Will I hate an e92 m3
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I drove one against an M2 and a new 320d (was impressed with one as a hire car), and went for the E92 M3 in the end. It doesn't lack torque but it is less torquey than a turbo-6 .. however it pulls like a 320d which is hardly what you would call lacking in torque for a 1600kg car. So if you're happy with the latter and love the F1-derived V8 and superb handling then go for it, otherwise get something with a turbo. I didn't get on with the manual though (the M2 was much better in this respect better if not perfect) with the DCT it's a 9.5/10 car.
BAM225 said:
Welshbeef said:
I’ve driven the M4 “Palmer motor sport version” at Bedford Autodrome.
It was a lot of fun plenty fast up to 100mph but 100-135mph wasn’t “oh my god fast”
Almost as fast as your 944 that never existed, eh.It was a lot of fun plenty fast up to 100mph but 100-135mph wasn’t “oh my god fast”
Oh yes lightbulb turned on for you has it sweet cheeks yes it was on one of those track days.
Which included
Supercharged Atom
M3
Land Rover defender
Formulae Palmer Single sweater (which they record a video of it from just above your helmet and it’s published on youtube - I’ll not be sharing this as it gives my real name).
Caterham head to head
A Le Mans style 2 seater
Go karts
Caterham round a circuit.
Oh and the 944 has been gone over and over and over - do you like trolling? As that is what you are doing constantly posting up relentless bulls
t about the 944 from 5 years ago. Stop it. laingy said:
I like the torque of the e92 m3, you can keep it in low gears and drive around like a normal car - as above same as a 320d for torque.
This could be another reason why I didn't get on with my E92 M3 then...because I had a 520d and I thought the engine was absolutely garbage...and completely underpowered! 
It's a sorry state when a 4 Litre V8 gets compared to a 4 pot diesel!
But it does help back up why I found it wanting sometimes.cerb4.5lee said:
laingy said:
I like the torque of the e92 m3, you can keep it in low gears and drive around like a normal car - as above same as a 320d for torque.
This could be another reason why I didn't get on with my E92 M3 then...because I had a 520d and I thought the engine was absolutely garbage...and completely underpowered! It's a sorry state when a 4 Litre V8 gets compared to a 4 pot diesel!
But it does help back up why I found it wanting sometimes.Get the 2.0 TDI on the same road and all it will serve up is crushing disappointment and broken dreams.
Wow - all this obsession with numbers.
The E92 M3 is about far more than numbers - steering feel, throttle response, top end revs, engine music (rather than noise).
Yes, a turbo is stronger in the low and mid-range and if that is important to you get a good turbo diesel.
The F82 M4 engine noise gives me a headache at 3-4K revs, which is where its real performance advantage exists.
Interesting to see the Fxx versus E9x torque waterfall plots (i.e. torque at wheels plotted against road speed) as this actually means something.
And a 520d (with 8 speed auto in kick down ) gives roughly similar acceleration response to my E92 M3.....left in 6th gear (6MT).
Nowhere near as much fun, though.
So forget numbers and just drive the car as you would your Renault - but rev it!
The E92 M3 is about far more than numbers - steering feel, throttle response, top end revs, engine music (rather than noise).
Yes, a turbo is stronger in the low and mid-range and if that is important to you get a good turbo diesel.
The F82 M4 engine noise gives me a headache at 3-4K revs, which is where its real performance advantage exists.
Interesting to see the Fxx versus E9x torque waterfall plots (i.e. torque at wheels plotted against road speed) as this actually means something.
And a 520d (with 8 speed auto in kick down ) gives roughly similar acceleration response to my E92 M3.....left in 6th gear (6MT).
Nowhere near as much fun, though.
So forget numbers and just drive the car as you would your Renault - but rev it!
Welshbeef said:
Read what I posted - Palmer M4 & Bedford Autodrome.
Oh yes lightbulb turned on for you has it sweet cheeks yes it was on one of those track days.
Which included
Supercharged Atom
M3
Land Rover defender
Formulae Palmer Single sweater (which they record a video of it from just above your helmet and it’s published on youtube - I’ll not be sharing this as it gives my real name).
Caterham head to head
A Le Mans style 2 seater
Go karts
Caterham round a circuit.
Oh and the 944 has been gone over and over and over - do you like trolling? As that is what you are doing constantly posting up relentless bullst about the 944 from 5 years ago. Stop it.
My thoughts were how do we know you're not lying about this?Oh yes lightbulb turned on for you has it sweet cheeks yes it was on one of those track days.
Which included
Supercharged Atom
M3
Land Rover defender
Formulae Palmer Single sweater (which they record a video of it from just above your helmet and it’s published on youtube - I’ll not be sharing this as it gives my real name).
Caterham head to head
A Le Mans style 2 seater
Go karts
Caterham round a circuit.
Oh and the 944 has been gone over and over and over - do you like trolling? As that is what you are doing constantly posting up relentless bulls
t about the 944 from 5 years ago. Stop it. Anyway, I will never mention it again, all the best.
The sound with the Competition Pack us pretty good ... not as good as the E92 V8 admittedly but much better than a lot of other Turbo Charged Cars ...
Btw - if the OEM F8X power is not enough: I brought mine to AC Schnitzer and now can keep up with a 991 GT3 on the Autobahn even at very high speeds 😉👍🏎
Btw - if the OEM F8X power is not enough: I brought mine to AC Schnitzer and now can keep up with a 991 GT3 on the Autobahn even at very high speeds 😉👍🏎
I've had an E92 M3 since August and at the moment, I can't see what could ever replace it. For me, it's a different way of extracting fun to a Megane 275 (I've not driven one, but appreciate what they do having spent time in hot hatches over the years). As has been said, the engine will drive very differently, but what's not really been said is that each time you rev it, you go on a journey. <2000 rpm and it's not very audible, but push the loud pedal more and as you drive it between 3k and 5k it sounds like an American muscle car. Above that it gets so frenetic that it starts to get a bit buzzy like some sort of racing car. Add to that the massively oversteery nature of the car and the fact that the V8 can overcome the grip most of the time in the winter and you have a very, very exciting car.
