Will I hate an e92 m3
Discussion
Welshbeef said:
Does anyone think the B7 RS4 sounds better then the e9x M3?
I had a play with one when I had my Cerbera and I thought it sounded awesome, and I've always been a fan of its noise for sure. Whereas I thought the M3 sounded pretty poor for a V8 as standard(It can be modified to sound very nice though). cerb4.5lee said:
I had a play with one when I had my Cerbera and I thought it sounded awesome, and I've always been a fan of its noise for sure. Whereas I thought the M3 sounded pretty poor for a V8 as standard(It can be modified to sound very nice though).
The RS had a button on the dash to open or close the exhaust butterflies ie Make it loud or normal does the same exist on the M3 or is it just a more civilised std noise. Welshbeef said:
The RS had a button on the dash to open or close the exhaust butterflies ie Make it loud or normal does the same exist on the M3 or is it just a more civilised std noise.
I only passengered in the RS5 with the same engine, but with sports exhaust. With the windows up it was audible, but was still muted thanks to the massive amount of sound deadening. With regard to induction noise, the M3 seems to have more of it and a wider sonic range.Slightly OT, but .... Regardless, both sound better than most modern, turbocharged offerings. I recall driving by a tall, stone wall in my M135i, opening the window to hear the straight 6 howl and ....nothing. The exhaust of the M3 is so much louder, even as standard, than the M135i.
Been in london all week so not been able to drive the car. Put 25 quid in the tank tonight ready for work tomorrow but I accidentally got lost on the way home and now require another 25 quid.
Love it. I am having the sat nav, dct gts, comp pack edc and engine software updated soon. Going monthly with the warranty with the intention of keeping it running for the duration of ownership.
I think the geometry needs doing as the front left wheel seems to generate some vibration on turn in. It's not that drastic but does make me wonder what's up with it sometimes.
Hoping to wash the thing Saturday and get an idea what state it's in currently. Odd but I've not seen it in daylight much so feel as though I don't know what the car looks like.
Love it. I am having the sat nav, dct gts, comp pack edc and engine software updated soon. Going monthly with the warranty with the intention of keeping it running for the duration of ownership.
I think the geometry needs doing as the front left wheel seems to generate some vibration on turn in. It's not that drastic but does make me wonder what's up with it sometimes.
Hoping to wash the thing Saturday and get an idea what state it's in currently. Odd but I've not seen it in daylight much so feel as though I don't know what the car looks like.
My current favourite engine noise is the inlet burble/gurgle as it drags up past 2k rpm. Best when in 3rd as it drags it out. You don't have to go fast to appreciate this car. And when you do push it there's nothing else like it. I drove the new M3 and M4 Comp Pack at Castle Combe and on the surrounding roads recently. Faster? Yes. More stable? Definitely. More techw
kery? Absolutely. Better brakes? Certainly. Better in traffic? Probably.
Would I swap? No. The feel and sound of the e92 are so much more visceral. I got back in mine to drive home and knew for sure it had more of what's really special about a driver's car. Someone said it a couple of pages back. Compare an M to the equivalent top diesel and they're nothing like each other to drive. I went from the 330d e92 to the M3 and can attest to this. The engine in the e92 M3 is the star but the chassis, suspension gearbox and differential all add up to a much more engaging experience.
The only possible plus you could give a fast diesel over the likes of the engine in the M3 is that it can achieve it's (lower) peak acceleration in less time. That's only one metric and one that gets boring quick. Everything else is multiples better in the M, the turn in, the response, the grip, even the ride is better than the 330d I had. I bought a diesel to save money and still be able to go quick. I bought an M to enjoy driving.
kery? Absolutely. Better brakes? Certainly. Better in traffic? Probably.Would I swap? No. The feel and sound of the e92 are so much more visceral. I got back in mine to drive home and knew for sure it had more of what's really special about a driver's car. Someone said it a couple of pages back. Compare an M to the equivalent top diesel and they're nothing like each other to drive. I went from the 330d e92 to the M3 and can attest to this. The engine in the e92 M3 is the star but the chassis, suspension gearbox and differential all add up to a much more engaging experience.
The only possible plus you could give a fast diesel over the likes of the engine in the M3 is that it can achieve it's (lower) peak acceleration in less time. That's only one metric and one that gets boring quick. Everything else is multiples better in the M, the turn in, the response, the grip, even the ride is better than the 330d I had. I bought a diesel to save money and still be able to go quick. I bought an M to enjoy driving.
tenmantaylor said:
My current favourite engine noise is the inlet burble/gurgle as it drags up past 2k rpm. Best when in 3rd as it drags it out. You don't have to go fast to appreciate this car. And when you do push it there's nothing else like it. I drove the new M3 and M4 Comp Pack at Castle Combe and on the surrounding roads recently. Faster? Yes. More stable? Definitely. More techwkery? Absolutely. Better brakes? Certainly. Better in traffic? Probably.
