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Deptford Draylons said:
It's no regular S14 head, which is what I thought all the racers used a version, so this is a bespoke head from the factory ?
Not bespoke from the description, stock head that has been reworked.ad said:
This auction is for a BMW E30 cylinder head that has been modified to the exact specification of the BMW Motorsport Works touring car.
Gas flowed and seats fettled to works spec.
Modification took place on a standard low mileage head and has not been used since.
Gas flowed and seats fettled to works spec.
Modification took place on a standard low mileage head and has not been used since.
Deptford Draylons said:
Black car is nice but subject to a huge markup on it's known sale price.
Indeed. Up £25K in one month???http://www.angliacarauctions.co.uk/en/classic-auct...
E30M3SE said:
Deptford Draylons said:
It's no regular S14 head, which is what I thought all the racers used a version, so this is a bespoke head from the factory ?
Not bespoke from the description, stock head that has been reworked.ad said:
This auction is for a BMW E30 cylinder head that has been modified to the exact specification of the BMW Motorsport Works touring car.
Gas flowed and seats fettled to works spec.
Modification took place on a standard low mileage head and has not been used since.
Gas flowed and seats fettled to works spec.
Modification took place on a standard low mileage head and has not been used since.
silentbrown said:
Month?The auction was on Sat 8th April car was up at £60k on their website on or around the 12th April look back through these pages I posted link to it when they 1st advertised it.
They also bought the 635csi from the same auction think thats up at £30K think hammer on that was circa £16K.
Edited by E30M3SE on Sunday 14th May 18:15
Deptford Draylons said:
E30M3SE said:
Deptford Draylons said:
It's no regular S14 head, which is what I thought all the racers used a version, so this is a bespoke head from the factory ?
Not bespoke from the description, stock head that has been reworked.ad said:
This auction is for a BMW E30 cylinder head that has been modified to the exact specification of the BMW Motorsport Works touring car.
Gas flowed and seats fettled to works spec.
Modification took place on a standard low mileage head and has not been used since.
Gas flowed and seats fettled to works spec.
Modification took place on a standard low mileage head and has not been used since.
E30M3SE said:
Deptford Draylons said:
E30M3SE said:
Deptford Draylons said:
It's no regular S14 head, which is what I thought all the racers used a version, so this is a bespoke head from the factory ?
Not bespoke from the description, stock head that has been reworked.ad said:
This auction is for a BMW E30 cylinder head that has been modified to the exact specification of the BMW Motorsport Works touring car.
Gas flowed and seats fettled to works spec.
Modification took place on a standard low mileage head and has not been used since.
Gas flowed and seats fettled to works spec.
Modification took place on a standard low mileage head and has not been used since.
I assumed was an s14. (I don't know enough to recognise internals) Sorry.
e21Mark said:
E30M3SE said:
Deptford Draylons said:
E30M3SE said:
Deptford Draylons said:
It's no regular S14 head, which is what I thought all the racers used a version, so this is a bespoke head from the factory ?
Not bespoke from the description, stock head that has been reworked.ad said:
This auction is for a BMW E30 cylinder head that has been modified to the exact specification of the BMW Motorsport Works touring car.
Gas flowed and seats fettled to works spec.
Modification took place on a standard low mileage head and has not been used since.
Gas flowed and seats fettled to works spec.
Modification took place on a standard low mileage head and has not been used since.
I assumed was an s14. (I don't know enough to recognise internals) Sorry.
E30M3SE said:
silentbrown said:
Month?The auction was on Sat 8th April car was up at £60k on their website on or around the 12th April look back through these pages I posted link to it when they 1st advertised it.
They also bought the 635csi from the same auction think thats up at £30K think hammer on that was circa £16K.
Edited by E30M3SE on Sunday 14th May 18:15
I had a look through what is currently available in the UK and Europe; the black one seems to be one of the cheapest ones available. Add that to it apparently being a really good car and coming with a huge history file I agree with the post on the previous page it is the one to buy at present.
Never understood anyone begrudging someone else making a profit, if they got up earlier than me, saw an opportunity I didn't or whatever I've always thought good for them, they deserve what they make.
At £30K their M635 is still £10k cheaper than anyone else has one for; i'll be keeping an eye on that auction for future. It looks like a source to monitor for good cars at bargain prices.
Edited by NAS90 on Monday 15th May 19:06
NAS90 said:
Maybe I am missing something,
You certainly are.NAS90 said:
but other than regretting not being the one to buy a bargain at the auction what relevance does what they paid for it have to what it is worth today?
No regrets from me, I wouldn't have even bid on that car, and no I wasn't one of the unsuccessful bidders on the day.NAS90 said:
I am quite sure most of us could sell our E30 M3's for a hell of lot more than we paid for them (I know for sure I could double my money on mine!)
I know I certainly could, but then I've owned my car for more than 2 minutes.NAS90 said:
I had a look through what is currently available in the UK and Europe; the black one seems to be one of the cheapest ones available. Add that to it apparently being a really good car and coming with a huge history file I agree with the post on the previous page it is the one to buy at present.
