Will I hate an e92 m3
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Wills2 said:
Welshbeef said:
I guess what people mean by that comment lacking torque is that in Day to Day commuting driving which the car will be doing for the vast majority of its life it will be mundane and unless you change down gear slower than what some people drive so would feel a disappointment in it. Clearly you can change down a few cogs but for commuting that’s not really any point.
Families - Dads cannot seriously go out for an early Sunday morning drive leaving be kids yet again with the Mum while they go for a “drive” plus they would be saying guess what only 2 days off to see the kids a week and I’ll go off 4-5 hours playing golf or booming vs being with the kids taking them to Sports or dancing or swimming or parties etc. So enjoyment ends up being on the commute hence the view. All IMHO.
How can driving a 4.0V8 with 420hp a 8400rpm rev limit coupled to a razor sharp throttle response from its 8 ITBs and circa 300ft/lb of torque be dull? By the same token a 3.8 911C2S would also dull? Families - Dads cannot seriously go out for an early Sunday morning drive leaving be kids yet again with the Mum while they go for a “drive” plus they would be saying guess what only 2 days off to see the kids a week and I’ll go off 4-5 hours playing golf or booming vs being with the kids taking them to Sports or dancing or swimming or parties etc. So enjoyment ends up being on the commute hence the view. All IMHO.
There is no lack of torque whatsoever because it has something called a gearbox, it's weird how this keeps getting trotted out mainly by people who have zero time in the car, it's a perfect car to liven up an otherwise dull commute.
There are some (2...) people on here who are obsessed with knocking the E9x M3.
To me, the engine is a joy, no matter what the journey requires, with fantastic throttle response, sounds and plenty of torque unless being a lazy, mechanically insensitive dullard.
There are none so blind as those that will not see....
Welshbeef said:
Wills2 said:
How can driving a 4.0V8 with 420hp a 8400rpm rev limit coupled to a razor sharp throttle response from its 8 ITBs and circa 300ft/lb of torque be dull? By the same token a 3.8 911C2S would also dull?
There is no lack of torque whatsoever because it has something called a gearbox, it's weird how this keeps getting trotted out mainly by people who have zero time in the car, it's a perfect car to liven up an otherwise dull commute.
But where in heavy commuting traffic can you drop to 2nd or 1st to max out he revs (3rd would be over 100mph)There is no lack of torque whatsoever because it has something called a gearbox, it's weird how this keeps getting trotted out mainly by people who have zero time in the car, it's a perfect car to liven up an otherwise dull commute.
My previous 10 miles commute used to involve a 3 mile bypass run, I used to love opening up the taps through 2nd and 3rd before hitting urban traffic, once into it the car would just purr along in the traffic flow, gorgeous throttle blips on downshifts, always a little opportunity to extend it a little in 2nd pulling away from the lights listening to the tonal changes in the engine note, it was just wonderful.
I used to park in the basement at the office and with the tubi exhaust fitted everyone on the ground floor could feel me arrive without seeing me.
When I changed to a different commute travelling on the A59 from Skipton to Clitheroe, well that was a delight, but no matter what the driving situation I always found the engine to be the star of the show.
In summary for me the engine was great at any speed I didn't need to rev the nuts off it to enjoy the noise and response as it has that all the time.
Edited by Wills2 on Friday 19th January 12:16
Tony B2 said:
Absolutely agree, Neil.
There are some (2...) people on here who are obsessed with knocking the E9x M3.
To me, the engine is a joy, no matter what the journey requires, with fantastic throttle response, sounds and plenty of torque unless being a lazy, mechanically insensitive dullard.
There are none so blind as those that will not see....
It's very odd Tony, the S65 is the best engine I've ever had in a car including F10M5/F80 M3/E46 M3 and 911 C2S.There are some (2...) people on here who are obsessed with knocking the E9x M3.
To me, the engine is a joy, no matter what the journey requires, with fantastic throttle response, sounds and plenty of torque unless being a lazy, mechanically insensitive dullard.
There are none so blind as those that will not see....
The saddest day in my motoring life was swapping that frozen silver M3 for the 335d, I got in it drove off the forecourt and thought, Oh s
t what have I done! That 335d was really dull on the commute. jamoor said:
Welshbeef said:
But where in heavy commuting traffic can you drop to 2nd or 1st to max out he revs (3rd would be over 100mph)
i do kind of agree, on my 20 mile commute I cannot go anywhere near it's potential.The power is all up at the top end which you can't really get to.
Wills2 said:
The saddest day in my motoring life was swapping that frozen silver M3 for the 335d, I got in it drove off the forecourt and thought, Oh st what have I done! That 335d was really dull on the commute.
I think most people would be gutted going from a petrol engine that revs to 8400rpm...then into a dirty diesel! t what have I done! That 335d was really dull on the commute. 
Do you prefer your E92 M3 to your F80 M3 for day to day commuting stuff?
laingy said:
My commute is 4 miles , and now it’s an event . In a 330d it would be dull , but I would save a few pennies on fuel . The m3 makes me smile when you start it up , and makes me smile when I drive it .
