Promotion & salary conversation
Discussion
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Steve H said:
Mirinjawbro said:
never have, never will.
i learned 10-15 years ago about putting in all the sucking up and extra time and effort to get nothing. even if you do and you get the maybe 5-10k payrise not like the extra 400 a month take home changes much.
ive had 35-40 jobs in my life and nearly every single one has the same (all office ) . fake lying managers who say and do whatever it takes to make them selves look good to the ones above.
the people you think are friends but backstab you.
the promises
so now i do the minimum it takes and leave without a second thought. 10 ish years of doing this and i regret nothing (so far)
35-40 jobs and you keep coming across the same issues you say? i learned 10-15 years ago about putting in all the sucking up and extra time and effort to get nothing. even if you do and you get the maybe 5-10k payrise not like the extra 400 a month take home changes much.
ive had 35-40 jobs in my life and nearly every single one has the same (all office ) . fake lying managers who say and do whatever it takes to make them selves look good to the ones above.
the people you think are friends but backstab you.
the promises
so now i do the minimum it takes and leave without a second thought. 10 ish years of doing this and i regret nothing (so far)
OP - please don't listen to this "advice" - it may work for Mirinjawbro but out in the real world where people do want to get on and perhaps have a career and think that an extra £400 a month might be useful, there is much better advice. Have the conversation and discuss the salary. Preferably get something in writing if it is deferred, as people have said above.
Alternatively you can be a bit of a "work to rule, do the minimum" grumpy type of guy and then have to change jobs every year, at least you will get to meet lots of people.
ignore the advice - do the work and hope the managers "word" ends up coming true - let me tell you it probably wont
wont waste my time replying here anymore to nonsense like the above.
no wonder this world is down the drain
You can find out the going rate at other companies, across the world or in your local area, so easily.
Linked in and other recruitment websites,
do some key word searches.
Apply, get to talk to a recruitment consultant, tell them you want double what you are on now. See if they blink.
In the days before we had the Internet, it wasn't so easy.
What I'd do.
1) find out the market price for similar jobs.
2) Ask for a formal meeting with HR. Ask them what the pay will be.
3) if its in the ball park negotiate.
4) if its more than 10% out, laugh and tell them they are taking the piss.
I've recently gone from 12 year contracting, where I was turning over 2 times what I thought the permie salary would be, (about £40k in my head) but having to work away from home in the week, to searching out a permie job closer to home, and realised that typically the salary ranges for the job I do, from £30k to £75k depending on the company and the industry. And even within the same industry. But all within 45 minute comute.
Linked in and other recruitment websites,
do some key word searches.
Apply, get to talk to a recruitment consultant, tell them you want double what you are on now. See if they blink.
In the days before we had the Internet, it wasn't so easy.
What I'd do.
1) find out the market price for similar jobs.
2) Ask for a formal meeting with HR. Ask them what the pay will be.
3) if its in the ball park negotiate.
4) if its more than 10% out, laugh and tell them they are taking the piss.
I've recently gone from 12 year contracting, where I was turning over 2 times what I thought the permie salary would be, (about £40k in my head) but having to work away from home in the week, to searching out a permie job closer to home, and realised that typically the salary ranges for the job I do, from £30k to £75k depending on the company and the industry. And even within the same industry. But all within 45 minute comute.
Mirinjawbro said:
Steve H said:
35-40 jobs and you keep coming across the same issues you say?
or maybe i used to work in perm roles when younger. realised what most of them entail as above?and am now a contractor so do consultant project work = many jobs overall.
thankyou. warmest regards
I'm missing the contracting life a bit. Objectives, personal development plans, bulls
t meetings. Does it not depend on your definition of "job"?
Take me, for example, I've worked both staff and contact, for maybe 15-20 different employers.
But my job function has never changed, so I've done the same job for 30 odd years, it's just that I've just been paid by 15-20 different employers.
Staff people, when they change employer, tend to say they have a new job.
However, people who work contract, tend to say they have a new contract.
Take me, for example, I've worked both staff and contact, for maybe 15-20 different employers.
But my job function has never changed, so I've done the same job for 30 odd years, it's just that I've just been paid by 15-20 different employers.
Staff people, when they change employer, tend to say they have a new job.
However, people who work contract, tend to say they have a new contract.
Mirinjawbro said:
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Steve H said:
Mirinjawbro said:
never have, never will.
i learned 10-15 years ago about putting in all the sucking up and extra time and effort to get nothing. even if you do and you get the maybe 5-10k payrise not like the extra 400 a month take home changes much.
ive had 35-40 jobs in my life and nearly every single one has the same (all office ) . fake lying managers who say and do whatever it takes to make them selves look good to the ones above.
the people you think are friends but backstab you.
the promises
so now i do the minimum it takes and leave without a second thought. 10 ish years of doing this and i regret nothing (so far)
35-40 jobs and you keep coming across the same issues you say? i learned 10-15 years ago about putting in all the sucking up and extra time and effort to get nothing. even if you do and you get the maybe 5-10k payrise not like the extra 400 a month take home changes much.
ive had 35-40 jobs in my life and nearly every single one has the same (all office ) . fake lying managers who say and do whatever it takes to make them selves look good to the ones above.
the people you think are friends but backstab you.
the promises
so now i do the minimum it takes and leave without a second thought. 10 ish years of doing this and i regret nothing (so far)
OP - please don't listen to this "advice" - it may work for Mirinjawbro but out in the real world where people do want to get on and perhaps have a career and think that an extra £400 a month might be useful, there is much better advice. Have the conversation and discuss the salary. Preferably get something in writing if it is deferred, as people have said above.
Alternatively you can be a bit of a "work to rule, do the minimum" grumpy type of guy and then have to change jobs every year, at least you will get to meet lots of people.
ignore the advice - do the work and hope the managers "word" ends up coming true - let me tell you it probably wont
wont waste my time replying here anymore to nonsense like the above.
no wonder this world is down the drain
BTW you said "job" implying perm. Nowhere did you say contracts.
I will agree that some companies are crap and some managers are idiots....but when you go through 30-40 jobs and find every one of them to be crap then you perhaps might need to look in the mirror.
Based on your posts, you sound like a joy to work with, i can't think why companies and managers might not treat you like a treasured resource. It's a mystery.
Abc321 said:
Sorry OP we are going off topic slightly.
I used to work with someone who was 22 (I think?), and she had been made redundant 7 times. She used to say she was very unlucky but after working with her for 3 months you could see it wasn't luck!
My missus used to work at a small catering company (sandwich shop, events, that type of thing, around 10 employees). It was owned be a single person, and they turned over about 1 person a week. Mrs Women that owned it claimed every person that she got rid off/left on their own, was at fault. I used to work with someone who was 22 (I think?), and she had been made redundant 7 times. She used to say she was very unlucky but after working with her for 3 months you could see it wasn't luck!
50 people a year were wrong, she was not, it seemed.
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