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What I was alluding to was the fact that a lot of these companies offer £xxxxxx OTE but then how on earth do you know whether its realistically achievable? Do you just apply for them and then find out at interview whether or not it is for you? Most of these ads don't say anything about what the role undertakes.
You'll never know whether an OTE is realistically achievable until you've had an interview and discussed what your targets and pay structure would be like.
That said, ads that are so ambiguous that you don't know what your selling are unlikely to be for the best opportunities. Really good sales roles require really good candidates, for which you need to articulate in your adverts (1) what you're looking for in an applicant and (2) something that will persuade the best people to apply.
Your best bet is to look out for those roles that align to your background: you'll be a stronger candidate for those and arguably you can be more confident of your earning potential. Mind you if you fancy a change there's not much to lose by applying for the better sounding "mystery" jobs and giving an interview a whirl.
That said, ads that are so ambiguous that you don't know what your selling are unlikely to be for the best opportunities. Really good sales roles require really good candidates, for which you need to articulate in your adverts (1) what you're looking for in an applicant and (2) something that will persuade the best people to apply.
Your best bet is to look out for those roles that align to your background: you'll be a stronger candidate for those and arguably you can be more confident of your earning potential. Mind you if you fancy a change there's not much to lose by applying for the better sounding "mystery" jobs and giving an interview a whirl.
Am currently going through exactly the same...
Having registered with a number of 'sales' websites, most seem to be non-existant jobs that are designed to get your CV. So far, I've met with 2 agencies, who've simply cost me petrol in going to see them and then
absolutely f
k all in terms of any jobs or even a single follow up. One of them (I won't name them) currently have 240 sales roles advertised on their website, of which I am sufficiently qualified for at least 50+ of them...yet when I enquire, there is always some bullst excuse as to why I'm not suitable.
I currently have 3 opportunities I am in first or second stage with.
1) Recommended by a client to them.
2) I applied direct to them via their website.
3) Agency that I applied for a completely different job with...thats not materialised...but they did have this.
My recommendation:
1. Find a list of the top 50 companies you would like to work for or who operate in your space....
2. Check their websites and/or call HR and enquire if they have a Talent Acquisition team or use an agency.
3. Apply for anything suitable etc.
There are the jobs out there, despite the market being a bit stey at the mo.
Having registered with a number of 'sales' websites, most seem to be non-existant jobs that are designed to get your CV. So far, I've met with 2 agencies, who've simply cost me petrol in going to see them and then
absolutely f
k all in terms of any jobs or even a single follow up. One of them (I won't name them) currently have 240 sales roles advertised on their website, of which I am sufficiently qualified for at least 50+ of them...yet when I enquire, there is always some bullst excuse as to why I'm not suitable. I currently have 3 opportunities I am in first or second stage with.
1) Recommended by a client to them.
2) I applied direct to them via their website.
3) Agency that I applied for a completely different job with...thats not materialised...but they did have this.
My recommendation:
1. Find a list of the top 50 companies you would like to work for or who operate in your space....
2. Check their websites and/or call HR and enquire if they have a Talent Acquisition team or use an agency.
3. Apply for anything suitable etc.
There are the jobs out there, despite the market being a bit s
tey at the mo.Cheeky Jim said:
Am currently going through exactly the same...
Having registered with a number of 'sales' websites, most seem to be non-existant jobs that are designed to get your CV. So far, I've met with 2 agencies, who've simply cost me petrol in going to see them and then
absolutely fk all in terms of any jobs or even a single follow up. One of them (I won't name them) currently have 240 sales roles advertised on their website, of which I am sufficiently qualified for at least 50+ of them...yet when I enquire, there is always some bullst excuse as to why I'm not suitable.
I currently have 3 opportunities I am in first or second stage with.
1) Recommended by a client to them.
2) I applied direct to them via their website.
3) Agency that I applied for a completely different job with...thats not materialised...but they did have this.