To be fair its a horror show when started up and surely it doesn't even get warm within 4 miles?laingy said:
My commute is 4 miles , and now it’s an event . In a 330d it would be dull , but I would save a few pennies on fuel . The m3 makes me smile when you start it up , and makes me smile when I drive it .
Please say you don’t even consider driving it over 2,500 rpm as the engine simply isn’t up to operating temps in 4miles. 
Young bloke in an mx5 with a pop and bang remapped mx5 tonight under the A3 bridge in Guildford. Pulled alongside and started revving it so I felt obliged to do the same... was a bit like David and goliath. Definitely put a smile on both our faces.
I am properly chuffed with the car and the positive attention it receives. It's a proper machine. Aside from the lingering worry of rod bearings I am thrilled with the car.
Speaking of rod bearings. Last oil service was maybe 1000 miles ago... at the end of 2016. So no wonder I have battery issues. Don't think the car was used much in the previous owners 2nd half of ownership since purchasing in 2014. I think as a priority I'll be having the oil changed. I might do it myself as I like tinkering but I'd also like the record in the service book for future owners.
Wife drove it tonight and she was suitably impressed and enjoyed listening to the v8 thumping away.
I am properly chuffed with the car and the positive attention it receives. It's a proper machine. Aside from the lingering worry of rod bearings I am thrilled with the car.
Speaking of rod bearings. Last oil service was maybe 1000 miles ago... at the end of 2016. So no wonder I have battery issues. Don't think the car was used much in the previous owners 2nd half of ownership since purchasing in 2014. I think as a priority I'll be having the oil changed. I might do it myself as I like tinkering but I'd also like the record in the service book for future owners.
Wife drove it tonight and she was suitably impressed and enjoyed listening to the v8 thumping away.
cerb4.5lee said:
I think most people would be gutted going from a petrol engine that revs to 8400rpm...then into a dirty diesel!
Do you prefer your E92 M3 to your F80 M3 for day to day commuting stuff?
Lee I was thinking about this tonight whilst driving around in the rush hour, yes I would prefer the e92 because the torque of the f80 has no benefit in heavy traffic conditions in fact it makes it worse as you really can't go near the throttle as there is too much surge too soon. Do you prefer your E92 M3 to your F80 M3 for day to day commuting stuff?
With the e92 you could revel the engine for what it is and how it sounds in the F80 you marvel at what it does (when it can) and it can't do it during a commute.
Welshbeef said:
laingy said:
My commute is 4 miles , and now it’s an event . In a 330d it would be dull , but I would save a few pennies on fuel . The m3 makes me smile when you start it up , and makes me smile when I drive it .
Please say you don’t even consider driving it over 2,500 rpm as the engine simply isn’t up to operating temps in 4miles. Last couple of days for my 70mile commute I’ve kept it in sport or sport plus the whole time F10 535d and let’s say outside of 30/40mph I’ve been able to push on (but no chance of any overtakes regardless of car and no my old RS6 wouldn’t have been able to overtake either).
It would take an enthusiastically driven fast car to overtake me doing what I was on those roads.
Sure noise wouldn’t even be on the same scale but instant response yes - it was min 2,600 rpm all he way to 5,xxxrpm so pump that throttle and very strong acceleration - I’d say it was engaging and fun, I’d wager an M3 v 8 or E46 or E36 would have been more fun no question but I had fun.
It’s good we all like our cars and do appreciate other cars and are adult enough to challenge the pros and cons of each vehicle instead of yes everything is perfect in every car (F50 aside no they are all compromised in one way or another)
It would take an enthusiastically driven fast car to overtake me doing what I was on those roads.
Sure noise wouldn’t even be on the same scale but instant response yes - it was min 2,600 rpm all he way to 5,xxxrpm so pump that throttle and very strong acceleration - I’d say it was engaging and fun, I’d wager an M3 v 8 or E46 or E36 would have been more fun no question but I had fun.
It’s good we all like our cars and do appreciate other cars and are adult enough to challenge the pros and cons of each vehicle instead of yes everything is perfect in every car (F50 aside no they are all compromised in one way or another)
Wills2 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I think most people would be gutted going from a petrol engine that revs to 8400rpm...then into a dirty diesel!
Do you prefer your E92 M3 to your F80 M3 for day to day commuting stuff?
Lee I was thinking about this tonight whilst driving around in the rush hour, yes I would prefer the e92 because the torque of the f80 has no benefit in heavy traffic conditions in fact it makes it worse as you really can't go near the throttle as there is too much surge too soon. Do you prefer your E92 M3 to your F80 M3 for day to day commuting stuff?
With the e92 you could revel the engine for what it is and how it sounds in the F80 you marvel at what it does (when it can) and it can't do it during a commute.
As you know I prefer a Turbo engine to a N/A engine as a daily, but I was really interested in your opinion because of the experience you have of both cars.
Welshbeef said:
Last couple of days for my 70mile commute I’ve kept it in sport or sport plus the whole time F10 535d and let’s say outside of 30/40mph I’ve been able to push on (but no chance of any overtakes regardless of car and no my old RS6 wouldn’t have been able to overtake either).