Incidentally, in reference to speed, the E92 M3 is a very quick car, with a fabulous soundtrack and chassis setup and is exciting to drive. A 335d is also a very quick car, but very unexciting to drive, by comparison.
Incidentally, in reference to speed, the E92 M3 is a very quick car, with a fabulous soundtrack and chassis setup and is exciting to drive. A 335d is also a very quick car, but very unexciting to drive, by comparison.
Numbers are so boring and tell 5% of the story. You need to try these things out for yourself. If everyone took the statistically better option there'd be no variety.Rev matched downshifts to 3rd, 2nd and 1st are most of the satisfaction with an NA BMW.
There are a few question marks over the V8 motor - there's a interesting vid on youtube by savagegeese about his M3
There are a few question marks over the V8 motor - there's a interesting vid on youtube by savagegeese about his M3
Edited by Catatafish on Wednesday 3rd January 16:51
Edited by Catatafish on Wednesday 3rd January 16:52
Most people have said what I think but I'll say it again from my POV;
I've just gone from an e92 330d to an e92 M3 and it's night and day to drive. Both great looking cars but there's a reason the M3 is worth x4 more now when it was only 1.5x more new... it's about x8 more fun to drive and be in.
The more I drive my manual and get my clutch foot tuned in the more rewarding I am finding it. Blipping the throttle on the downshifts is worth going for the manual over the DCT IMVHO, the throttle response is unmatched in anything I've driven this side of a 125cc Honda 2 Stroke MotoX bike. I managed a quick launch from the lights without spinning up the rears the other day for the first time (takes some skill!), hit the speed limit in 1st in about 2 seconds The DCT would be quicker but nowhere near the reward.
I've been in a Megane 275 (not driven) and I was really impressed with the chassis. It turns into corners with a keenness that no 1600kg RWD car without racing suspension and tyres could ever hope to but the comparison ends there, the M3 is FAR superior in every other respect. Once in the corners and coming out the M3 is so poised and balanced, like turning on a pivot in the middle of the car. By the time the Megane is fading out at 5k the M3 V8 hasn't even got going. Once the M3 hit's 6/7k hardly anything will match it for speed and nothing this side of an Italian V8/V12 will sound as good. It's a really special car.
I've just gone from an e92 330d to an e92 M3 and it's night and day to drive. Both great looking cars but there's a reason the M3 is worth x4 more now when it was only 1.5x more new... it's about x8 more fun to drive and be in.
The more I drive my manual and get my clutch foot tuned in the more rewarding I am finding it. Blipping the throttle on the downshifts is worth going for the manual over the DCT IMVHO, the throttle response is unmatched in anything I've driven this side of a 125cc Honda 2 Stroke MotoX bike. I managed a quick launch from the lights without spinning up the rears the other day for the first time (takes some skill!), hit the speed limit in 1st in about 2 seconds
The DCT would be quicker but nowhere near the reward.I've been in a Megane 275 (not driven) and I was really impressed with the chassis. It turns into corners with a keenness that no 1600kg RWD car without racing suspension and tyres could ever hope to but the comparison ends there, the M3 is FAR superior in every other respect. Once in the corners and coming out the M3 is so poised and balanced, like turning on a pivot in the middle of the car. By the time the Megane is fading out at 5k the M3 V8 hasn't even got going. Once the M3 hit's 6/7k hardly anything will match it for speed and nothing this side of an Italian V8/V12 will sound as good. It's a really special car.
I sort of agree with Robert Mitchel @ 7:08 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH4WcNl--W4&t=...
I say 'sort of' as I don't believe the E9x M3 is a meh car standard, just that modifications can really bring out the sparkle. Brakes, suspension, slightly wider tyres and an exhaust modification makes a tremendous difference to the overall feeling of the car.
If you want to talk figures then I don't think there's a single race track on earth where a standard E92 won't beat an RS4/C63 despite having less power and torque than either of these.
I personally don't see myself selling my E90 anytime soon.
I say 'sort of' as I don't believe the E9x M3 is a meh car standard, just that modifications can really bring out the sparkle. Brakes, suspension, slightly wider tyres and an exhaust modification makes a tremendous difference to the overall feeling of the car.
If you want to talk figures then I don't think there's a single race track on earth where a standard E92 won't beat an RS4/C63 despite having less power and torque than either of these.
I personally don't see myself selling my E90 anytime soon.
Rob_R said:
I sort of agree with Robert Mitchel @ 7:08 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH4WcNl--W4&t=...
I say 'sort of' as I don't believe the E9x M3 is a meh car standard, just that modifications can really bring out the sparkle. Brakes, suspension, slightly wider tyres and an exhaust modification makes a tremendous difference to the overall feeling of the car.
I agree with what he says and it is a meh car as standard...if A) you've had something quicker/more exciting to drive previously, and B) if you've had a E9x 3 series previously it can feel not a big enough step up over the rest of the range in some ways. I say 'sort of' as I don't believe the E9x M3 is a meh car standard, just that modifications can really bring out the sparkle. Brakes, suspension, slightly wider tyres and an exhaust modification makes a tremendous difference to the overall feeling of the car.
It was interesting how he also mentioned that it doesn't really make that much performance for it's engine, and I felt the same, and I had bigger expectations of what a 4 Litre V8 should feel like as well.
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