Would I swap? No. The feel and sound of the e92 are so much more visceral. I got back in mine to drive home and knew for sure it had more of what's really special about a driver's car. Someone said it a couple of pages back. Compare an M to the equivalent top diesel and they're nothing like each other to drive. I went from the 330d e92 to the M3 and can attest to this. The engine in the e92 M3 is the star but the chassis, suspension gearbox and differential all add up to a much more engaging experience.
The only possible plus you could give a fast diesel over the likes of the engine in the M3 is that it can achieve it's (lower) peak acceleration in less time. That's only one metric and one that gets boring quick. Everything else is multiples better in the M, the turn in, the response, the grip, even the ride is better than the 330d I had. I bought a diesel to save money and still be able to go quick. I bought an M to enjoy driving.
Is anyone even comparing it to a diesel?kery? Absolutely. Better brakes? Certainly. Better in traffic? Probably.Would I swap? No. The feel and sound of the e92 are so much more visceral. I got back in mine to drive home and knew for sure it had more of what's really special about a driver's car. Someone said it a couple of pages back. Compare an M to the equivalent top diesel and they're nothing like each other to drive. I went from the 330d e92 to the M3 and can attest to this. The engine in the e92 M3 is the star but the chassis, suspension gearbox and differential all add up to a much more engaging experience.
The only possible plus you could give a fast diesel over the likes of the engine in the M3 is that it can achieve it's (lower) peak acceleration in less time. That's only one metric and one that gets boring quick. Everything else is multiples better in the M, the turn in, the response, the grip, even the ride is better than the 330d I had. I bought a diesel to save money and still be able to go quick. I bought an M to enjoy driving.
tenmantaylor said:
My current favourite engine noise is the inlet burble/gurgle as it drags up past 2k rpm. Best when in 3rd as it drags it out. You don't have to go fast to appreciate this car. And when you do push it there's nothing else like it. I drove the new M3 and M4 Comp Pack at Castle Combe and on the surrounding roads recently. Faster? Yes. More stable? Definitely. More techwkery? Absolutely. Better brakes? Certainly. Better in traffic? Probably.
Would I swap? No. The feel and sound of the e92 are so much more visceral. I got back in mine to drive home and knew for sure it had more of what's really special about a driver's car. Someone said it a couple of pages back. Compare an M to the equivalent top diesel and they're nothing like each other to drive. I went from the 330d e92 to the M3 and can attest to this. The engine in the e92 M3 is the star but the chassis, suspension gearbox and differential all add up to a much more engaging experience.
The only possible plus you could give a fast diesel over the likes of the engine in the M3 is that it can achieve it's (lower) peak acceleration in less time. That's only one metric and one that gets boring quick. Everything else is multiples better in the M, the turn in, the response, the grip, even the ride is better than the 330d I had. I bought a diesel to save money and still be able to go quick. I bought an M to enjoy driving.
This is exactly the same as my thoughts and why I bought one kery? Absolutely. Better brakes? Certainly. Better in traffic? Probably.Would I swap? No. The feel and sound of the e92 are so much more visceral. I got back in mine to drive home and knew for sure it had more of what's really special about a driver's car. Someone said it a couple of pages back. Compare an M to the equivalent top diesel and they're nothing like each other to drive. I went from the 330d e92 to the M3 and can attest to this. The engine in the e92 M3 is the star but the chassis, suspension gearbox and differential all add up to a much more engaging experience.
The only possible plus you could give a fast diesel over the likes of the engine in the M3 is that it can achieve it's (lower) peak acceleration in less time. That's only one metric and one that gets boring quick. Everything else is multiples better in the M, the turn in, the response, the grip, even the ride is better than the 330d I had. I bought a diesel to save money and still be able to go quick. I bought an M to enjoy driving.
tenmantaylor said:
My current favourite engine noise is the inlet burble/gurgle as it drags up past 2k rpm. Best when in 3rd as it drags it out. You don't have to go fast to appreciate this car. And when you do push it there's nothing else like it. I drove the new M3 and M4 Comp Pack at Castle Combe and on the surrounding roads recently. Faster? Yes. More stable? Definitely. More techwkery? Absolutely. Better brakes? Certainly. Better in traffic? Probably.
