No longer good enough to turn up for work and leave on time!
Discussion
worsy said:
Fatman2 said:
Anubis said:
This may offend a few of you, .........
Well said that man Edited by Anubis on Monday 22 November 12:00
Sadly the sheer amount of people doing 110% make it worse for the rest of us and make managers think that doing 110% is normal.
I spent most of my twenties doing the same thing, impressing by "going the extra mile", read working long hours doing nothing. It's a city culture that still thrives. In London everyone turns up to work at 9.30 because going home before 6.30 is frowned upon. I prefer an 8.15 start and a 5pm finish, horses for courses. All these people work their lunch and are contracted for 35 hours. Mugs.
Contracting is definitely where it's at but there are downsides (other than the obvious precarious nature of the work). More often than not permies hate you for having the balls to change your working life and earn more as a result. Often they do not fully understand that contractors get paid more partly because we don't have to support usless HR departments, accountants, occupational health, site services and finance etc.
It's quite liberating actually and in truth I think I have become more committed as a contractor. Not just because I earn more but because I know the working relationship is 100% fair and appreciated.
Fatman2 said:
worsy said:
Fatman2 said:
Anubis said:
This may offend a few of you, .........
Well said that man Edited by Anubis on Monday 22 November 12:00
Sadly the sheer amount of people doing 110% make it worse for the rest of us and make managers think that doing 110% is normal.
I spent most of my twenties doing the same thing, impressing by "going the extra mile", read working long hours doing nothing. It's a city culture that still thrives. In London everyone turns up to work at 9.30 because going home before 6.30 is frowned upon. I prefer an 8.15 start and a 5pm finish, horses for courses. All these people work their lunch and are contracted for 35 hours. Mugs.
Contracting is definitely where it's at but there are downsides (other than the obvious precarious nature of the work). More often than not permies hate you for having the balls to change your working life and earn more as a result. Often they do not fully understand that contractors get paid more partly because we don't have to support usless HR departments, accountants, occupational health, site services and finance etc.
It's quite liberating actually and in truth I think I have become more committed as a contractor. Not just because I earn more but because I know the working relationship is 100% fair and appreciated.
k up once and you are gone...Du1point8 said:
Fatman2 said:
worsy said:
Fatman2 said:
Anubis said:
This may offend a few of you, .........
Well said that man Edited by Anubis on Monday 22 November 12:00
Sadly the sheer amount of people doing 110% make it worse for the rest of us and make managers think that doing 110% is normal.
I spent most of my twenties doing the same thing, impressing by "going the extra mile", read working long hours doing nothing. It's a city culture that still thrives. In London everyone turns up to work at 9.30 because going home before 6.30 is frowned upon. I prefer an 8.15 start and a 5pm finish, horses for courses. All these people work their lunch and are contracted for 35 hours. Mugs.
Contracting is definitely where it's at but there are downsides (other than the obvious precarious nature of the work). More often than not permies hate you for having the balls to change your working life and earn more as a result. Often they do not fully understand that contractors get paid more partly because we don't have to support usless HR departments, accountants, occupational health, site services and finance etc.
It's quite liberating actually and in truth I think I have become more committed as a contractor. Not just because I earn more but because I know the working relationship is 100% fair and appreciated.
k up once and you are gone...
Totally agree with the above.
I was a winging permie for 7 years after leaving the military. Best thing I've ever done is become a contractor, now been 'free' for 4 1/2 years. I get bored easily, so working for companies for around 12 month is ideal. If you can build up a good reputation, and not burn bridges, you're always in work.
The downside for me is that I begrudge taking holidays....double bubble!
I was a winging permie for 7 years after leaving the military. Best thing I've ever done is become a contractor, now been 'free' for 4 1/2 years. I get bored easily, so working for companies for around 12 month is ideal. If you can build up a good reputation, and not burn bridges, you're always in work.
The downside for me is that I begrudge taking holidays....double bubble!
Du1point8 said:
BlueProp said:
The downside for me is that I begrudge taking holidays....double bubble!
Not allowed to mention this... I try not to think of the costs when on holidays... took me over 12 months not to think about days off costing X amount of no payFatman2 said:
LOL, what's a holiday 
Come to think of it, when was the last time you were too ill to go to work
Work from home when I deem myself infected with Man flu as some of the guys here have kids and not want to give them my hacking cough.Come to think of it, when was the last time you were too ill to go to work
But generally unless an appointment with Doctors (1/2 a day to date), never!!
If you want to leave on time, don't ever work for a Japanese company in the UK.
The culture is, you leave after your boss leaves. ste out of luck if you're the lowest on the ladder, you'll leave that office at midnight.
Just because it says a 5.30 finish in your contract, forget it. They want you there till late o clock every night.
This is why I'll never work for a Japanese company again. And damn happy about that.
The culture is, you leave after your boss leaves. s
te out of luck if you're the lowest on the ladder, you'll leave that office at midnight.Just because it says a 5.30 finish in your contract, forget it. They want you there till late o clock every night.
