M4 - Too much for first "Fast car"
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Never heard of an insurance company wanting you to have more experience in a RWD car before insuring you.... very odd!
Don't get an M4!! I had an F10 M5 for about 8 months and hated it. Turbo'd high performance cars are not fun. The power is delivered toobfar down the rev counter and before you notice you're smashing the speed limit and the engine hasn't even made a sound. They are dull and the huge tourque low down makes them dangerous in wet conditions. People who think 0-60 is everything will tell you different, but they are number nerds. If you want proof go to a Porsche garage and drive the current and pre facelift 991 back to back. One turbo'd the other NA. The turbo'd is souless.
If you want something fun for M4 money, why not a 997 911, Aston V8V 4.7l, RS4 V8, C63 etc. Get something naturally aspirated with some soul.
Don't get an M4!! I had an F10 M5 for about 8 months and hated it. Turbo'd high performance cars are not fun. The power is delivered toobfar down the rev counter and before you notice you're smashing the speed limit and the engine hasn't even made a sound. They are dull and the huge tourque low down makes them dangerous in wet conditions. People who think 0-60 is everything will tell you different, but they are number nerds. If you want proof go to a Porsche garage and drive the current and pre facelift 991 back to back. One turbo'd the other NA. The turbo'd is souless.
If you want something fun for M4 money, why not a 997 911, Aston V8V 4.7l, RS4 V8, C63 etc. Get something naturally aspirated with some soul.
claudereff said:
quote sebring man
"I now come onto the M4. Even going relatively straight, plant you foot to the floor at 35ishMPH and you are greeted by an array of DSC lights and the rear end trying to swing around slightly. Even in 3rd it will break traction in the dry. Yup, he's had a couple of close calls."
Are you trying to blow him at the time????? this is nonsense
Sorry to disappoint but no I've not attempted to "I now come onto the M4. Even going relatively straight, plant you foot to the floor at 35ishMPH and you are greeted by an array of DSC lights and the rear end trying to swing around slightly. Even in 3rd it will break traction in the dry. Yup, he's had a couple of close calls."
Are you trying to blow him at the time????? this is nonsense
.Have you even been in one or simply a BMW fanboy? I know my friend's car is mental if you even consider putting your foot flat to the floor in 3rd gear or below. I thought my 944 Turbo was a wild machine (which in turn made my E46 M3 feel tame despite it having 40BHP more) but this makes that look like a kitten!
There is a slim chance that his car has an issue but being a crash free 64 plate with 15k on the clock I doubt it. Maybe the fact that it's manual skews things but again I seriously doubt that.
Anyway, regarding the OP it's good to see you are going ahead. They are a lovely machine.
R8VBV said:
Never heard of an insurance company wanting you to have more experience in a RWD car before insuring you.... very odd!
Don't get an M4!! I had an F10 M5 for about 8 months and hated it. Turbo'd high performance cars are not fun. The power is delivered toobfar down the rev counter and before you notice you're smashing the speed limit and the engine hasn't even made a sound. They are dull and the huge tourque low down makes them dangerous in wet conditions. People who think 0-60 is everything will tell you different, but they are number nerds. If you want proof go to a Porsche garage and drive the current and pre facelift 991 back to back. One turbo'd the other NA. The turbo'd is souless.
If you want something fun for M4 money, why not a 997 911, Aston V8V 4.7l, RS4 V8, C63 etc. Get something naturally aspirated with some soul.
As usual these things are subjective. I have had many RWD cars. I love my M4. It won't kill you. If you turn off the driver aids it requires respect, that is it doesn't have a digital throttle. Buy one and enjoy it!Don't get an M4!! I had an F10 M5 for about 8 months and hated it. Turbo'd high performance cars are not fun. The power is delivered toobfar down the rev counter and before you notice you're smashing the speed limit and the engine hasn't even made a sound. They are dull and the huge tourque low down makes them dangerous in wet conditions. People who think 0-60 is everything will tell you different, but they are number nerds. If you want proof go to a Porsche garage and drive the current and pre facelift 991 back to back. One turbo'd the other NA. The turbo'd is souless.
If you want something fun for M4 money, why not a 997 911, Aston V8V 4.7l, RS4 V8, C63 etc. Get something naturally aspirated with some soul.
SebringMan said:
Sorry to disappoint but no I've not attempted to .
