small company help, pay and conditions
Discussion
hi,
i manage a small factory, plc, 15 employees.
there is no link from management to employees, management says pay rise is this...
we've grown continually, last year by 50% and management are taking the p... a bit. should there be involvement between management and workers, or is it really a "if you don't like it.." thing?
i manage a small factory, plc, 15 employees.
there is no link from management to employees, management says pay rise is this...
we've grown continually, last year by 50% and management are taking the p... a bit. should there be involvement between management and workers, or is it really a "if you don't like it.." thing?
Your company is too small to be covered by the "ICE" regs, I'm afraid.
See here: http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1598
See here: http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1598
i've no idea what i'm worth, but can't complain about what i get.
my concern is about those below me. i've asked to be involved in pay rise discussions before, the result has been presented with £5 per week, last 2 years for them. this year will be "a bit more"
this, despite a 50% production increase in the last 6 months. the guys are running themselves into the ground to manage this and i don't see "a bit more" going down well at all
my concern is about those below me. i've asked to be involved in pay rise discussions before, the result has been presented with £5 per week, last 2 years for them. this year will be "a bit more"
this, despite a 50% production increase in the last 6 months. the guys are running themselves into the ground to manage this and i don't see "a bit more" going down well at all
The answer is don't run yourselves into the ground. People repeatedly make the mistake that there is some sort of law of moral obligation, and if you work yourself silly then it will be rewarded. It won't, it will simply come to be regarded as normal and taken for granted. Don't assume a favour will ever get repaid. Is there any efficiency increase to go with the 50% production increase?
At the moment, I'm seeing a lot of pay freezes, shorter weeks and even pay reductions at all levels in industry. Expect a rise when it actually happens.
At the moment, I'm seeing a lot of pay freezes, shorter weeks and even pay reductions at all levels in industry. Expect a rise when it actually happens.
When dealing with the management perhaps you could acknowledge the hard times and ask for no pay rise - but a small profit related bonus instead. As some companies do crazy accounting things that eat into profit, a turnover based bonus may be more beneficial. This way the company is protected against a poor year and the staff are rewarded for working hard. It might also be wise to ask for the bonus to be paid quarterly if the company is volatile, rather than wait til the end of the year for them to pheonix!
TurricanII said:
When dealing with the management perhaps you could acknowledge the hard times and ask for no pay rise - but a small profit related bonus instead. As some companies do crazy accounting things that eat into profit, a turnover based bonus may be more beneficial. This way the company is protected against a poor year and the staff are rewarded for working hard. It might also be wise to ask for the bonus to be paid quarterly if the company is volatile, rather than wait til the end of the year for them to pheonix!
my guys will not appreciate a £10-£15 pay-rise. they do get a bonus every 6 months tho. i've been told there may be a slightly larger bonus in june, but i wont know until the accounts are in. i can't tell them that, which won't help with the hissy fits next week
The point I missed out was to make sure that their profit related bonus is agreed so it works out much better than a £10-£15 payrise. I guess it is you who has to sell the idea to the company owner/management above you. The benefit to them is happy workforce, low wages and protection against a poor year, the benefit to the guys below you is reward for the hard work when it turns out that the company turns a good profit from their hard work.
If you get something set up but the company does not turn a profit/can not pay an extra profit related bonus then I would adjust the formula or question whether the company
If you get something set up but the company does not turn a profit/can not pay an extra profit related bonus then I would adjust the formula or question whether the company
db said:
i've no idea what i'm worth, but can't complain about what i get.
my concern is about those below me. i've asked to be involved in pay rise discussions before, the result has been presented with £5 per week, last 2 years for them. this year will be "a bit more"
this, despite a 50% production increase in the last 6 months. the guys are running themselves into the ground to manage this and i don't see "a bit more" going down well at all
What was production like before the 50% increase? Has the company moved from making a loss to being able to make a bit of profit and maybe clear some debts?my concern is about those below me. i've asked to be involved in pay rise discussions before, the result has been presented with £5 per week, last 2 years for them. this year will be "a bit more"
this, despite a 50% production increase in the last 6 months. the guys are running themselves into the ground to manage this and i don't see "a bit more" going down well at all
Has there been an increase in staff to handle the increase in production?
Has the raw material cost increased meaning a reduced margins?
Are the employees paid hourly, so (assumed) increase in hours has already meant increase in pay?
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