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E30_m3_ben said:
The both need work yes but that is not the question I asked you. Let me ask you again.
The guy who who sold it for 27k. How much did he pay for the car when he baught it? Was the car advertised when he baught it?
Same again for the 24k. How much did the initial owner buy it for? Not the guy who advertised it on eBay. The guy before him. Was the car advertised when he baught it?
A bit less, but certainly not peanuts and especially not when you consider the amount of money one would need to spend in order to restore either (even more so when the s14 has been removed) The fact remains that most people want to achieve the best price they can when they sell there cars and citing the occasional cheaper project car that might crop up does nothing to disprove that to me. £20 - 25k for cars needing body restoration can easily swallow the same amount again once you start adding labour costs. Generally speaking, if an E30 has a bit of rust showing, it'll have a whole lot more hidden from view, as you can see a few pages back. If it's an example that has stood unloved for a few years, you can spend a fortune on brakes, fuel lines, bushes etc. Personally, I see £20k+ cars as a way of getting into an E30 for the least initial outlay but you'll still end up paying in the long run. If you got into a decent original car for £21.5k then fair play to you.The guy who who sold it for 27k. How much did he pay for the car when he baught it? Was the car advertised when he baught it?
Same again for the 24k. How much did the initial owner buy it for? Not the guy who advertised it on eBay. The guy before him. Was the car advertised when he baught it?
Edited by E30_m3_ben on Monday 17th April 04:02
Anyway, just my opinion / experience and nothing more.
e21Mark said:
A bit less, but certainly not peanuts and especially not when you consider the amount of money one would need to spend in order to restore either (even more so when the s14 has been removed) The fact remains that most people want to achieve the best price they can when they sell there cars and citing the occasional cheaper project car that might crop up does nothing to disprove that to me. £20 - 25k for cars needing body restoration can easily swallow the same amount again once you start adding labour costs. Generally speaking, if an E30 has a bit of rust showing, it'll have a whole lot more hidden from view, as you can see a few pages back. If it's an example that has stood unloved for a few years, you can spend a fortune on brakes, fuel lines, bushes etc. Personally, I see £20k+ cars as a way of getting into an E30 for the least initial outlay but you'll still end up paying in the long run. If you got into a decent original car for £21.5k then fair play to you.
Anyway, just my opinion / experience and nothing more.
I think this is very true for so many things Anyway, just my opinion / experience and nothing more.
People have a vision that they can do it themselves and better buy parts as such come away with a profit. Then again if you somply want that special car and you only have a budget for the cheapest available then you hop on and who knows things may work out.
clio007 said:
Any pics of the £20k E30 Ben has purchased yet or shall I come back in here in another 2 months?
E30_m3_ben said:
............... I refuse to share my toys as yet due to the way I was treated previously but if I change my mind I will share all my toys.
2 months might not be long enough.clio007 said:
Any pics of the £20k E30 Ben has purchased yet or shall I come back in here in another 2 months?
No, mainly because he's just another forum fantasist. And like a lot of these aware of E30M3s has the price of everything and the value of nothing.That Cecotto above does look good in the pics, though I daresay it's going to be at the top end of the price range
Elsewhere, if I was serious about buying one, I'd be looking to zee continent.
£42K
80Kmiles (apparently)
£130K
28K miles
What's so great about either of those two ? The silver one has a shiny paint job and a set of go faster wheels ( for an extra 1K Euro or s
tty stock 15s on winter tyres ! ) and spoilers, but open the boot and bonnet and it looks more than a little shabby for the money to me.
The header tank at least looks like the one it left the factory with, the seats are heavily cracked, the carpet looks filthy, the boot floor looks like someone painted it with Hammerite , dodgy interior mods , trim missing trim ( even the wsher bottle isn't held down ) under the bonnet, cheap radiator and wrong fan , holes drilled in it and generally looking a mess. Fine if its cheap enough, but at £42K , in another country and Lachs 200bhp cars being hardly the most desirable , hardly going to dash of the Belgium to go see that. The black one that sold at auction for £35K ( now up for £60K ) looks a much better bet. I'd be surprised if anyone wanted to pay more than £30K for it to be honest. Did you mean to say if you were looking to sell you'd be looking at the continent ?
http://www.classicdivision.be/inventory/bmw-e30-m3...
