No longer good enough to turn up for work and leave on time!
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A director at work today told me that the management do not perceive that I am committed to my job if I turn up for work on time and then leave on time!
I have no idea what the f
k anyone would benefit from me coming in earlier and leaving later everyday as there is no need such as excessive work load etc.
Stupid thing is I have been coming in out of hours recently as required to allow us to implement a new system without impacting the users, but as I have been getting back most of my time this isn't good enough.
I have no idea what the f
k anyone would benefit from me coming in earlier and leaving later everyday as there is no need such as excessive work load etc.Stupid thing is I have been coming in out of hours recently as required to allow us to implement a new system without impacting the users, but as I have been getting back most of my time this isn't good enough.
Depends on the company, the last place I worked expected at least an extra hour a day, but would even frown if even I left at 8pm (3 hours) if they perceived there was still stuff to do. Thing is If I asked for an hour back for something they would frown at that.
After 8 months I left, it was an awful place to work.
After 8 months I left, it was an awful place to work.
Yup, IT - thing is I've worked in the industry long enough to know when there is a benefit to the company and me to work unpaid overtime.
The fact that no-one is getting a bonus this year again as "This would mean making 7 people redundant", yet some of the directors have just got shiny new company SUVs seems lost on them.
I was also told that in these tough economic times they expected everyone to give more without any recompense.
Shame, but I gave up big company frustration for small company politics.
The fact that no-one is getting a bonus this year again as "This would mean making 7 people redundant", yet some of the directors have just got shiny new company SUVs seems lost on them.
I was also told that in these tough economic times they expected everyone to give more without any recompense.
Shame, but I gave up big company frustration for small company politics.
Mattt said:
What does everyone else do?
Everyone does the same as me, other than my boss who seems to come in early and leave late, never have a dinner and always seems to make out he is busy yet rarely delegates any of this work to me.It's strange as I prefer to be busy, but never find my work load or the job that challenging.
I did take this job as a 9 - 5.30 support job after being an IT consultant and PM working regular 50hr+ weeks. I earn a lot less but this suited me.
The job doesn't require I work any extra hours, but I am flexible to work my hours around trading times if required.
JxT said:
Contractual hours are a thing of the past I'm afraid.
Why, read your contract, do what your contracted to do, if more is required claim the overtime, if they don't pay overtime don't do it or do it and take toilgrow some balls, why should you have to give up your time for nothing.
)The trouble is, geeky IT people are an easy target and get pushed around all the time.
Us engineers on the other hand...........get pushed around just as easily LOL
OP, it works both ways. Contrary to what most managers/directors think, employees are not an f'ing charity so working for free isn't something that most people want to do week in, week out.
Everytime he mentions this why don't you retort with a request for a payrise.
Us engineers on the other hand...........get pushed around just as easily LOL
OP, it works both ways. Contrary to what most managers/directors think, employees are not an f'ing charity so working for free isn't something that most people want to do week in, week out.
Everytime he mentions this why don't you retort with a request for a payrise.
Fatman2 said:
The trouble is, geeky IT people are an easy target and get pushed around all the time.
Us engineers on the other hand...........get pushed around just as easily LOL
OP, it works both ways. Contrary to what most managers/directors think, employees are not an f'ing charity so working for free isn't something that most people want to do week in, week out.
Everytime he mentions this why don't you retort with a request for a payrise.
Yup IT and engineering seem to be the areas of a business where more is expected for no reward. I have seen too many people do "extra" just to be rewarded with the 2% year increase like everyone else. That's why I come in and go home on time. In my indusrty "engineering" is a loss making department and thus seen as a burdon, sad. I agree with whats said above when they want more we should ask for more.Us engineers on the other hand...........get pushed around just as easily LOL
OP, it works both ways. Contrary to what most managers/directors think, employees are not an f'ing charity so working for free isn't something that most people want to do week in, week out.
Everytime he mentions this why don't you retort with a request for a payrise.
Edited by 528Sport on Friday 19th November 15:29
Strangely enough since I ask for a pay rise a short while ago I get the impression that the management have got it in for me. They seem to be looking for reasons to knock me back - the most impressive being that my "perceived" contribution to the team is lacking.
Even thought I have demonstrated my contribution, it always comes back to the fact that there is a "perception".
Time to move on me thinks.
Even thought I have demonstrated my contribution, it always comes back to the fact that there is a "perception".
Time to move on me thinks.
528Sport said:
In my indusrty "engineering" is a loss making department and thus seen as a burdon, sad. I agree with whats said above when they want more we should ask for more.
In alot of industries the R&D design and engineering departments are viewed as costs even in manufacturing companies where without engineering you have no product.Edited by 528Sport on Friday 19th November 15:29
Engineer1 said:
528Sport said:
In my indusrty "engineering" is a loss making department and thus seen as a burdon, sad. I agree with whats said above when they want more we should ask for more.
In alot of industries the R&D design and engineering departments are viewed as costs even in manufacturing companies where without engineering you have no product.Edited by 528Sport on Friday 19th November 15:29
So many times I've spoken to HR and other non engineering staff and they think they're the nuts and bolts of the company (pardon the punn). Quite often HR reps swan round as if the company wouldn't exist if it wasn't for them
I think engineers and IT folk should go on freakin strike and see what happens to all the accountants/HR/legals/occie health/etc. in these companies. Grrr,
Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now.
OP. Definitely sounds like a change is on the cards so that you can get some new perspective on things. Best of luck!
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