This is why I'll never work for a Japanese company again. And damn happy about that.
Chainguy said:
If you want to leave on time, don't ever work for a Japanese company in the UK.
The culture is, you leave after your boss leaves. ste out of luck if you're the lowest on the ladder, you'll leave that office at midnight.
Just because it says a 5.30 finish in your contract, forget it. They want you there till late o clock every night.
This is why I'll never work for a Japanese company again. And damn happy about that.
I'd last about one "going home time" there! Mental!!!The culture is, you leave after your boss leaves. s
te out of luck if you're the lowest on the ladder, you'll leave that office at midnight.Just because it says a 5.30 finish in your contract, forget it. They want you there till late o clock every night.
This is why I'll never work for a Japanese company again. And damn happy about that.
What winds me up in these scenarios is you could have someone hanging around doing bugger all, but thats okay. If you are in, get the work done and leave on time where is the issue ?
I once missed out on a bonus that was awarded to everyone in the department except me and one other person. The reason ? I was only a few hours up on my clock for a certain period (we had flex time, the clock kept a count of what hours you had/hadn't done).
I eventually got my manager to say it wasn't fair as I was a far more efficient worker than others that had more hours on their clock. All I got was an apology. The final nail in the coffin was when I found out a colleague was under on his clock (i.e. owed the company time) but still got a bonus - apparently his morale was lagging and it was to "encourage him".
I should of taken that alot further than I did.
If there is work that needs doing I'll hang around and get it done, likewise I wont just drop whatever I'm doing to get out the door. For the most part companies I've worked for have been more interested in the work being done than people hanging around the office until god knows when for the sake of it.
I once missed out on a bonus that was awarded to everyone in the department except me and one other person. The reason ? I was only a few hours up on my clock for a certain period (we had flex time, the clock kept a count of what hours you had/hadn't done).
I eventually got my manager to say it wasn't fair as I was a far more efficient worker than others that had more hours on their clock. All I got was an apology. The final nail in the coffin was when I found out a colleague was under on his clock (i.e. owed the company time) but still got a bonus - apparently his morale was lagging and it was to "encourage him".
I should of taken that alot further than I did.
If there is work that needs doing I'll hang around and get it done, likewise I wont just drop whatever I'm doing to get out the door. For the most part companies I've worked for have been more interested in the work being done than people hanging around the office until god knows when for the sake of it.
Crafty_ said:
... All I got was an apology. The final nail in the coffin was when I found out a colleague was under on his clock (i.e. owed the company time) but still got a bonus - apparently his morale was lagging and it was to "encourage him".
I should of taken that alot further than I did....
I should of taken that alot further than I did....
I don't think I could have let that one go tbh...
I worked for a company like the OP's once. They'll never change.
Extra hours were a sign of commitment, not a sign of necessity, and as such needed to be worked.
Also, they deemed 'cushy' work (trips out of the office for a couple of hours - all for business reasons) didn't count. So, for example, a trip to see a client in London for a couple of hours meant you'd be working through your lunchbreak and after hours to make that time up!
I didn't stay long.
Extra hours were a sign of commitment, not a sign of necessity, and as such needed to be worked.
Also, they deemed 'cushy' work (trips out of the office for a couple of hours - all for business reasons) didn't count. So, for example, a trip to see a client in London for a couple of hours meant you'd be working through your lunchbreak and after hours to make that time up!
I didn't stay long.
I rarely ask staff to stay behind, only do it if they are working on something that requires finishing for the next day.
If they do stay however i'll make a point of thanking them and they'll get the extra time off during the week of they want.
Regards the point about shiny SUV's, the OP has a fair point. If his management is claiming that he 'percieved' to not be putting the hours in then they should remember they are being 'perceived' to be having a laugh at their employees by driving shiny new SUV's whilst refusing any increases for their staff!
If they do stay however i'll make a point of thanking them and they'll get the extra time off during the week of they want.
Regards the point about shiny SUV's, the OP has a fair point. If his management is claiming that he 'percieved' to not be putting the hours in then they should remember they are being 'perceived' to be having a laugh at their employees by driving shiny new SUV's whilst refusing any increases for their staff!
Emeye said:
A director at work today told me that the management do not perceive that I am committed to my job if I turn up for work on time and then leave on time!
I have no idea what the fk anyone would benefit from me coming in earlier and leaving later everyday as there is no need such as excessive work load etc.
Stupid thing is I have been coming in out of hours recently as required to allow us to implement a new system without impacting the users, but as I have been getting back most of my time this isn't good enough.
I work in IT... we have to be at our desk and logged into the phone system 5 minutes before our shift starts... it used to be a case of being in 5 minutes before to allow us time to have a piss, make a coffee etc, but we were told recently that this had changed, but there was no explanation why....I have no idea what the f
k anyone would benefit from me coming in earlier and leaving later everyday as there is no need such as excessive work load etc.Stupid thing is I have been coming in out of hours recently as required to allow us to implement a new system without impacting the users, but as I have been getting back most of my time this isn't good enough.
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