Will I hate an e92 m3

[Joscal]

I was behind one in traffic the other day and the noise was just brilliant. To my eyes they are looking better and better with age too.

[dvshannow]

cerb4.5lee said:

Wills2 said:

Really good post, the S65 is a gem amongst engines it's truly stunning and one that will never be built again, you only have to press the throttle lightly in 3rd at 3k rpm to..

Realise that nothing happens!

I visit pistonheads infrequently for the last 4-5 yeears and every time i visit an e92 m3 post there is one consistency - cerb talking about how he owned one once and was disappointed with its lack of torque!

[Tony B2]

dvshannow said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Wills2 said:

Really good post, the S65 is a gem amongst engines it's truly stunning and one that will never be built again, you only have to press the throttle lightly in 3rd at 3k rpm to..

Realise that nothing happens!

I visit pistonheads infrequently for the last 4-5 yeears and every time i visit an e92 m3 post there is one consistency - cerb talking about how he owned one once and was disappointed with its lack of torque!

Yes - as predictable and dreary as a wet Bank Holiday Monday.....

[cerb4.5lee]

Tony B2 said:

dvshannow said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Wills2 said:

Really good post, the S65 is a gem amongst engines it's truly stunning and one that will never be built again, you only have to press the throttle lightly in 3rd at 3k rpm to..

Realise that nothing happens!

I visit pistonheads infrequently for the last 4-5 yeears and every time i visit an e92 m3 post there is one consistency - cerb talking about how he owned one once and was disappointed with its lack of torque!

Yes - as predictable and dreary as a wet Bank Holiday Monday.....

Almost as predictable as a E92 M3 fanboy...I appreciate that it's regarded as the best car in the world...but I make no apologies for not agreeing with that.

[Welshbeef]

Why do we often hear “never to be built again”

If the demand is there it’s always possible - global warming (if it exists) may not be the issue we perceive who knows.

The new TVR isn’t forced induction

[jamoor]

Welshbeef said:

Why do we often hear “never to be built again”

If the demand is there it’s always possible - global warming (if it exists) may not be the issue we perceive who knows.

The new TVR isn’t forced induction

I think we are looking at the electrification of vehicles.

If the normal 3 series is electric, I doubt they will make a petrol m version.


I think we may be onto the last generation of M cars as we know them.

[dvshannow]

cerb4.5lee said:

Tony B2 said:

dvshannow said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Wills2 said:

Really good post, the S65 is a gem amongst engines it's truly stunning and one that will never be built again, you only have to press the throttle lightly in 3rd at 3k rpm to..

Realise that nothing happens!

I visit pistonheads infrequently for the last 4-5 yeears and every time i visit an e92 m3 post there is one consistency - cerb talking about how he owned one once and was disappointed with its lack of torque!

Yes - as predictable and dreary as a wet Bank Holiday Monday.....

Almost as predictable as a E92 M3 fanboy...I appreciate that it's regarded as the best car in the world...but I make no apologies for not agreeing with that.

The raincloud wont apologise either

[cerb4.5lee]

dvshannow said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Tony B2 said:

dvshannow said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Wills2 said:

Really good post, the S65 is a gem amongst engines it's truly stunning and one that will never be built again, you only have to press the throttle lightly in 3rd at 3k rpm to..

Realise that nothing happens!

I visit pistonheads infrequently for the last 4-5 yeears and every time i visit an e92 m3 post there is one consistency - cerb talking about how he owned one once and was disappointed with its lack of torque!

Yes - as predictable and dreary as a wet Bank Holiday Monday.....

Almost as predictable as a E92 M3 fanboy...I appreciate that it's regarded as the best car in the world...but I make no apologies for not agreeing with that.

The raincloud wont apologise either

Good job I've got my umbrella then.

[MikeGoodwin]

Agree with that comment about being boring low down and to really enjoy it needs 7/10ths +, agree thats not always possible. I dont mind having that lazy car most of the time, but sometimes when I am following a fking daihatsu at 10-20mph UNDER the speed limit for 15 miles I get angry and wonder why I bothered getting a 17mpg tank.

I do love the howl....

[Tony B2]

cerb4.5lee said:

Almost as predictable as a E92 M3 fanboy....

Irony Alert:

Someone naming himself after a car, accuses someone else of being a fanboy.....

[Welshbeef]

MikeGoodwin said:

Agree with that comment about being boring low down and to really enjoy it needs 7/10ths +, agree thats not always possible. I dont mind having that lazy car most of the time, but sometimes when I am following a fking daihatsu at 10-20mph UNDER the speed limit for 15 miles I get angry and wonder why I bothered getting a 17mpg tank.

I do love the howl....

I could pass that with a fully maiden 2ltr 140bhp SMax.



Remember if in doubt flat out

[jromaine]

MikeGoodwin said:

Is the m3 actually as good as people say

No.

It's better.

I own one, and it's an incredible thing to drive.

My previous car was a BMW 323i coupe, and before buying the M3 I kept thinking to myself "How much better than this car could it possibly be?"

Now I know.

Don't even hesitate. You won't stop smiling. I haven't.

[Catatafish]

This gen M3 has actual aero and cooling systems actually developed in a wind tunnel, + proper M engine. Since then the M products seem to be a bit parts bin special: take N55 derivative engine, tell it how much torque to make to fit in with product line up. Bolt on the pseudo aggressive cosmetic bits and job done.

[mikeyscott]

I drove an E92 M3 CP last year and didn’t like the power delivery compared to my manual 135i. If my 135i was a DCT i’d Complete the Birds package on it.

However I plan to drive another M3 DCT and go from there, but can totally see people’s views both sides.

Only thing i’m Looking at is EDC Vs non EDC. I’d rather get as loaded as possible AUC car.