Maybe you know something I don't.NAS90 said:
Never understood anyone begrudging someone else making a profit, if they got up earlier than me, saw an opportunity I didn't or whatever I've always thought good for them, they deserve what they make.
Not begrudging anyone, in the trade and make money out of cars on a daily basis, but there is a gulf of difference between fair profit and taking the piss. IMONAS90 said:
At £30K their M635 is still £10k cheaper than anyone else has one for; i'll be keeping an eye on that auction for future. It looks like a source to monitor for good cars at bargain prices.
Glad my post has been of some service to you, just make sure you go in with your eyes wide open.silentbrown said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Black car is nice but subject to a huge markup on it's known sale price.
Indeed. Up £25K in one month???http://www.angliacarauctions.co.uk/en/classic-auct...
Auction said:
The recorded kilometers now are 162,000 km's and it is thought that the correct reading should be circa 202,000 km's
They need to inform the PH advert that the mileage is about 25K miles out!E30M3SE said:
NAS90 said:
Maybe I am missing something,
You certainly are.NAS90 said:
but other than regretting not being the one to buy a bargain at the auction what relevance does what they paid for it have to what it is worth today?
No regrets from me, I wouldn't have even bid on that car, and no I wasn't one of the unsuccessful bidders on the day.NAS90 said:
I am quite sure most of us could sell our E30 M3's for a hell of lot more than we paid for them (I know for sure I could double my money on mine!)
I know I certainly could, but then I've owned my car for more than 2 minutes.NAS90 said:
I had a look through what is currently available in the UK and Europe; the black one seems to be one of the cheapest ones available. Add that to it apparently being a really good car and coming with a huge history file I agree with the post on the previous page it is the one to buy at present.
Maybe you know something I don't.NAS90 said:
Never understood anyone begrudging someone else making a profit, if they got up earlier than me, saw an opportunity I didn't or whatever I've always thought good for them, they deserve what they make.
Not begrudging anyone, in the trade and make money out of cars on a daily basis, but there is a gulf of difference between fair profit and taking the piss. IMONAS90 said:
At £30K their M635 is still £10k cheaper than anyone else has one for; i'll be keeping an eye on that auction for future. It looks like a source to monitor for good cars at bargain prices.
Glad my post has been of some service to you, just make sure you go in with your eyes wide open.As you are 'in the trade' how do you (or anyone else in the trade for that matter) see the actual values of E30 M3 today? Private individuals will always talk prices down if buying and up if selling but a real world trade opinion based on relevant experience is interesting.
Knowing a friend sold his (low mileage) one for £75k into Europe recently got me looking and from my research £60k seems to be the lowest in UK and Euro 55k for a decent one in Europe, which by the time you've had it shipped over, registered, etc is similar money. Even if not selling it becomes very relevant for insurance if nothing else.
NAS90 said:
Maybe I am missing something, but other than regretting not being the one to buy a bargain at the auction what relevance does what they paid for it have to what it is worth today? I am quite sure most of us could sell our E30 M3's for a hell of lot more than we paid for them (I know for sure I could double my money on mine!)
I had a look through what is currently available in the UK and Europe; the black one seems to be one of the cheapest ones available. Add that to it apparently being a really good car and coming with a huge history file I agree with the post on the previous page it is the one to buy at present.
Never understood anyone begrudging someone else making a profit, if they got up earlier than me, saw an opportunity I didn't or whatever I've always thought good for them, they deserve what they make.
At £30K their M635 is still £10k cheaper than anyone else has one for; i'll be keeping an eye on that auction for future. It looks like a source to monitor for good cars at bargain prices.
NAS90.......I'm guessing that you are the dealer in question or work for the dealer, why else would you spout such drivel.I had a look through what is currently available in the UK and Europe; the black one seems to be one of the cheapest ones available. Add that to it apparently being a really good car and coming with a huge history file I agree with the post on the previous page it is the one to buy at present.
Never understood anyone begrudging someone else making a profit, if they got up earlier than me, saw an opportunity I didn't or whatever I've always thought good for them, they deserve what they make.
At £30K their M635 is still £10k cheaper than anyone else has one for; i'll be keeping an eye on that auction for future. It looks like a source to monitor for good cars at bargain prices.
Edited by NAS90 on Monday 15th May 19:06
Most people who post on this forum own E30 M3's so it's not in our collective interest to talk down prices. What annoys most people here and myself especially is opportunistic dealers that misrepresent cars to unsuspecting buyers.
The dealer in question bought an E30 M3 at auction for £35,000, this car was clearly described as having a replacement engine. The said dealer puts the car up for sale 3 days later for £60,000 with no mention of a replacement engine.........I'd like to see you defend that!!!
NAS90 said:
You clearly have some strong opinions on the subject!
