How would you deal with this employee?

How would you deal with this employee?

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elfspew

14 posts

173 months

Tuesday 15th December 2009
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One think ticked off the list of his worries, good work. Aside from any obligations you have from any employer's perspective, these actions get noticed by other employers in the long run and make you a company that people want to work for.

Tyre Smoke

Original Poster:

23,018 posts

262 months

Tuesday 15th December 2009
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Still no word from him. Hope he's not swinging from the loft hatch...........

Papoo

3,688 posts

199 months

Tuesday 15th December 2009
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Nothing in terms of advice to add, but wanted to say that you did the right thing. You've taken away a major stress factor, which will undoubtedly ease this chap's mind.

Your other employees will (secretly) be applauding the way you've handled it, as am I.

Tyre Smoke

Original Poster:

23,018 posts

262 months

Sunday 3rd January 2010
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Update:

Actually got to speak to him last week for the first time in ages and he says he plans to come back to work next week. However, I thought this might be a bit of a guilt thing and just saying what I want to hear, so have agreed to make contact tomorrow (Monday) to see how the land lies.

Fingers crossed eh? thumbup

Buffie

29 posts

209 months

Sunday 3rd January 2010
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I have been there and my work sent me to an occupational health doctor to see what reasonable adjustments could be made to my working life. They did help and I saw a counsellor.

Be careful as depression can be classed as a disability under the disability discrimination act....

If he felt like I did, he will be feeling guilty for letting everyone down, but the advice the PH's have been giving is good.... hope things work out for him and you!

Lou

blindmaninchains

388 posts

176 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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Is he back yet then Tyre Smoke?

bonsai

2,015 posts

181 months

Monday 12th April 2010
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blindmaninchains said:
Is he back yet then Tyre Smoke?
+1 - there's probably a billion threads on PH that seek advice and then there's never any closure.

AJS-

15,366 posts

237 months

Monday 12th April 2010
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Agree entirely that he should call or text, but it is a difficult time for him, and Devon to Yorkshire is quite a distance. Maybe he forgot his phone/charger/your number or something. I'm sure he could get in touch somehow but as others have said it's probably not the first thing on his mind now. Also, if it is the grim matter of waiting by the bed for his father to die then likely he has no idea. It will take as long as it takes, and saying that he'll be back at work on Friday is quite meaningless and would only lead to further annoyance if he wasn't.

What the blowhards who say sack him seem to forget, is that this is a small company where (by the sounds of it) the owner gets on well with his staff and the employee in question is reliable and a good worker the rest of the time, and presumably liked and respected by the other members of staff. Go and sack someone like this right after his father dies and all the good will built up between the owner and the staff (and if you're in a small town then beyond that too) is instantly lost, and you look dreadful as a business and as a man. For most businesses, this is a lot more expensive than carrying the onr off cost of something like this.

I would say simply wear it, and only ask that if something similar happens again that he send a text or give a quick call to let you know what's going on.

Tyre Smoke

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23,018 posts

262 months

Monday 12th April 2010
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Sorry, chaps. Update as requested.

His dad was never ill and he never went to Yorkshire. He disappeared and I ended up calling the police who conducted a 'concerned for welfare' investigation. It turns out he has suffered severe bouts of depression in the past and just locks himself away. Anyway, the police informed me that he was at home and simply not answering his door or phone.

I left him alone until the new year and then rang his number on the 5th or 6th of January. Surprise, surprise he picked up. He said that he had had a really bad bout of 'flu and he was intending to ring me and he would return to work the following week if I would still have him back. As it turned out, it was a further week before his doctor would let him back.

So, all in all it turned out okay. I did have a gentle dig at him to let me know what is going on in future, which he agreed was fair enough.

blindmaninchains

388 posts

176 months

Monday 12th April 2010
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Thanks Tyre Smoke, I'm glad everything turned out OK for everyone involved - not least his Dad biggrin

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

227 months

Monday 12th April 2010
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Tyre Smoke said:
Sorry, chaps. Update as requested.

His dad was never ill and he never went to Yorkshire. He disappeared and I ended up calling the police who conducted a 'concerned for welfare' investigation. It turns out he has suffered severe bouts of depression in the past and just locks himself away. Anyway, the police informed me that he was at home and simply not answering his door or phone.