tty stock 15s on winter tyres ! ) and spoilers, but open the boot and bonnet and it looks more than a little shabby for the money to me. The header tank at least looks like the one it left the factory with, the seats are heavily cracked, the carpet looks filthy, the boot floor looks like someone painted it with Hammerite , dodgy interior mods , trim missing trim ( even the wsher bottle isn't held down ) under the bonnet, cheap radiator and wrong fan , holes drilled in it and generally looking a mess. Fine if its cheap enough, but at £42K , in another country and Lachs 200bhp cars being hardly the most desirable , hardly going to dash of the Belgium to go see that. The black one that sold at auction for £35K ( now up for £60K ) looks a much better bet. I'd be surprised if anyone wanted to pay more than £30K for it to be honest. Did you mean to say if you were looking to sell you'd be looking at the continent ?
http://www.classicdivision.be/inventory/bmw-e30-m3...
Edited by Deptford Draylons on Monday 17th April 23:40
Edited by Deptford Draylons on Monday 17th April 23:43
Edited by Deptford Draylons on Monday 17th April 23:52
Well the second one is a low miles SE with apparently full history.
The silver one is still better than a lot of the ste in the UK. Though maybe not the double price black one. People who want one are missing on good cars by not at least looking abroad.
And crucially neither are Red which is the worst colour for them
The silver one is still better than a lot of the s
te in the UK. Though maybe not the double price black one. People who want one are missing on good cars by not at least looking abroad.And crucially neither are Red which is the worst colour for them
There may well be a good few nice cars on the continent, but even a brief look at that silver car says 'overpriced dog' and one of the obviously tattiest ones I've seen for sale anywhere. It looks the usual respray of a turd. I'll stick my neck out and say that paint job is hiding a lot of sins and the mileage is way off what its really done. Also being sold by a chancer of a dealer who spent more time jacking up the price ( probably at least £10K if not 15K more than he paid ) than doing even the lightest of cleaning or spending £200 to improve the car. I guess you can at least be thankful that his photos are honest and he didn't selectively show just the outside.
I don't see what's so great about a £130K Sport Evo. It's not like there's a shortage of £100K nice Sports in the UK.
Colour is obviously subjective, but always felt a Lachs 200bhp is towards the bottom of the list, something an M3 importer also said back in the day and were the hardest to shift.
I don't see what's so great about a £130K Sport Evo. It's not like there's a shortage of £100K nice Sports in the UK.
Colour is obviously subjective, but always felt a Lachs 200bhp is towards the bottom of the list, something an M3 importer also said back in the day and were the hardest to shift.
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Colour is obviously subjective, but always felt a Lachs 200bhp is towards the bottom of the list, something an M3 importer also said back in the day and were the hardest to shift.
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Subjective indeed - that's an interesting view - I have a Lachs 200 bhp and think it's the best colour by a country mile and like the fact it's non-cat. Maybe it's just because Lachs was the first car I ever saw back in '87 and the car I hankered after for years ? From a colour perspective, red also seems to get a slating, again, a colour I love in the E30. Conversely, Macau seems to be uber desirable but I didn't like mine. Personal preference is a funny thing!
Colour is obviously subjective, but always felt a Lachs 200bhp is towards the bottom of the list, something an M3 importer also said back in the day and were the hardest to shift.
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Subjective indeed - that's an interesting view - I have a Lachs 200 bhp and think it's the best colour by a country mile and like the fact it's non-cat. Maybe it's just because Lachs was the first car I ever saw back in '87 and the car I hankered after for years ? From a colour perspective, red also seems to get a slating, again, a colour I love in the E30. Conversely, Macau seems to be uber desirable but I didn't like mine. Personal preference is a funny thing!
I think colour is completely subjective, so to say one is better than another is BS 
I have a Lachs UK car and for some reason it is down on the BMW vin decoders as a 220ps car.
I really like it, but I also think the early Henna red is fantastic, and good old white looks great with the right set of wheels!
I have a Lachs UK car and for some reason it is down on the BMW vin decoders as a 220ps car.
I really like it, but I also think the early Henna red is fantastic, and good old white looks great with the right set of wheels!
E30M3SE said:
Looks sharp on the picNice car, nice photography - really shows the car off well. At the top end of the estimate, that's £57.5k to the buyer, but if my understanding of auctions is correct, only £46,750 to the seller. Some very nice metal at this auction (wish I had a barn and a spare £200k, there'd be a few of these worth a punt).....
Edited by CaymANTH on Thursday 20th April 07:57
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