As you are 'in the trade' how do you (or anyone else in the trade for that matter) see the actual values of E30 M3 today? Private individuals will always talk prices down if buying and up if selling but a real world trade opinion based on relevant experience is interesting.
Knowing a friend sold his (low mileage) one for £75k into Europe recently got me looking and from my research £60k seems to be the lowest in UK and Euro 55k for a decent one in Europe, which by the time you've had it shipped over, registered, etc is similar money. Even if not selling it becomes very relevant for insurance if nothing else.
Plenty of polished turds being hawked around at silly money. Market spoke as to the worth of the black car when it was sold at auction, what with its mileage discrepancy and being a non matching numbers car, £60K it is not worth, but as the saying goes, 'there is an arse for every seat'.As you are 'in the trade' how do you (or anyone else in the trade for that matter) see the actual values of E30 M3 today? Private individuals will always talk prices down if buying and up if selling but a real world trade opinion based on relevant experience is interesting.
Knowing a friend sold his (low mileage) one for £75k into Europe recently got me looking and from my research £60k seems to be the lowest in UK and Euro 55k for a decent one in Europe, which by the time you've had it shipped over, registered, etc is similar money. Even if not selling it becomes very relevant for insurance if nothing else.
Your friend seems to have done very well with his car, if it was a genuine, rot free, low miles car with good history and provenance then probably worth that sort of figure.
Bayerische said:
NAS90.......I'm guessing that you are the dealer in question or work for the dealer, why else would you spout such drivel.
Most people who post on this forum own E30 M3's so it's not in our collective interest to talk down prices. What annoys most people here and myself especially is opportunistic dealers that misrepresent cars to unsuspecting buyers.
The dealer in question bought an E30 M3 at auction for £35,000, this car was clearly described as having a replacement engine. The said dealer puts the car up for sale 3 days later for £60,000 with no mention of a replacement engine.........I'd like to see you defend that!!!
You guessed wrong, I'm not the dealer, don't work for him. I'm actually retired and currently have both a 1M and an E30 M3 as well as few other toys from the other notable German manufacturers - I assume even here that qualifies me for an opinion.........Most people who post on this forum own E30 M3's so it's not in our collective interest to talk down prices. What annoys most people here and myself especially is opportunistic dealers that misrepresent cars to unsuspecting buyers.
The dealer in question bought an E30 M3 at auction for £35,000, this car was clearly described as having a replacement engine. The said dealer puts the car up for sale 3 days later for £60,000 with no mention of a replacement engine.........I'd like to see you defend that!!!
Whether I am buying or selling I see no relevance in what was paid for a car yesterday or 10 years ago, the question is what the market value is today. Now if when they are asked the dealer in question claims the car to be a matching numbers car then I would have an issue, but I see no justification in getting bent out of shape just because they bought it cheap and stand to make decent money. Have any of you actually rung the dealer up and asked about the car to see if they are trying to hide anything? I suspect not.
My point was simply following on from someone else's post that it appears to be a good example and is currently one of the cheapest advertised.
Seems i've stepped into someone else's playground uninvited....
E30M3SE said:
Plenty of polished turds being hawked around at silly money. Market spoke as to the worth of the black car when it was sold at auction, what with its mileage discrepancy and being a non matching numbers car, £60K it is not worth, but as the saying goes, 'there is an arse for every seat'.
Your friend seems to have done very well with his car, if it was a genuine, rot free, low miles car with good history and provenance then probably worth that sort of figure.
Appreciate a sensible reply, his was a very nice one (nicer than mine, i'd have to admit) but I was surprised it made that much, got me to thinking where the market was, hence my (apparently uninvited) contribution to this thread having been looking at the market.Your friend seems to have done very well with his car, if it was a genuine, rot free, low miles car with good history and provenance then probably worth that sort of figure.
Edited by NAS90 on Tuesday 16th May 20:17
The 35k m3 that became a 60k car..
Given that its being sold by a trader perhaps he is alllowing 10k for refurb and recon costs.
10pc discount..
Trasnsport costs
Etc
Ultimately the market will decide...or he will sit and wait til the market catches up..seems like only a matter of time..
Given that its being sold by a trader perhaps he is alllowing 10k for refurb and recon costs.
10pc discount..
Trasnsport costs
Etc
Ultimately the market will decide...or he will sit and wait til the market catches up..seems like only a matter of time..
NAS90 said:
Appreciate a sensible reply, his was a very nice one (nicer than mine, i'd have to admit) but I was surprised it made that much, got me to thinking where the market was, hence my (apparently uninvited) contribution to this thread having been looking at the market.
And there-in lies the problem, so to speak. Buyers will pay top money and more sometimes for proper cars, the sale of a nut and bolt resto of the Evo2 selling for £100K within days of being advertised being a good example of this, certain dealers see this happening jump on the bandwagon and think any old example is worth big £'s, imo the black car is a prime example of this in action.Edited by NAS90 on Tuesday 16th May 20:17
Edited by E30M3SE on Tuesday 16th May 20:46
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