Will I hate an e92 m3
Discussion
cerb4.5lee said:
I agree with what he says and it is a meh car as standard...if A) you've had something quicker/more exciting to drive previously, and B) if you've had a E9x 3 series previously it can feel not a big enough step up over the rest of the range in some ways.
It was interesting how he also mentioned that it doesn't really make that much performance for it's engine, and I felt the same, and I had bigger expectations of what a 4 Litre V8 should feel like as well.
Have you heard the expression "a stuck record"?It was interesting how he also mentioned that it doesn't really make that much performance for it's engine, and I felt the same, and I had bigger expectations of what a 4 Litre V8 should feel like as well.
Do you ever give it a rest?
In the last 12 months I have driven Audi R8 V10+ on track, and Porsche 911 (991.2) on track and road.
In spite of both costing roughly twice as much as the M3, and both being notably quicker, I do not feel short changed when I get back into my - standard, unmodified) - Competition Pack car.
Whilst I was seriously considering the 911 before I drove it, I am not now. Lovely car, but nowhere near twice as nice as the M3.
And even with extra power/torque from its turbo 3 litre, the engine is not the exquisite NA masterpiece that the S65 is.
I also have an E9x 330D to drive, and it might well be the perfect everyday car, but in no way does it feel anything like my M3.
I loved my manual E92 M3 - LOVED IT. It was a standard one.
The graphs etc are really interesting, and I can see why they are being posted......but I didn't care about any of that.
The engine is a wonderful thing.......it transforms at the top of the rev range.
The standard interior is lovely.
The gearbox was fab in manual.
The steering feel is good too - on the second setting.
Brakes were a bit standard with the heavy car......but good enough for road use unless you're driving like a bit of a loon.
The slideable factor I've not had since my TVR(s) - but it is a much better car in every way than every TVR I've driven.
I've also been out with a pro race driver in a modified M3 V8 on various circuits, and the chassis was really very good on the circuit with uprated brakes etc.
I now have a 911 - and it's just completely different. It's a little faster in a straight line than the M3, but has so much more grip. Like hard to measure more grip. The seating position, steering etc is well, a 911 - so it's utterly fabulous.
You may as well compare a M3 to a Caterham (or a TVR as I just did ) than compare it to the 911. Two completely different cars.
I would have another M3 in a heartbeat if I hadn't already had one.
The graphs etc are really interesting, and I can see why they are being posted......but I didn't care about any of that.
The engine is a wonderful thing.......it transforms at the top of the rev range.
The standard interior is lovely.
The gearbox was fab in manual.
The steering feel is good too - on the second setting.
Brakes were a bit standard with the heavy car......but good enough for road use unless you're driving like a bit of a loon.
The slideable factor I've not had since my TVR(s) - but it is a much better car in every way than every TVR I've driven.
I've also been out with a pro race driver in a modified M3 V8 on various circuits, and the chassis was really very good on the circuit with uprated brakes etc.
I now have a 911 - and it's just completely different. It's a little faster in a straight line than the M3, but has so much more grip. Like hard to measure more grip. The seating position, steering etc is well, a 911 - so it's utterly fabulous.
You may as well compare a M3 to a Caterham (or a TVR as I just did ) than compare it to the 911. Two completely different cars.
I would have another M3 in a heartbeat if I hadn't already had one.
Tony B2 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I agree with what he says and it is a meh car as standard...if A) you've had something quicker/more exciting to drive previously, and B) if you've had a E9x 3 series previously it can feel not a big enough step up over the rest of the range in some ways.
It was interesting how he also mentioned that it doesn't really make that much performance for it's engine, and I felt the same, and I had bigger expectations of what a 4 Litre V8 should feel like as well.
Have you heard the expression "a stuck record"?It was interesting how he also mentioned that it doesn't really make that much performance for it's engine, and I felt the same, and I had bigger expectations of what a 4 Litre V8 should feel like as well.
Do you ever give it a rest?
In the last 12 months I have driven Audi R8 V10+ on track, and Porsche 911 (991.2) on track and road.
In spite of both costing roughly twice as much as the M3, and both being notably quicker, I do not feel short changed when I get back into my - standard, unmodified) - Competition Pack car.
Whilst I was seriously considering the 911 before I drove it, I am not now. Lovely car, but nowhere near twice as nice as the M3.
And even with extra power/torque from its turbo 3 litre, the engine is not the exquisite NA masterpiece that the S65 is.
I also have an E9x 330D to drive, and it might well be the perfect everyday car, but in no way does it feel anything like my M3.
...probably not as much as cerb4.5lee.
cerb4.5lee said:
I agree with what he says and it is a meh car as standard...if A) you've had something quicker/more exciting to drive previously, and B) if you've had a E9x 3 series previously it can feel not a big enough step up over the rest of the range in some ways.
It was interesting how he also mentioned that it doesn't really make that much performance for it's engine, and I felt the same, and I had bigger expectations of what a 4 Litre V8 should feel like as well.
I don't think it is a meh car as standard. It's so much more accomplished and fun than that suggests. Drive if from 2/10ths to 10/10ths on the road and it shines and rewards like few other cars that can carry four in comfort and get 2 kids in the back and have all the NCAP safety stuff going on too. In this weather, it's traction limited, which is great fun. Get on the power in 2nd and it lights the rears up with a roar from the V8 as they go (and a dab of opposite lock It was interesting how he also mentioned that it doesn't really make that much performance for it's engine, and I felt the same, and I had bigger expectations of what a 4 Litre V8 should feel like as well.