My recommendation:
1. Find a list of the top 50 companies you would like to work for or who operate in your space....
2. Check their websites and/or call HR and enquire if they have a Talent Acquisition team or use an agency.
3. Apply for anything suitable etc.
There are the jobs out there, despite the market being a bit stey at the mo.
Hmmmm I wonder if that agency is the same one that reckons they are the biggest sales recruitment company in the UK.Having registered with a number of 'sales' websites, most seem to be non-existant jobs that are designed to get your CV. So far, I've met with 2 agencies, who've simply cost me petrol in going to see them and then
absolutely f
k all in terms of any jobs or even a single follow up. One of them (I won't name them) currently have 240 sales roles advertised on their website, of which I am sufficiently qualified for at least 50+ of them...yet when I enquire, there is always some bullst excuse as to why I'm not suitable. I currently have 3 opportunities I am in first or second stage with.
1) Recommended by a client to them.
2) I applied direct to them via their website.
3) Agency that I applied for a completely different job with...thats not materialised...but they did have this.
My recommendation:
1. Find a list of the top 50 companies you would like to work for or who operate in your space....
2. Check their websites and/or call HR and enquire if they have a Talent Acquisition team or use an agency.
3. Apply for anything suitable etc.
There are the jobs out there, despite the market being a bit s
tey at the mo.CatherineJ said:
Hmmmm I wonder if that agency is the same one that reckons they are the biggest sales recruitment company in the UK.
Might it be the supposedly biggest one just up the road from me in Cheam who have, to date, failed to find me even one single software sales vacancy on the last 3 times I've been on the market? 
Kermit power said:
CatherineJ said:
Hmmmm I wonder if that agency is the same one that reckons they are the biggest sales recruitment company in the UK.
Might it be the supposedly biggest one just up the road from me in Cheam who have, to date, failed to find me even one single software sales vacancy on the last 3 times I've been on the market? Edited by CatherineJ on Wednesday 9th September 15:32
CatherineJ said:
Kermit power said:
CatherineJ said:
Hmmmm I wonder if that agency is the same one that reckons they are the biggest sales recruitment company in the UK.
Might it be the supposedly biggest one just up the road from me in Cheam who have, to date, failed to find me even one single software sales vacancy on the last 3 times I've been on the market? 
BMS actually did find me a very good role on one occasion.
To avoid falling foul of the name and shame policy with regards to naming useless feckwits, we're talking about the next generation on from "LP Record Sales Recruitment".
Cheeky Jim said:
I actually have a call with BMS tomorrow morning and to be fair the chap I met has been the only honest one to offer any sort of constructive feedback on both my CV and my interview technique.
The Cheam lot could be described as 'Seedy' ....
They're all about 12, which doesn't help!The Cheam lot could be described as 'Seedy' ....
What pisses me off more about both 'Bums' and 'Album Sales' is the expense in petrol I have to invest in to meet with them and then absolutely nothing in return. It's not as if it was just a call, it was a 3 hour return trip to see them individually and £30 of fuel each time. Now, if there are jobs the other side, thats a perfectly reasonable investment, otherwise it's simply a waste of MY time and money.
Grrr.
Grrr.
Cheeky Jim said:
What pisses me off more about both 'Bums' and 'Album Sales' is the expense in petrol I have to invest in to meet with them and then absolutely nothing in return. It's not as if it was just a call, it was a 3 hour return trip to see them individually and £30 of fuel each time. Now, if there are jobs the other side, thats a perfectly reasonable investment, otherwise it's simply a waste of MY time and money.
Grrr.
Agreed. I went from Surrey to St Albans once, which was a pain in the backside.Grrr.
I had a look back over my CV, and I've never actually met the recruitment consultant who got me either of my last two roles. I did meet the one before that, but that was for a coffee 30 minutes before sending me into an interview, all of which was less than 3 hours after first speaking with him!
Thus it's at least 12 years since I last met a recruitment consultant in their offices who then went on to get me a position, so now I would refuse to do so unless there was a definite job with an interview time already in place.
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