomly messaged me linkedin pointed out that I was underpaid £15K a year, I nearly spat my coffee out. Been asking my employer to look at my pay for a year now, with the standard stalling tactics.
I have had 3 interviews. The first, I was seriously anxious about, feeling like I was being disloyal and the feeling of the "Unknown". My job is comfortable, safe and fairly easy, so what if the grass isn't greener on the other side?
I decided to battle through my anxiety with the believe that I knew another company will value me more and I will have the progression path I needed. Needless to say, I have been offered a role, with the £15K pay rise, which is massive. Told my boss, said I wanted to stay, even stating Id be willing to be flexible and meet in the middle. At the end of the day this is a company I love and ultimately haven't actively looked to leave. They want to keep me but have rejected the idea, which is partly understandable, but also a statement of how little they value me or my position and skillset.
There has been some real sound advice on this thread. The one thing I would ask the OP if they see themselves feeling the same way 12 months down the line? 2 years? If you do, then nothing will change unless you change. The resentment will only grow. I have come to a point where I realise change is not always a bad thing, and the employer/employee are just no longer aligned. Sometimes its best for a chapter to end and a new one to open.
Vorsprung Durch Technik said:
Just stumbled across this thread and completely understand the OP's thoughts. I am going through the same situation myself.
Been with the company since I left school, worked my way up etc. Its a company I love and I happen to really enjoy my job. I am now at a point where I am fairly skilled at my profession and the role is in demand. The stumbling block being that the pay is poor and theres little to no progression path unless people leave. I knew I was underpaid compared to the industry, but when a recruiter randomly messaged me linkedin pointed out that I was underpaid £15K a year, I nearly spat my coffee out. Been asking my employer to look at my pay for a year now, with the standard stalling tactics.
I have had 3 interviews. The first, I was seriously anxious about, feeling like I was being disloyal and the feeling of the "Unknown". My job is comfortable, safe and fairly easy, so what if the grass isn't greener on the other side?
I decided to battle through my anxiety with the believe that I knew another company will value me more and I will have the progression path I needed. Needless to say, I have been offered a role, with the £15K pay rise, which is massive. Told my boss, said I wanted to stay, even stating Id be willing to be flexible and meet in the middle. At the end of the day this is a company I love and ultimately haven't actively looked to leave. They want to keep me but have rejected the idea, which is partly understandable, but also a statement of how little they value me or my position and skillset.
There has been some real sound advice on this thread. The one thing I would ask the OP if they see themselves feeling the same way 12 months down the line? 2 years? If you do, then nothing will change unless you change. The resentment will only grow. I have come to a point where I realise change is not always a bad thing, and the employer/employee are just no longer aligned. Sometimes its best for a chapter to end and a new one to open.
The way I read that, it that over the last say 3 years. you've let them steal at least £45k (minus the tax, which they avoided paying the HMRC ) off you, plus they stole the additional pension contributions off you. Been with the company since I left school, worked my way up etc. Its a company I love and I happen to really enjoy my job. I am now at a point where I am fairly skilled at my profession and the role is in demand. The stumbling block being that the pay is poor and theres little to no progression path unless people leave. I knew I was underpaid compared to the industry, but when a recruiter randomly messaged me linkedin pointed out that I was underpaid £15K a year, I nearly spat my coffee out. Been asking my employer to look at my pay for a year now, with the standard stalling tactics.
I have had 3 interviews. The first, I was seriously anxious about, feeling like I was being disloyal and the feeling of the "Unknown". My job is comfortable, safe and fairly easy, so what if the grass isn't greener on the other side?
I decided to battle through my anxiety with the believe that I knew another company will value me more and I will have the progression path I needed. Needless to say, I have been offered a role, with the £15K pay rise, which is massive. Told my boss, said I wanted to stay, even stating Id be willing to be flexible and meet in the middle. At the end of the day this is a company I love and ultimately haven't actively looked to leave. They want to keep me but have rejected the idea, which is partly understandable, but also a statement of how little they value me or my position and skillset.