I left him alone until the new year and then rang his number on the 5th or 6th of January. Surprise, surprise he picked up. He said that he had had a really bad bout of 'flu and he was intending to ring me and he would return to work the following week if I would still have him back. As it turned out, it was a further week before his doctor would let him back.

So, all in all it turned out okay. I did have a gentle dig at him to let me know what is going on in future, which he agreed was fair enough.
And a notional pint is bought for you, for being a decent human being at a time in this chap's life when he needed you to be one.

ianqv

1,278 posts

214 months

Thursday 27th May 2010
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So whats the latest..... more excuses??

Sorry, but I would of sacked him in the first week!

Transam

179 posts

168 months

Friday 28th May 2010
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ianqv said:
Actually I have been in some pretty crap situations.... (not that it has anything to do with anything here) but the world keeps on spinning and life goes on.
It only takes SECONDS to send a text saying... I won't be in until further notice!
Thats all the poor guy who is trying to run his business is asking! A perfectly reasonable request IMO.

If ever my staff went AWOL (normally young girls having Boyfriend issues) I would txt, call, write - if no response, they would be SACKED!
It always made me laugh that they would forget to call, but ALWAYS remember to collect their wage packet! - funny that!
bit harsh tbh if your going by what this persons employee is going through, ive been in the same boat albeit with my grandad, it really isnt a position that you really want to be in, the night before my grandad passed i didnt go to work because i could see him slipping away, i never phoned or called because i wasnt leaving his bedside and my work knew he was in hospital as he`d already been in for 4 months.
ten mins after i found out he had passed i had work on the phone having a go at me for not telling them etc, and tbh they didnt really seem bothered when i told them why i never turned up because they could lose a contract....needless to say we parted ways from that moment.

so all ill say is if he is reliable and a good worker give him some slack and just leave him a message once or twice a week (no need to pester him)

Tyre Smoke

Original Poster:

23,018 posts

262 months

Friday 28th May 2010
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ianqv said:
So whats the latest..... more excuses??

Sorry, but I would of sacked him in the first week!
And I didn't. That is why I have a very loyal and excellent workforce.

He was suffering from depression. Something I have no understanding of, and little sympathy. But I have seen first hand how debilitating it can be. My driver is now back at work, a better person and giving me 100%.

The last thing he wanted or needed was his boss on his back when he could hardly deal with day to day living. He's not a work shy malingerer. If he was, he wouldn't be working for me in the first place.

Gallen

2,162 posts

256 months

Friday 28th May 2010
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Tyre Smoke said:
ianqv said:
So whats the latest..... more excuses??

Sorry, but I would of sacked him in the first week!
And I didn't. That is why I have a very loyal and excellent workforce.

He was suffering from depression. Something I have no understanding of, and little sympathy. But I have seen first hand how debilitating it can be. My driver is now back at work, a better person and giving me 100%.

The last thing he wanted or needed was his boss on his back when he could hardly deal with day to day living. He's not a work shy malingerer. If he was, he wouldn't be working for me in the first place.
Nice one Tyre Smoke. The world would be a better place if the majority of employers realised this.

beer for you.

cs02rm0

13,812 posts

192 months

Friday 28th May 2010
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Good stuff. clap

Jasandjules

69,948 posts

230 months

Friday 28th May 2010
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Deleted as I just read the thread quickly and I just wanted to say Well Done Tyre Smoke.

So you know, depression is a terrible condition and can have serious impacts upon a person, they don't necessarily think straight or logically and so might not act in a way you would expect.

Still, with your support I suspect you've also gained serious respect from your staff and I wished there were many more employers out there like you.

Edited by Jasandjules on Friday 28th May 13:39

Tyre Smoke

Original Poster:

23,018 posts

262 months

Friday 28th May 2010
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I'll admit to cursing him quite a few times, as this all happened around our busiest time - Christmas and New Year. But we managed, and nobody died!!

bonsai

2,015 posts

181 months

Friday 28th May 2010
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and he has been fine since?

Tyre Smoke

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23,018 posts

262 months

Friday 28th May 2010
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Yes. See my posts above.