For me it’d be a weekend car as I run a Volvo C30 D4 as a daily. £25-30k spend, unless better cars in the price range. Did think C63 AMG. Size wise i’d prob prefer M2, but comfort M3/C63

[Welshbeef]

mikeyscott said:

I drove an E92 M3 CP last year and didn’t like the power delivery compared to my manual 135i. If my 135i was a DCT i’d Complete the Birds package on it.

However I plan to drive another M3 DCT and go from there, but can totally see people’s views both sides.

Only thing i’m Looking at is EDC Vs non EDC. I’d rather get as loaded as possible AUC car.

For me it’d be a weekend car as I run a Volvo C30 D4 as a daily. £25-30k spend, unless better cars in the price range. Did think C63 AMG. Size wise i’d prob prefer M2, but comfort M3/C63

E63/C63 probably the way you want to go for more torque

[MattOz]

I really enjoyed my E90 M3. Having owned E46 M3's, E39 M5's and E60 M5, i found the E90 was a cracking blend of those cars. I'd go as far as to say that the E90 was the most enjoyable of the lot. The 'lack' of torque is a funny one. I guess that because it doesn't provide that instant grunt gratification, it's seen as lacking. However, day to day, I certainly never felt short changed. Sitting behind the V8 is a lovely place to be and the induction noise is great.

Since selling it, I've certainly had pangs of sellers remorse. May well have another at some point.

[MikeGoodwin]

Well had it 5 months+ now and at the time I bought it I thought cerb4.5lee was just someone who didn't gel with his car and had a sour taste about it. Well I dont think I have either. I've read many of cerb4.5lee's comments on this M forum about the e92 m3 and what he says is spot on really.

That saying 'jack of all trades master of none' is accurate to describe the e92 m3. It feels an 8/10ths car across the board, so when you want 10/10ths out of it it doesn't deliver the goods.

I could drive the Megane RS round some back roads in anger and it was epic, but the M3 just doesnt deliver the same thrill, it handles really well but it doesnt fill me with confidence or feel like I can really lean into a corner hard, but I am sure the speedo in the M3 would read higher than the Megane RS in the corners, in fact I know it does. I also dont rate the steering much, there might be feedback etc but it feels sloppy to me and not direct atall. Sport servo is awful. Its quite a slow rack as well either in comfort or sport. The steering in the Megane was electric but it was really excellent.

The S65 is incredible but the novelty of 8000rpm has worn off a bit you realise the cars a bit too heavy for the S65 to drag around and unless its being absolutely nailed to the redline which is rarely possible during a daily commute and I am frequently left frustrated and feel trapped with a car I cant really use, even when I do open up the taps it can feel underwhelming. I see why people do the exhaust mod so much as well. Its also very quick in terms of figures, other E92 owners (let alone M4 owners!) will know just how easy it is to get into jellybean territory.

Not sure what to do with it yet. I may give it another 6 months but tbh, dont know where ill go from here. I might go back to a Megane else itll be a 2 car thing for me, a daily and a lotus, or Caterham.

[Wills2]

I think most performance cars are frustrating in daily driving these days if it's not speed cameras/smart motorways/traffic/Doris doing 30mph on the one last remaining NSL road the local council hasn't reduced to 50 or 40mph, it's a chav in an S3 who is so desperate to show you his dog is more into the fight and I think that goes for any car.

Rarely do I get the chance to enjoy the car, although I did manage to cram a double mattress into it and take it down the tip today.

[dvshannow]

I think steering on later CP dcts was improved somewhat

Its got its flaws for sure and weight is one and why the CRT is a car id love to buy will never own

Saying that i would take an e92 over the f80 maybe like the e92s the newer f80s are better to drive but the first ones showed the good parts of the e92.

BMW have lost something though im driving a 991 and it feels so far ahead of the M game

[Leon R]

MikeGoodwin said:

Well had it 5 months+ now and at the time I bought it I thought cerb4.5lee was just someone who didn't gel with his car and had a sour taste about it. Well I dont think I have either. I've read many of cerb4.5lee's comments on this M forum about the e92 m3 and what he says is spot on really.

That saying 'jack of all trades master of none' is accurate to describe the e92 m3. It feels an 8/10ths car across the board, so when you want 10/10ths out of it it doesn't deliver the goods.

I could drive the Megane RS round some back roads in anger and it was epic, but the M3 just doesnt deliver the same thrill, it handles really well but it doesnt fill me with confidence or feel like I can really lean into a corner hard, but I am sure the speedo in the M3 would read higher than the Megane RS in the corners, in fact I know it does. I also dont rate the steering much, there might be feedback etc but it feels sloppy to me and not direct atall. Sport servo is awful. Its quite a slow rack as well either in comfort or sport. The steering in the Megane was electric but it was really excellent.

The S65 is incredible but the novelty of 8000rpm has worn off a bit you realise the cars a bit too heavy for the S65 to drag around and unless its being absolutely nailed to the redline which is rarely possible during a daily commute and I am frequently left frustrated and feel trapped with a car I cant really use, even when I do open up the taps it can feel underwhelming. I see why people do the exhaust mod so much as well. Its also very quick in terms of figures, other E92 owners (let alone M4 owners!) will know just how easy it is to get into jellybean territory.

Not sure what to do with it yet. I may give it another 6 months but tbh, dont know where ill go from here. I might go back to a Megane else itll be a 2 car thing for me, a daily and a lotus, or Caterham.

Really sorry you haven't gelled with it, it's a real shame as yours is a very nice example too.

I love mine but I think that is helped a lot by two things:

1) Mine is a second car alongside a hatch that does all the mundane stuff in life meaning the M3 only gets used when I want to drive.

2) Mine is a DCT with a few upgrades meaning more power and more torque plus the servotronic update.