There has been some real sound advice on this thread. The one thing I would ask the OP if they see themselves feeling the same way 12 months down the line? 2 years? If you do, then nothing will change unless you change. The resentment will only grow. I have come to a point where I realise change is not always a bad thing, and the employer/employee are just no longer aligned. Sometimes its best for a chapter to end and a new one to open.
And you let them do it.
We've all done it, so don't feel bad.
At the end of the day work is a 2 way exploitation.
They pay you as little as they can for the most work, and only offer what keeps the retention level at a sensible limit. For business continuity, they pay no more than they have to.
On the other hand, we all want to work for the most money we can get, with the least stress, and there is a balance that different people are prepared to put up with, in order to live.
We allow carrots to be dangled, because we perceive a long term benefit, to us. You know jam tomorrow. Always tomorrow. Maybe tomorrow.
I'm suggesting that we all need to be a bit more mercenary in our careers. Nothing wrong with knowing you are underpaid. If it leads to an easier life and more money. If you are getting some experience or training that is a worthwhile outcome.
LukeBrown66 said:
I am in a weird situation right now.
Got a job about 50 miles away from home, so commuted for about 6 weeks, it killed me awful routes, while also trying to find somewhere to live closer to work. With no success at all.
This has proved mega tough, I rent. I would say over 50% of stuff advertised is under offer after a day or so it seems, and loads have issues be they no parking, awful broadband, too small etc etc.
Company have been amazing, given me time off (unpaid) to try and sort it, but it is proving massively stressful, I feel really guilty for keeping them waiting, but the place has to be as right as I can put up with. The area is very expensive making it tougher.
Very weird situation and is stressing me hugely, not sleeping well etc, I seem to spend every waking hour on bloody Rightmove looking at the same few places wondering if I am being too choosy.
It's a bit of a bummer I must say.
If that’s the most stressful thing you have going on then I’d say you were doing ok personally Got a job about 50 miles away from home, so commuted for about 6 weeks, it killed me awful routes, while also trying to find somewhere to live closer to work. With no success at all.
This has proved mega tough, I rent. I would say over 50% of stuff advertised is under offer after a day or so it seems, and loads have issues be they no parking, awful broadband, too small etc etc.
Company have been amazing, given me time off (unpaid) to try and sort it, but it is proving massively stressful, I feel really guilty for keeping them waiting, but the place has to be as right as I can put up with. The area is very expensive making it tougher.
Very weird situation and is stressing me hugely, not sleeping well etc, I seem to spend every waking hour on bloody Rightmove looking at the same few places wondering if I am being too choosy.
It's a bit of a bummer I must say.
I got a new job the end of last year, proper stressed me out the complete notice period, they offered to match my new salary to stay and after being there 15 years I thought I was making a huge mistake.
Roll on 3 months in the new job and i love it, people are great, yes its not the biggest global company in logistics i work for now but that doesn't matter, some perks are worse, some are better but overall I'm happy and earn more money.
The people think well of me and I've had more encouragement and praise in the last 3 months than I had for the previous 5 years.
I wish id moved sooner, it may change but for now i cant believe is made myself near enough ill over the 3 month notice.
Roll on 3 months in the new job and i love it, people are great, yes its not the biggest global company in logistics i work for now but that doesn't matter, some perks are worse, some are better but overall I'm happy and earn more money.
The people think well of me and I've had more encouragement and praise in the last 3 months than I had for the previous 5 years.
I wish id moved sooner, it may change but for now i cant believe is made myself near enough ill over the 3 month notice.
Vorsprung Durch Technik said:
I decided to battle through my anxiety with the believe that I knew another company will value me more and I will have the progression path I needed. Needless to say, I have been offered a role, with the £15K pay rise, which is massive. Told my boss, said I wanted to stay, even stating Id be willing to be flexible and meet in the middle. At the end of the day this is a company I love and ultimately haven't actively looked to leave. They want to keep me but have rejected the idea, which is partly understandable, but also a statement of how little they value me or my position and skillset.
Eh! They want you to stay but aren’t prepared to give you a pay rise? Which part is even remotely understandable?