Would I swap? No. The feel and sound of the e92 are so much more visceral. I got back in mine to drive home and knew for sure it had more of what's really special about a driver's car. Someone said it a couple of pages back. Compare an M to the equivalent top diesel and they're nothing like each other to drive. I went from the 330d e92 to the M3 and can attest to this. The engine in the e92 M3 is the star but the chassis, suspension gearbox and differential all add up to a much more engaging experience.
The only possible plus you could give a fast diesel over the likes of the engine in the M3 is that it can achieve it's (lower) peak acceleration in less time. That's only one metric and one that gets boring quick. Everything else is multiples better in the M, the turn in, the response, the grip, even the ride is better than the 330d I had. I bought a diesel to save money and still be able to go quick. I bought an M to enjoy driving.
We have a winner!kery? Absolutely. Better brakes? Certainly. Better in traffic? Probably.Would I swap? No. The feel and sound of the e92 are so much more visceral. I got back in mine to drive home and knew for sure it had more of what's really special about a driver's car. Someone said it a couple of pages back. Compare an M to the equivalent top diesel and they're nothing like each other to drive. I went from the 330d e92 to the M3 and can attest to this. The engine in the e92 M3 is the star but the chassis, suspension gearbox and differential all add up to a much more engaging experience.
The only possible plus you could give a fast diesel over the likes of the engine in the M3 is that it can achieve it's (lower) peak acceleration in less time. That's only one metric and one that gets boring quick. Everything else is multiples better in the M, the turn in, the response, the grip, even the ride is better than the 330d I had. I bought a diesel to save money and still be able to go quick. I bought an M to enjoy driving.
You are worse than me.....a bit.
Interesting discussion...i owned an e92 dct a while and loved it. The engine and chassis are both fantastic. I do wish the brakes were stronger and it lost a few pounds but i didnt find the lack of low down shove a patricular problem. The other problem i found which was the biggest for me is the car is quite boring at lower speeds it kind of feels like it only wakes up when being driven say 7/10 - given the cars performance thats not always or even often possible on uk roads.
So when i did the north coast 500 in it 5* car when i used as a weekend car in the south east its more a 4* one
That said i test drove the m4 had one for a day while m3 was being serviced and really didnt do anything for me. At the time i put this down to the engine being turbocharged but im not sure now having seen how good turbo cars can be with the 991.2s.
So when i did the north coast 500 in it 5* car when i used as a weekend car in the south east its more a 4* one
That said i test drove the m4 had one for a day while m3 was being serviced and really didnt do anything for me. At the time i put this down to the engine being turbocharged but im not sure now having seen how good turbo cars can be with the 991.2s.
dvshannow said:
Interesting discussion...i owned an e92 dct a while and loved it. The engine and chassis are both fantastic. I do wish the brakes were stronger and it lost a few pounds but i didnt find the lack of low down shove a patricular problem. The other problem i found which was the biggest for me is the car is quite boring at lower speeds it kind of feels like it only wakes up when being driven say 7/10 - given the cars performance thats not always or even often possible on uk roads.
So when i did the north coast 500 in it 5* car when i used as a weekend car in the south east its more a 4* one
That said i test drove the m4 had one for a day while m3 was being serviced and really didnt do anything for me. At the time i put this down to the engine being turbocharged but im not sure now having seen how good turbo cars can be with the 991.2s.
This is all true, it's very/too docile at lower revs.So when i did the north coast 500 in it 5* car when i used as a weekend car in the south east its more a 4* one
That said i test drove the m4 had one for a day while m3 was being serviced and really didnt do anything for me. At the time i put this down to the engine being turbocharged but im not sure now having seen how good turbo cars can be with the 991.2s.
tenmantaylor said:
My current favourite engine noise is the inlet burble/gurgle as it drags up past 2k rpm. Best when in 3rd as it drags it out. You don't have to go fast to appreciate this car. And when you do push it there's nothing else like it. I drove the new M3 and M4 Comp Pack at Castle Combe and on the surrounding roads recently. Faster? Yes. More stable? Definitely. More techwkery? Absolutely. Better brakes? Certainly. Better in traffic? Probably.
Would I swap? No. The feel and sound of the e92 are so much more visceral. I got back in mine to drive home and knew for sure it had more of what's really special about a driver's car. Someone said it a couple of pages back. Compare an M to the equivalent top diesel and they're nothing like each other to drive. I went from the 330d e92 to the M3 and can attest to this. The engine in the e92 M3 is the star but the chassis, suspension gearbox and differential all add up to a much more engaging experience.