It would take an enthusiastically driven fast car to overtake me doing what I was on those roads.
Sure noise wouldn’t even be on the same scale but instant response yes - it was min 2,600 rpm all he way to 5,xxxrpm so pump that throttle and very strong acceleration - I’d say it was engaging and fun, I’d wager an M3 v 8 or E46 or E36 would have been more fun no question but I had fun.
It’s good we all like our cars and do appreciate other cars and are adult enough to challenge the pros and cons of each vehicle instead of yes everything is perfect in every car (F50 aside no they are all compromised in one way or another)
No ones interested in your wallowing 2 tonne 300hp diesel on the M forum.......yes I'm sure it's amazing, yawn It would take an enthusiastically driven fast car to overtake me doing what I was on those roads.
Sure noise wouldn’t even be on the same scale but instant response yes - it was min 2,600 rpm all he way to 5,xxxrpm so pump that throttle and very strong acceleration - I’d say it was engaging and fun, I’d wager an M3 v 8 or E46 or E36 would have been more fun no question but I had fun.
It’s good we all like our cars and do appreciate other cars and are adult enough to challenge the pros and cons of each vehicle instead of yes everything is perfect in every car (F50 aside no they are all compromised in one way or another)
Ill chip in as owned an e92 dtc comp pack for 3 years
Great car 3rd best car ive ever owned and the best that could be described as semi practical
Stearing feel was better than i expected the chassis felt taut and controlled not overly heavy
The engine was the highlight for sure i put on an m performance exhaust and glad i did only shame ita not a bit louder for the driver as the sound insulation is a bit too good imo for an m car
In terms of torque its a weakness but it does not lack torque ....its just a bit wimpy compared to the forved induction cars of similar ultimate performance so i would not rule it out for that HOWEVER for uk road driving that is a limitation as you really do need to be a bit silly in terms of speed to be in its zone while am m4 is a bit for fun as a point and squirt b road weapon
Ultimately i loved the car and had no despired to swap for an m4 when i toook a test drove in that
I ended up changing for a 991.2 gts which is my no1 car its been just astonishing and a 997 gt3 is no2 in the list so you see i rate the e92 m3 highly
Great car 3rd best car ive ever owned and the best that could be described as semi practical
Stearing feel was better than i expected the chassis felt taut and controlled not overly heavy
The engine was the highlight for sure i put on an m performance exhaust and glad i did only shame ita not a bit louder for the driver as the sound insulation is a bit too good imo for an m car
In terms of torque its a weakness but it does not lack torque ....its just a bit wimpy compared to the forved induction cars of similar ultimate performance so i would not rule it out for that HOWEVER for uk road driving that is a limitation as you really do need to be a bit silly in terms of speed to be in its zone while am m4 is a bit for fun as a point and squirt b road weapon
Ultimately i loved the car and had no despired to swap for an m4 when i toook a test drove in that
I ended up changing for a 991.2 gts which is my no1 car its been just astonishing and a 997 gt3 is no2 in the list so you see i rate the e92 m3 highly
Welshbeef said:
laingy said:
My commute is 4 miles , and now it’s an event . In a 330d it would be dull , but I would save a few pennies on fuel . The m3 makes me smile when you start it up , and makes me smile when I drive it .
Please say you don’t even consider driving it over 2,500 rpm as the engine simply isn’t up to operating temps in 4miles. Welshbeef said:
Last couple of days for my 70mile commute I’ve kept it in sport or sport plus the whole time F10 535d and let’s say outside of 30/40mph I’ve been able to push on (but no chance of any overtakes regardless of car and no my old RS6 wouldn’t have been able to overtake either).
It would take an enthusiastically driven fast car to overtake me doing what I was on those roads.
Sure noise wouldn’t even be on the same scale but instant response yes - it was min 2,600 rpm all he way to 5,xxxrpm so pump that throttle and very strong acceleration - I’d say it was engaging and fun, I’d wager an M3 v 8 or E46 or E36 would have been more fun no question but I had fun.
It’s good we all like our cars and do appreciate other cars and are adult enough to challenge the pros and cons of each vehicle instead of yes everything is perfect in every car (F50 aside no they are all compromised in one way or another)
I also have a 530d , to say the M3 and the 530d have the same fun, is in my eyes a bizarre comparison. One car feels like a race car - it isn't just about speed, its the turn in , the mechanical feel, the steering, its the whole package. The fact it has four good size seats and a boot is amazing. The other is a large family saloon - that wallows around in the corners. I find performance diesels very unexciting to drive - they are fast and economical, and that's about it. It would take an enthusiastically driven fast car to overtake me doing what I was on those roads.
Sure noise wouldn’t even be on the same scale but instant response yes - it was min 2,600 rpm all he way to 5,xxxrpm so pump that throttle and very strong acceleration - I’d say it was engaging and fun, I’d wager an M3 v 8 or E46 or E36 would have been more fun no question but I had fun.
It’s good we all like our cars and do appreciate other cars and are adult enough to challenge the pros and cons of each vehicle instead of yes everything is perfect in every car (F50 aside no they are all compromised in one way or another)
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