What planet are they coming from?
Good luck in your new job.
Update on this.
Accepted the job. £6k pay rise which is obviously nice. Obviously I'm bricking it as I'm so comfortable where I am but the advice on here really hit home. Change is only a good thing whether it works or not don't want to be a bitter 40+ year old if I don't make the move. Thanks all for the input.
Accepted the job. £6k pay rise which is obviously nice. Obviously I'm bricking it as I'm so comfortable where I am but the advice on here really hit home. Change is only a good thing whether it works or not don't want to be a bitter 40+ year old if I don't make the move. Thanks all for the input.
donnie85 said:
Update on this.
Accepted the job. £6k pay rise which is obviously nice. Obviously I'm bricking it as I'm so comfortable where I am but the advice on here really hit home. Change is only a good thing whether it works or not don't want to be a bitter 40+ year old if I don't make the move. Thanks all for the input.
Enjoy it. Don't stressAccepted the job. £6k pay rise which is obviously nice. Obviously I'm bricking it as I'm so comfortable where I am but the advice on here really hit home. Change is only a good thing whether it works or not don't want to be a bitter 40+ year old if I don't make the move. Thanks all for the input.
donnie85 said:
Update on this.
Accepted the job. £6k pay rise which is obviously nice. Obviously I'm bricking it as I'm so comfortable where I am but the advice on here really hit home. Change is only a good thing whether it works or not don't want to be a bitter 40+ year old if I don't make the move. Thanks all for the input.
Congrats. I'm pleased for you. I'm sure you'll be fine.Accepted the job. £6k pay rise which is obviously nice. Obviously I'm bricking it as I'm so comfortable where I am but the advice on here really hit home. Change is only a good thing whether it works or not don't want to be a bitter 40+ year old if I don't make the move. Thanks all for the input.
Pit Pony said:
Just been contacted by a previous boss about a role that he thinks I'd be really good at. The bloke he's describing doesn't sound like the person that I think I am. Tells me he thought of me, because I'm tenacious, won't take no for an answer, and use data to prove my point, find improvements etc.
There's obviously alot of imposter syndrome in my head, because I imagine myself to be quite weak, lazy and willing to go with the flow.
I await an interview date.
Sounds like he knows the old you, before you became a head down, don't speak, don't have an opinion, don't ask questions, shell of your former self.There's obviously alot of imposter syndrome in my head, because I imagine myself to be quite weak, lazy and willing to go with the flow.
I await an interview date.
I mean no offence by this, I do come across the "employee mentality" a lot, I see guys who are very clearly p*ssed off with doing things in an inefficient way because they're told to, yet they stay and allow people to drain their confidence.
I'll be honest, until 5 years ago I had very little confidence in my abilities, but then I got a job where I reported only to the owner of the company, I worked on some big projects and every single one went well, the outcome was always exactly what I wanted. I then realised that in my previous role it wasn't me that caused things to fail, it was other people interfering or even deliberately sabotaging everything I worked on, I never got the results I wanted and everything felt like a failure............
But now? now i'm confident in my abilities, I constantly remind myself of what I previously achieved, and people get SO mad that they can't gaslight me into self doubt now, yes it may cost me a job here and there, but I'd rather the dole queue than working for people who want to control how I think and feel about my own abilities.
lyonspride said:
Pit Pony said:
Just been contacted by a previous boss about a role that he thinks I'd be really good at. The bloke he's describing doesn't sound like the person that I think I am. Tells me he thought of me, because I'm tenacious, won't take no for an answer, and use data to prove my point, find improvements etc.
There's obviously alot of imposter syndrome in my head, because I imagine myself to be quite weak, lazy and willing to go with the flow.
I await an interview date.
Sounds like he knows the old you, before you became a head down, don't speak, don't have an opinion, don't ask questions, shell of your former self.There's obviously alot of imposter syndrome in my head, because I imagine myself to be quite weak, lazy and willing to go with the flow.
I await an interview date.
I mean no offence by this, I do come across the "employee mentality" a lot, I see guys who are very clearly p*ssed off with doing things in an inefficient way because they're told to, yet they stay and allow people to drain their confidence.