The only possible plus you could give a fast diesel over the likes of the engine in the M3 is that it can achieve it's (lower) peak acceleration in less time. That's only one metric and one that gets boring quick. Everything else is multiples better in the M, the turn in, the response, the grip, even the ride is better than the 330d I had. I bought a diesel to save money and still be able to go quick. I bought an M to enjoy driving.
Really good post, the S65 is a gem amongst engines it's truly stunning and one that will never be built again, you only have to press the throttle lightly in 3rd at 3k rpm to marvel at the S65 it sounds so good! (and that's from an F80 M3 driver)kery? Absolutely. Better brakes? Certainly. Better in traffic? Probably.Would I swap? No. The feel and sound of the e92 are so much more visceral. I got back in mine to drive home and knew for sure it had more of what's really special about a driver's car. Someone said it a couple of pages back. Compare an M to the equivalent top diesel and they're nothing like each other to drive. I went from the 330d e92 to the M3 and can attest to this. The engine in the e92 M3 is the star but the chassis, suspension gearbox and differential all add up to a much more engaging experience.
The only possible plus you could give a fast diesel over the likes of the engine in the M3 is that it can achieve it's (lower) peak acceleration in less time. That's only one metric and one that gets boring quick. Everything else is multiples better in the M, the turn in, the response, the grip, even the ride is better than the 330d I had. I bought a diesel to save money and still be able to go quick. I bought an M to enjoy driving.
cerb4.5lee said:
Wills2 said:
Really good post, the S65 is a gem amongst engines it's truly stunning and one that will never be built again, you only have to press the throttle lightly in 3rd at 3k rpm to...
Realise that nothing happens! 
I remember dragging it side by side against a mates DB9 V12 we were neck and neck all the way to 130mph, when we decided to call it a day.
You'll never convince me that car had no go.
Sound - Add a drop in filter for a bit more induction noise. The early BMW filters were double carbon lined which mutes the intake resonance.
The stock exhaust has a smooth, natural tone to it however it's relatively quiet. I added an MPE to mine, adds a nice layer of aggression over the induction noise. The exhaust tone is hard to describe accurately, it has a hollow high pitched howl which swells beautifully from 3k RPM. The 3-4k RPM band at 75% throttle is particularly magical. The weight savings are a nice bonus. This is by far my favourite mod to the car.
As another poster said, I wish the stock brakes were a little more trackable out of the box. The stock suspension is also very good, but really pushing at 8/10 or above I sometimes wish the springs were a bit stiffer. Particularly nose dive under heavy braking really makes you feel the weight of the car. Cornering is a different story however, the balance is perfect and its very predictable. The throttle response is instant so it's very easy to control with your right foot. The chassis and steering give excellent feedback, although I think it would feel even better with a slightly thinner steering wheel. The seating position also feels a little high although some people don't notice that. Overall from the moment you sit in it and start the engine you can feel its a very driver focused car.
As a package if you can live with it's fuel consumption (I live in the US now and don't DD so this isn't an issue), buy a well looked after example, and do preventative maintenance (rod bearings) it's an unbeatable all round package for the money. Buy a good one and it shouldn't depreciate much at all. It's a fantastic platform in stock form, but also takes to the track well with a few mods. To upgrade from here you are in newer 911 territory, which tells you how good a platform the E9x is. When you factor in what it costs to buy relative to what else is available, its even better.
The stock exhaust has a smooth, natural tone to it however it's relatively quiet. I added an MPE to mine, adds a nice layer of aggression over the induction noise. The exhaust tone is hard to describe accurately, it has a hollow high pitched howl which swells beautifully from 3k RPM. The 3-4k RPM band at 75% throttle is particularly magical. The weight savings are a nice bonus. This is by far my favourite mod to the car.
As another poster said, I wish the stock brakes were a little more trackable out of the box. The stock suspension is also very good, but really pushing at 8/10 or above I sometimes wish the springs were a bit stiffer. Particularly nose dive under heavy braking really makes you feel the weight of the car. Cornering is a different story however, the balance is perfect and its very predictable. The throttle response is instant so it's very easy to control with your right foot. The chassis and steering give excellent feedback, although I think it would feel even better with a slightly thinner steering wheel. The seating position also feels a little high although some people don't notice that. Overall from the moment you sit in it and start the engine you can feel its a very driver focused car.
As a package if you can live with it's fuel consumption (I live in the US now and don't DD so this isn't an issue), buy a well looked after example, and do preventative maintenance (rod bearings) it's an unbeatable all round package for the money. Buy a good one and it shouldn't depreciate much at all. It's a fantastic platform in stock form, but also takes to the track well with a few mods. To upgrade from here you are in newer 911 territory, which tells you how good a platform the E9x is. When you factor in what it costs to buy relative to what else is available, its even better.
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