M3 or M5?

[JMBMWM5]

w8pmc said:

I found the opposite with my M5. Agreed it wasn't a small car, but hardly lacking in agility & i could hustle mine round a track in fairly respectable times. Certainly never felt big & heavy as was able to embarrass some much more track focused machinery.

Agreed it's sweet spot is fast A roads & Motorways etc. but could certainly perform extremely well on B roads & track. Never driven an M3/4 as not really my scene, but i doubt very much an M3 would worry the M5 in all but the narrowest of roads & tightest of tracks. Certainly couldn't on the tracks i visited.

But you forgot to mention you were running over 700 HP.
STD 0-75 MPH there would be little in it.
Here is what happens to the M5 when this is reversed : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7rl8jiJv0Q

Edited by JMBMWM5 on Thursday 21st September 08:49

[w8pmc]

JMBMWM5 said:

But you forgot to mention you were running over 700 HP.
STD 0-75 MPH there would be little in it.
Here is what happens to the M5 when this is reversed : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7rl8jiJv0Q

Edited by JMBMWM5 on Thursday 21st September 08:49

Fair point (didn't always have the tune though).

Assuming both cars got the same launch, i still think stock vs. stock the M5 wouldn't be hassled by an M3/4 in anything other than extreme conditions such as tight circuits or really twisty back roads.

My extra power had no bearing on how the car handled though, just made it faster accelerating when/where possible.

A couple of sections round Spa the extra power would have been a benefit, but a few other sections it was the polar opposite.

[MEC]

w8pmc said:

Fair point (didn't always have the tune though).

Assuming both cars got the same launch, i still think stock vs. stock the M5 wouldn't be hassled by an M3/4 in anything other than extreme conditions such as tight circuits or really twisty back roads.

My extra power had no bearing on how the car handled though, just made it faster accelerating when/where possible.

A couple of sections round Spa the extra power would have been a benefit, but a few other sections it was the polar opposite.

Holds it's own in a drag race!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCu0Z71QRF0

[zainster]

JMBMWM5 said:

w8pmc said:

I found the opposite with my M5. Agreed it wasn't a small car, but hardly lacking in agility & i could hustle mine round a track in fairly respectable times. Certainly never felt big & heavy as was able to embarrass some much more track focused machinery.

Agreed it's sweet spot is fast A roads & Motorways etc. but could certainly perform extremely well on B roads & track. Never driven an M3/4 as not really my scene, but i doubt very much an M3 would worry the M5 in all but the narrowest of roads & tightest of tracks. Certainly couldn't on the tracks i visited.

But you forgot to mention you were running over 700 HP.
STD 0-75 MPH there would be little in it.
Here is what happens to the M5 when this is reversed : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7rl8jiJv0Q

Edited by JMBMWM5 on Thursday 21st September 08:49

Not always the case ...

M3 JB4 vs M5 from a roll it's equal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZdTiWQX_VM

[w8pmc]

MEC said:

Holds it's own in a drag race!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCu0Z71QRF0

Holds it's own in 'that' drag race

I tend to agree (concede) though that from 0-60/80 the M3/4 would likely have the edge, after that the M5 would walk away. On track it would depend on the circuit, however i've never been troubled by one when encountered.

[MEC]

w8pmc said:

Holds it's own in 'that' drag race

I tend to agree (concede) though that from 0-60/80 the M3/4 would likely have the edge, after that the M5 would walk away. On track it would depend on the circuit, however i've never been troubled by one when encountered.

Agree, up tp 80/90 mph I think there's little in it (as the video shows the M5 walks it on a rolling start). But that's my point, Fantastic at higher speeds, but not really a B road blaster!!

Official 0-60 times has the stock M4 quicker than a stock M5!

I think as a daily car, the performance overall is very similar. M5 is a bigger, better made and more comfortable car. M3/4 is more nimble but the interior quality is not a patch IMO.

Enjoying my M3 for now, but I doubt I'll keep it over 2 years,,,,,,

[mjw0321]

R33FAL said:

I think the perfect two car garage for me will be the F10 M5 (for the family runs) coupled with something much more track focused. e.g. Lotus Exige S. An M3 I guess tries to fit that into a 2 in 1 package, but will be a compromise ultimately when wanting one extreme or the other.

I agree completely. I had the F10 M5 for 3 years and always hankered after something a bit more of an occassion at low speeds. I now have an Exige v6 which is incredible as soon as you have a country road; the steering, the sound, the sense of speed make it so exciting and engaging, but for the majority of driving the M5 is much better (and faster in a straight line). The only solution is to have both; i can't think of any car that combines the best bits of both cars to the same degree as you get in each of them separately.