Have you even been in one or simply a BMW fanboy? I know my friend's car is mental if you even consider putting your foot flat to the floor in 3rd gear or below. I thought my 944 Turbo was a wild machine (which in turn made my E46 M3 feel tame despite it having 40BHP more) but this makes that look like a kitten!
There is a slim chance that his car has an issue but being a crash free 64 plate with 15k on the clock I doubt it. Maybe the fact that it's manual skews things but again I seriously doubt that.
Anyway, regarding the OP it's good to see you are going ahead. They are a lovely machine.
Yeah i'm just a fanboy don't embarrass yourself further.Have you even been in one or simply a BMW fanboy? I know my friend's car is mental if you even consider putting your foot flat to the floor in 3rd gear or below. I thought my 944 Turbo was a wild machine (which in turn made my E46 M3 feel tame despite it having 40BHP more) but this makes that look like a kitten!
There is a slim chance that his car has an issue but being a crash free 64 plate with 15k on the clock I doubt it. Maybe the fact that it's manual skews things but again I seriously doubt that.
Anyway, regarding the OP it's good to see you are going ahead. They are a lovely machine.
R8VBV said:
Never heard of an insurance company wanting you to have more experience in a RWD car before insuring you.... very odd!
Don't get an M4!! I had an F10 M5 for about 8 months and hated it. Turbo'd high performance cars are not fun. The power is delivered toobfar down the rev counter and before you notice you're smashing the speed limit and the engine hasn't even made a sound. They are dull and the huge tourque low down makes them dangerous in wet conditions. People who think 0-60 is everything will tell you different, but they are number nerds. If you want proof go to a Porsche garage and drive the current and pre facelift 991 back to back. One turbo'd the other NA. The turbo'd is souless.
If you want something fun for M4 money, why not a 997 911, Aston V8V 4.7l, RS4 V8, C63 etc. Get something naturally aspirated with some soul.
I sold my Aston for my M4.Don't get an M4!! I had an F10 M5 for about 8 months and hated it. Turbo'd high performance cars are not fun. The power is delivered toobfar down the rev counter and before you notice you're smashing the speed limit and the engine hasn't even made a sound. They are dull and the huge tourque low down makes them dangerous in wet conditions. People who think 0-60 is everything will tell you different, but they are number nerds. If you want proof go to a Porsche garage and drive the current and pre facelift 991 back to back. One turbo'd the other NA. The turbo'd is souless.
If you want something fun for M4 money, why not a 997 911, Aston V8V 4.7l, RS4 V8, C63 etc. Get something naturally aspirated with some soul.
Best thing I ever did if I'm honest. When it comes to looks AM V8V is a lovely looking car and sounds great, but my M4 runs rings around it in every department apart from looks.
And I've never bought into this cars with soul stuff either.
LyNx__ said:
I've just tried to get an insurance quote from Brentarce and they wouldn't touch me without more experience with RWD cars, this is
what's got me thinking the car maybe too much.
Welcome, you'll be just fine. Leave the electronic aids on and it will be a whole lot safer than a T5 camper deathtrap for sure.what's got me thinking the car maybe too much.
Since when have insurers ever asked that about RWD experience? Are you sure you didn't TELL them that and they have ticked the "accident waiting to happen" box on their screen?
And the M4 out of London probably isn't the best place to test the power!
ollie plymsoles said:
Go for it.
My wife has a F80 M3 as her daily and it is a cracking car. Can cruise when required then can go full turbo nutter bstard with a touch of the M2 button.
If she can handle one as a daily I'm sure you can.
or the M1 button, it depends what you've set the car up to do in those two buttons it's not a default setting. My wife has a F80 M3 as her daily and it is a cracking car. Can cruise when required then can go full turbo nutter bstard with a touch of the M2 button.
If she can handle one as a daily I'm sure you can.
M4 - Too much for first "fast car"?
I would say yes.
Its not a particularly well balanced car, its has more front than rear grip and is heavily traction limited.
Sure if you are prepared to be cautious with the throttle then anyone can drive one but whats the point in that...I would suggest again that an E92 M3 would be the better choice, its nearly as fast but far better balanced, better traction and has a much more linear power/torque delivery.
I would say yes.
Its not a particularly well balanced car, its has more front than rear grip and is heavily traction limited.
