Is this employer request unreasonable?
Discussion
PurpleTurtle said:
I'm going to shout the OP's last response in bold because people don't seem to be getting it. It is nothing to do with insurance or mileage allowance
SHE IS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PICKING UP A STRANGE MAN AND HAVING HIM IN THE CAR - NOTHING ELSE
That may be her primary concern, but no, it very much is to do with insurance as well.SHE IS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PICKING UP A STRANGE MAN AND HAVING HIM IN THE CAR - NOTHING ELSE
OP, I think it's reasonable for her to not want to do this, and she has sensible, logical reasons she can give for why.
But I think not being able to advance this to a "find someone else to f
k with" stance could be a limiting element here.carl_w said:
Downward said:
As she is 18 assume business insurance may be a fair whack, Even if not the insurance will still charge their admin fee.
Many years ago when I worked for a consultancy (I think I was 23), they required me to visit client sites. As well as paying a mileage rate they paid the cost of upgrading my car insurance to business use. surveyor_101 said:
Hammersia said:
That's not what I said, at all.
No I know.........Thats why I asked if you would still go down if it was a young female manager?Hammersia said:
I don't understand the question, but it wouldn't matter what demographic the manager was, I would be down there in a professional, calm, legal manner explaining which way is up to them, yes.
You referred to the manager as a Greek Beast! Would you do this if it was a mid 20s petite female!Really, the manager has zero reason to listen or talk to you, she is 18 year adult woman, the employer does not need to discuss her terms of work with you. Step back and think about it she is not a school child.
She could claim GDPR and she can't discuss the matter with you, I don't think no matter how calm you are its going to go the way you think it. Also your undermining your offspring in the eyes of their employer.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 16th March 12:43
ZedLeg said:
TBH that would be a bad move anyway. When I was in management I would've thought it was weird and a bit sad that a parent felt the need to come in and talk on an employee's behalf. If the manager is already a bit of a bully, they'll be like a dog with a bone over it.
I agree but we aren't all on the same page....You have to allow for the pistonhead powerfully built directors, who have a plethora of tricks in their arsenal! No doubt he has a german whip with 4d plates, find out the managers address and the old frozen sausages hammered into the garden!
Hammersia said:
At that point as a dad I'd be off down to the shop and having it out with this gorgon, calmly, in front of witnesses. Your daughter is too young to deal with this.
She's 18. An adult.Do you think the OP should take her lunch down in a Barbie lunchbox too?
Part of growing up is learning how to resolve difficult situations. The OP should advise and nothing more.
surveyor_101 said:
You referred to the manager as a Greek Beast! Would you do this if it was a mid 20s petite female!
Really, the manager has zero reason to listen or talk to you, she is 18 year adult woman, the employer does not need to discuss her terms of work with you. Step back and think about it she is not a school child.
She could claim GDPR and she can't discuss the matter with you, I don't think no matter how calm you are its going to go the way you think it. Also your undermining your offspring in the eyes of their employer.
Complete nonsense, sorry.Really, the manager has zero reason to listen or talk to you, she is 18 year adult woman, the employer does not need to discuss her terms of work with you. Step back and think about it she is not a school child.
She could claim GDPR and she can't discuss the matter with you, I don't think no matter how calm you are its going to go the way you think it. Also your undermining your offspring in the eyes of their employer.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 16th March 12:43
surveyor_101 said:
Hammersia said:
At that point as a dad I'd be off down to the shop and having it out with this gorgon, calmly, in front of witnesses. Your daughter is too young to deal with this.
If the manager was female would you still go down there guns blazing??? Also calling them a gorgon!! 
Hammersia said:
Complete nonsense, sorry.
You are the one who seems to be full of nonsense, your adult offspring conditions of employment with a mobile phone brand has zero to do with you!The manager is no position to discuss her terms of employment with daddy! Wind you neck in fella!
GDPR applies as you can't call her GP and demand her medical history you twit, same her work patterns etc has nothing to do with you and manager is not legally allowed to share her working info with you.
Its all hypothetical at this stage but I assure you your not in position to do that
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 16th March 13:33
surveyor said:
Boys she has already done it.
Is it worth raising a fuss? That's down to how put on she feels I guess.
Now if it was me, I'd have jumped in by now. But that's also why my daughter might not tell me everything that goes on at work. It's swings and roundabouts.
I suspect the OP's issue now is that a precedent has been set and his 18yo daughter is going to be expected to be a free glorified Uber whenever this new bloke cannot get to his new workplace under his own steam, where she only works occasionally.Is it worth raising a fuss? That's down to how put on she feels I guess.
Now if it was me, I'd have jumped in by now. But that's also why my daughter might not tell me everything that goes on at work. It's swings and roundabouts.
It's a high street mobile phone store. The bloke isn't being asked to trek to Everest Base Camp. How hard can it be for a bloke in the modern world to get to a f
king place of retail work, without having to impose on an 18yo girl that he's never met!? It's preposterous that the situation should even exist, let alone that the OP's daughter should be having to deal with this clown.
surveyor_101 said:
Hammersia said:
Complete nonsense, sorry.
You are the one who seems to be full of nonsense, your adult offspring conditions of employment with a mobile phone brand has zero to do with you!The manager is no position to discuss her terms of employment with daddy! Wind you neck in fella!
GDPR applies as you can't call her GP and demand her medical history you twit, same her work patterns etc has nothing to do with you and manager is not legally allowed to share her working info with you.
Its all hypothetical at this stage but I assure you your not in position to do that
Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 16th March 13:33
a) The manager is female
b) The manager is breaching employment law (at the very least forcing a rideshare without insurance or comp)
c) The manager is a bully
d) The manager is not up to the job
e) It's likely the tip of the iceberg of what's going on in that workplace
Nothing to do with GDPR, these are factual non privileged conversations in front of witnesses and can be quoted as such.
Notwithstanding an employee can have a chaperone to any meeting that is disciplinary related if it goes that far.
18 year olds are not generally equipped to deal with this, I would step in.
surveyor_101 said:
GDPR applies as you can't call her GP and demand her medical history you twit, same her work patterns etc has nothing to do with you and manager is not legally allowed to share her working info with you.
I thought that if the data subject gives their permission then there's no issue sharing info (medical or otherwise)?The above being said it's never a good look for daddy to be button-holing the employer (unless there's something really wrong/untoward)
Edited by DodgyGeezer on Thursday 16th March 14:13
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