[Schermerhorn]

mjw0321 said:

R33FAL said:

I think the perfect two car garage for me will be the F10 M5 (for the family runs) coupled with something much more track focused. e.g. Lotus Exige S. An M3 I guess tries to fit that into a 2 in 1 package, but will be a compromise ultimately when wanting one extreme or the other.

I agree completely. I had the F10 M5 for 3 years and always hankered after something a bit more of an occassion at low speeds. I now have an Exige v6 which is incredible as soon as you have a country road; the steering, the sound, the sense of speed make it so exciting and engaging, but for the majority of driving the M5 is much better (and faster in a straight line). The only solution is to have both; i can't think of any car that combines the best bits of both cars to the same degree as you get in each of them separately.

Porsche Turbo S?

[mjw0321]

Schermerhorn said:

mjw0321 said:

R33FAL said:

I think the perfect two car garage for me will be the F10 M5 (for the family runs) coupled with something much more track focused. e.g. Lotus Exige S. An M3 I guess tries to fit that into a 2 in 1 package, but will be a compromise ultimately when wanting one extreme or the other.

I agree completely. I had the F10 M5 for 3 years and always hankered after something a bit more of an occassion at low speeds. I now have an Exige v6 which is incredible as soon as you have a country road; the steering, the sound, the sense of speed make it so exciting and engaging, but for the majority of driving the M5 is much better (and faster in a straight line). The only solution is to have both; i can't think of any car that combines the best bits of both cars to the same degree as you get in each of them separately.

Porsche Turbo S?

Happy to hear experiences to the contrary, but i can't imagine it is close to the steering and feedback of the Exige.

[w8pmc]

mjw0321 said:

Happy to hear experiences to the contrary, but i can't imagine it is close to the steering and feedback of the Exige.

I've never driven an Exige (been a pax in a few though), but having almost bought a 991 Gen 2 Turbo S & had one on test for 2 days, it is utterly mind blowing how capable the car is & nothing in any area made me think it needed sharpening up. If anything it was too good.

Edited by w8pmc on Thursday 21st September 17:19

[f1ten]

I had an old 911 turbo and recently drove a mark 1 S. Sorry I disagre it was pretty dull while it is a great place rounder it had no emotion 😐

[mjw0321]

w8pmc said:

mjw0321 said:

Happy to hear experiences to the contrary, but i can't imagine it is close to the steering and feedback of the Exige.

I've never driven an Exige (been a pax in a few though), but having almost bought a 991 Gen 2 Turbo S & had one on test for 2 days, it is utterly mind blowing how capable the car is & nothing in any area made me think it needed sharpening up. If anything it was too good.

Edited by w8pmc on Thursday 21st September 17:19

I've no doubt it is incredibly capable, but in terms of feedback and steering feel of a 1100kg car with no power assistance I just don't see how it could compare. I am sure as a 1-car-to-do-it-all it is unbeatable, and much much faster than an Exige, but a very different proposition down a country road.

Having said that, i haven't driven one and i could be completely wrong!

[oversteerer]

w8pmc said:

JMBMWM5 said:

But you forgot to mention you were running over 700 HP.
STD 0-75 MPH there would be little in it.
Here is what happens to the M5 when this is reversed : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7rl8jiJv0Q

Edited by JMBMWM5 on Thursday 21st September 08:49

Fair point (didn't always have the tune though).

Assuming both cars got the same launch, i still think stock vs. stock the M5 wouldn't be hassled by an M3/4 in anything other than extreme conditions such as tight circuits or really twisty back roads.

My extra power had no bearing on how the car handled though, just made it faster accelerating when/where possible.

A couple of sections round Spa the extra power would have been a benefit, but a few other sections it was the polar opposite.

That M3 had upgraded turbos, not a simple tune, so it cant really be a fair comparison.

[w8pmc]

mjw0321 said:

I've no doubt it is incredibly capable, but in terms of feedback and steering feel of a 1100kg car with no power assistance I just don't see how it could compare. I am sure as a 1-car-to-do-it-all it is unbeatable, and much much faster than an Exige, but a very different proposition down a country road.

Having said that, i haven't driven one and i could be completely wrong!

I'd agree & having never driven an Exige i can't compare the on road feel between them.

Odd thing is i was always dead against having multiple cars to fill different roles as i'm fundamentally tight. Mainly owned German uber saloons such as BMW M's & Audi RS's which do everything well-very well, but don't really excel in many depts. More recently i've mellowed & with crazy lease deals & multicar insurance incentives, now have a new A8 Black Edition to fulfil the many long journeys i need to make, Golf R Estate arriving in 2 weeks that will be the chuck everything in (bikes & dog etc.) & offer up some weekend driving fun & a 1/2 share in a stripped & & track prep'd Clio Cup car.

The Wife runs a Volvo XC60 which currently does what the Golf R will do & my hope is she sells that next year & will make use of the Golf as it's replacement.