Sure if you are prepared to be cautious with the throttle then anyone can drive one but whats the point in that...I would suggest again that an E92 M3 would be the better choice, its nearly as fast but far better balanced, better traction and has a much more linear power/torque delivery.
Max Maxasson said:
M4 - Too much for first "fast car"?
I would say yes.
Its not a particularly well balanced car, its has more front than rear grip and is heavily traction limited.
Sure if you are prepared to be cautious with the throttle then anyone can drive one but whats the point in that...I would suggest again that an E92 M3 would be the better choice, its nearly as fast but far better balanced, better traction and has a much more linear power/torque delivery.
Careful. With such comments you may get embarressed by some members I would say yes.
Its not a particularly well balanced car, its has more front than rear grip and is heavily traction limited.
Sure if you are prepared to be cautious with the throttle then anyone can drive one but whats the point in that...I would suggest again that an E92 M3 would be the better choice, its nearly as fast but far better balanced, better traction and has a much more linear power/torque delivery.
.On a serious note I agree with that
.I think the fact you are asking the question shows you are approaching this with an element of caution - which is good.
You're clearly not an 18 YO boy racer with too much money - which is also good!
I've only had mine since March 1st and it can be quite an experience (in a good way) if you turn off all the driver aids.
As long as you learn how the car behaves in an appropriate place / circumstances then I can't see any problem with jumping straight to an M car.
My first ever RWD was only 3 years ago with a C63 Edition 507 after nearly 9 years across various Cossie 4x4's followed by an RS4.
Not having the safety net of front wheels doing some work to pull you out of certain scenarios was a little daunting at first but once I familiarised myself with the behaviour of a RWD car I was fine.
The M4 can be quite intrusive in nanny mode - this will probably suit you to begin with.
Once you gain confidence and a feel for the car I would suggest finding some wide open (private) land where you can learn the characteristics of a rear drive car with no TC.
You're clearly not an 18 YO boy racer with too much money - which is also good!
I've only had mine since March 1st and it can be quite an experience (in a good way) if you turn off all the driver aids.
As long as you learn how the car behaves in an appropriate place / circumstances then I can't see any problem with jumping straight to an M car.
My first ever RWD was only 3 years ago with a C63 Edition 507 after nearly 9 years across various Cossie 4x4's followed by an RS4.
Not having the safety net of front wheels doing some work to pull you out of certain scenarios was a little daunting at first but once I familiarised myself with the behaviour of a RWD car I was fine.
The M4 can be quite intrusive in nanny mode - this will probably suit you to begin with.
Once you gain confidence and a feel for the car I would suggest finding some wide open (private) land where you can learn the characteristics of a rear drive car with no TC.
I was speaking to a WRC driver about his M4. And even he says it can be a handful! Very powerful and it easily loses traction
And for someone who isn't used to the power could be very easily caught out.
Also I've been to an RTC with one on its roof. Although he had been driving like a cock and had clipped an X5 when overtaking him. Leaving impressive 360 skid marks before end to ending it into a ditch.
And for someone who isn't used to the power could be very easily caught out.
Also I've been to an RTC with one on its roof. Although he had been driving like a cock and had clipped an X5 when overtaking him. Leaving impressive 360 skid marks before end to ending it into a ditch.
Thanks for the all the input, still on the fence on this but then....
....Sod it, only gone and bought a New M4!! (Well, month old with less than 50 miles on the clock).
Pick her up tomorrow ;o)). Had a test drive, lovely and will be taking it steady to start with. Booking into an advanced
driving course and a few track days to get more experience.
If you see a Yas Marina Blue M4 around the Swindon area, it could be me!!!
....Sod it, only gone and bought a New M4!! (Well, month old with less than 50 miles on the clock).
Pick her up tomorrow ;o)). Had a test drive, lovely and will be taking it steady to start with. Booking into an advanced
driving course and a few track days to get more experience.
If you see a Yas Marina Blue M4 around the Swindon area, it could be me!!!
Edited by LyNx__ on Thursday 6th April 15:13
LyNx__ said:
Thanks for the all the input, still on the fence on this but then....
....Sod it, only gone and bought a New M4!! (Well, month old with less than 50 miles on the clock).
Pick her up tomorrow ;o)). Had a test drive, lovely and will be taking it steady to start with. Booking into an advanced
driving course and a few track days to get more experience.