I'll be honest, until 5 years ago I had very little confidence in my abilities, but then I got a job where I reported only to the owner of the company, I worked on some big projects and every single one went well, the outcome was always exactly what I wanted. I then realised that in my previous role it wasn't me that caused things to fail, it was other people interfering or even deliberately sabotaging everything I worked on, I never got the results I wanted and everything felt like a failure............
But now? now i'm confident in my abilities, I constantly remind myself of what I previously achieved, and people get SO mad that they can't gaslight me into self doubt now, yes it may cost me a job here and there, but I'd rather the dole queue than working for people who want to control how I think and feel about my own abilities.
It seems his description of what he sees me doing, and which exactly meets my ability and that I would shine at, is not the same job that his boss thinks he should be recruiting for. I don't think I impressed his boss at all.
I gave it my best shot, and hope that he has the ability to tell his boss, to let him his own mistakes.
We shall see.
The most irritating bit was questioning why I'm motivated to jump out of being a LTD company contractor into a permie job.
I should just have said. The salary package you are likely to offer would make it a no brainer. I'm in it for the money, and I'll do what it takes for you to keep paying that money.
Pit Pony said:
lyonspride said:
Pit Pony said:
Just been contacted by a previous boss about a role that he thinks I'd be really good at. The bloke he's describing doesn't sound like the person that I think I am. Tells me he thought of me, because I'm tenacious, won't take no for an answer, and use data to prove my point, find improvements etc.
There's obviously alot of imposter syndrome in my head, because I imagine myself to be quite weak, lazy and willing to go with the flow.
I await an interview date.
Sounds like he knows the old you, before you became a head down, don't speak, don't have an opinion, don't ask questions, shell of your former self.There's obviously alot of imposter syndrome in my head, because I imagine myself to be quite weak, lazy and willing to go with the flow.
I await an interview date.
I mean no offence by this, I do come across the "employee mentality" a lot, I see guys who are very clearly p*ssed off with doing things in an inefficient way because they're told to, yet they stay and allow people to drain their confidence.
I'll be honest, until 5 years ago I had very little confidence in my abilities, but then I got a job where I reported only to the owner of the company, I worked on some big projects and every single one went well, the outcome was always exactly what I wanted. I then realised that in my previous role it wasn't me that caused things to fail, it was other people interfering or even deliberately sabotaging everything I worked on, I never got the results I wanted and everything felt like a failure............
But now? now i'm confident in my abilities, I constantly remind myself of what I previously achieved, and people get SO mad that they can't gaslight me into self doubt now, yes it may cost me a job here and there, but I'd rather the dole queue than working for people who want to control how I think and feel about my own abilities.
It seems his description of what he sees me doing, and which exactly meets my ability and that I would shine at, is not the same job that his boss thinks he should be recruiting for. I don't think I impressed his boss at all.
I gave it my best shot, and hope that he has the ability to tell his boss, to let him his own mistakes.
We shall see.
The most irritating bit was questioning why I'm motivated to jump out of being a LTD company contractor into a permie job.
I should just have said. The salary package you are likely to offer would make it a no brainer. I'm in it for the money, and I'll do what it takes for you to keep paying that money.
CoupeKid said:
Vorsprung Durch Technik said:
I decided to battle through my anxiety with the believe that I knew another company will value me more and I will have the progression path I needed. Needless to say, I have been offered a role, with the £15K pay rise, which is massive. Told my boss, said I wanted to stay, even stating Id be willing to be flexible and meet in the middle. At the end of the day this is a company I love and ultimately haven't actively looked to leave. They want to keep me but have rejected the idea, which is partly understandable, but also a statement of how little they value me or my position and skillset.
Eh! They want you to stay but aren’t prepared to give you a pay rise? Which part is even remotely understandable?
What planet are they coming from?
Good luck in your new job.
I have finally handed in my notice and will be joining the new company in the new future.
OP - Congrats on your new role. I can only imagine the feelings you'd have been experiencing.
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