If you see a Yas Marina Blue M4 around the Swindon area, it could be me!!!
Congratulations. Fantastic car, although you forgot the most important option, to spec the 2 rear doors!....Sod it, only gone and bought a New M4!! (Well, month old with less than 50 miles on the clock).
Pick her up tomorrow ;o)). Had a test drive, lovely and will be taking it steady to start with. Booking into an advanced
driving course and a few track days to get more experience.
If you see a Yas Marina Blue M4 around the Swindon area, it could be me!!!
Edited by LyNx__ on Thursday 6th April 15:13
LyNx__ said:
Thanks for the all the input, still on the fence on this but then....
....Sod it, only gone and bought a New M4!! (Well, month old with less than 50 miles on the clock).
Pick her up tomorrow ;o)). Had a test drive, lovely and will be taking it steady to start with. Booking into an advanced
driving course and a few track days to get more experience.
If you see a Yas Marina Blue M4 around the Swindon area, it could be me!!!
Nice one fella love Yas what is the spec of the car? looking forward to seeing some pictures....Sod it, only gone and bought a New M4!! (Well, month old with less than 50 miles on the clock).
Pick her up tomorrow ;o)). Had a test drive, lovely and will be taking it steady to start with. Booking into an advanced
driving course and a few track days to get more experience.
If you see a Yas Marina Blue M4 around the Swindon area, it could be me!!!
Edited by LyNx__ on Thursday 6th April 15:13
The GMan said:
I sold my Aston for my M4.
Best thing I ever did if I'm honest. When it comes to looks AM V8V is a lovely looking car and sounds great, but my M4 runs rings around it in every department apart from looks.
And I've never bought into this cars with soul stuff either.
And sound hopefully!?Best thing I ever did if I'm honest. When it comes to looks AM V8V is a lovely looking car and sounds great, but my M4 runs rings around it in every department apart from looks.
And I've never bought into this cars with soul stuff either.
Max Maxasson said:
M4 - Too much for first "fast car"?
I would say yes.
Its not a particularly well balanced car, its has more front than rear grip and is heavily traction limited.
Sure if you are prepared to be cautious with the throttle then anyone can drive one but whats the point in that...I would suggest again that an E92 M3 would be the better choice, its nearly as fast but far better balanced, better traction and has a much more linear power/torque delivery.
Max it might be down to your driving style, I love driving mine in sport mode only tiny inputs are needed on the throttle to get an instant response, the old S65 engine needed to be reved to get a reaction maybe a heavy right foot doesn't get you the right result in the M4 or even keep it in comfort. I wouldn't say the power delivery in the E92 is more linear it needs more work to get there, the F82 is instant so may have caught you off guard. Guess we all have different styles and opinions world would be a boring place if we all agreed with each other .........Later's GuysI would say yes.
Its not a particularly well balanced car, its has more front than rear grip and is heavily traction limited.
Sure if you are prepared to be cautious with the throttle then anyone can drive one but whats the point in that...I would suggest again that an E92 M3 would be the better choice, its nearly as fast but far better balanced, better traction and has a much more linear power/torque delivery.
Max Maxasson said:
M4 - Too much for first "fast car"?
I would say yes.
Its not a particularly well balanced car, its has more front than rear grip and is heavily traction limited.
Sure if you are prepared to be cautious with the throttle then anyone can drive one but whats the point in that...I would suggest again that an E92 M3 would be the better choice, its nearly as fast but far better balanced, better traction and has a much more linear power/torque delivery.
Less traction than an E92? Nonsense. It's got more torque thought so you have to be more careful with the use of full throttle.I would say yes.
Its not a particularly well balanced car, its has more front than rear grip and is heavily traction limited.
Sure if you are prepared to be cautious with the throttle then anyone can drive one but whats the point in that...I would suggest again that an E92 M3 would be the better choice, its nearly as fast but far better balanced, better traction and has a much more linear power/torque delivery.
Better balanced? Disagree again. The adaptive suspension means it corners flatter and harder.
I'm happy to have a surplus of power / torque that I can choose how much to send to the rear. Some people seem to think throttles are digital these days.
Nearly as fast? Nope. M4 is way quicker.
More linear torque? Utter nonsense. M4 has flat torque across the rev range, where you have to rag the E92 to get max thrust.
Don't get me wrong, I loved my E92 but the M4 is better in every area.
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