).Obviously, coming from the Cerb, which I guess was around 350 bhp per ton and 450kg less in weight, the M3 will feel slower and more refined, but it is still a hugely fun and rewarding car. The M3 is way more fun than my M135i was, which had enough torque low down to spin a single wheel at most junctions (grrr), but was very anodyne for such a brisk car. Compared to its peers and even some other cars that cost way more, the M3 V8 really, really rewards.
bennyboysvuk said:
In this weather, it's traction limited, which is great fun. Get on the power in 2nd and it lights the rears up with a roar from the V8 as they go (and a dab of opposite lock ).
I actually preferred the M3 to the Cerb in terms of opposite lock, and I thought it had a far better chassis set up, the M3 was miles more tied down at really high speed as well. ).
Proves all you need to know that the only way the M3 gets compared is to some of the best and most visceral sports cars ever made like 911s and TVRs when back in reality you cant compare those cars to an M3 because they cant do what it can do. Ie take more than two people anywhere or put something bigger than a handbag in the boot. Forget putting 3 mountain bikes on the roof (and a fourth in the boot) that I can do in my e92.
cerb4.5lee said:
bennyboysvuk said:
In this weather, it's traction limited, which is great fun. Get on the power in 2nd and it lights the rears up with a roar from the V8 as they go (and a dab of opposite lock ).
I actually preferred the M3 to the Cerb in terms of opposite lock, and I thought it had a far better chassis set up, the M3 was miles more tied down at really high speed as well. ).That’s worlds apart.
Cerberus Mk1 lights with non colour coded wheels 4.2 AJP or 4.5 AJP red rose perfection. S6 I’d always feel short changed V8 British brute of a sports car.
We’re they not cheaper than the E36!3.0ltr M3 when new?
Welshbeef said:
350bhp per tonne v what 230bhp per tonne.
That’s worlds apart.
Cerberus Mk1 lights with non colour coded wheels 4.2 AJP or 4.5 AJP red rose perfection. S6 I’d always feel short changed V8 British brute of a sports car.
We’re they not cheaper than the E36!3.0ltr M3 when new?
The E92 M3 is not 230/ton. Ridiculous.That’s worlds apart.
Cerberus Mk1 lights with non colour coded wheels 4.2 AJP or 4.5 AJP red rose perfection. S6 I’d always feel short changed V8 British brute of a sports car.
We’re they not cheaper than the E36!3.0ltr M3 when new?
More like 262, depending on the figure used for weight.
Tony B2 said:
Welshbeef said:
350bhp per tonne v what 230bhp per tonne.
That’s worlds apart.
Cerberus Mk1 lights with non colour coded wheels 4.2 AJP or 4.5 AJP red rose perfection. S6 I’d always feel short changed V8 British brute of a sports car.
We’re they not cheaper than the E36!3.0ltr M3 when new?
The E92 M3 is not 230/ton. Ridiculous.That’s worlds apart.
Cerberus Mk1 lights with non colour coded wheels 4.2 AJP or 4.5 AJP red rose perfection. S6 I’d always feel short changed V8 British brute of a sports car.
We’re they not cheaper than the E36!3.0ltr M3 when new?
More like 262, depending on the figure used for weight.
Torque per tonne is the killer and it helps explain with I criticise the E92 M3...185/ton for the M3...345/ton for the Cerbera. It's not all about numbers though, and historically the M3 has always been about handling and not performance.
Edited by cerb4.5lee on Thursday 4th January 20:19
tenmantaylor said:
Proves all you need to know that the only way the M3 gets compared is to some of the best and most visceral sports cars ever made like 911s and TVRs when back in reality you cant compare those cars to an M3 because they cant do what it can do. Ie take more than two people anywhere or put something bigger than a handbag in the boot. Forget putting 3 mountain bikes on the roof (and a fourth in the boot) that I can do in my e92.
I've not owned a 911 (yet), but it was on my list. However, the E92 is so good that at the moment, I can't see me ever wanting to part with it.I've had quite a few 911s and they are great cars. With half a ton of engine hanging over the rear wheels you get great traction.
The downside is that you can't take liberties with it. If it gets away from you then its likely to make a 911 shaped hole in the scenery.
With the E92 M3 you can instead get the back out and have some fun.
The downside is that you can't take liberties with it. If it gets away from you then its likely to make a 911 shaped hole in the scenery.
With the E92 M3 you can instead get the back out and have some fun.
Edited by Max Maxasson on Friday 5th January 12:21
Appreciate all the comments its good to read opinions. I've been watching classifieds now for a bit but cant see one I really like in my price range - think no more than £22k really, Im basically looking at very standard spec cars I think, so no chance of me getting a comp pack EDC DCT car I dont think, certainly not with warranty or without intergalactic mileage.
Theres a manual Silverstone, 40k miles with the newer idrive, 18" wheels, but then it lacks EDC, heated seats etc and I'm thinking DCT is the right gearbox.
Then theres another one with similar spec (parkway cars?) but its got the older idrive although the car looks very clean. Still doesnt feel like its the right car.
Ive been speaking to a friend whos clued up with BMWs and he rekons I would be best to just be patient and hold out for one I want but I am wondering if one will come up.
Also E46 M3, since when did a cab become £20-25k?!
Theres a manual Silverstone, 40k miles with the newer idrive, 18" wheels, but then it lacks EDC, heated seats etc and I'm thinking DCT is the right gearbox.
Then theres another one with similar spec (parkway cars?) but its got the older idrive although the car looks very clean. Still doesnt feel like its the right car.
Ive been speaking to a friend whos clued up with BMWs and he rekons I would be best to just be patient and hold out for one I want but I am wondering if one will come up.
Also E46 M3, since when did a cab become £20-25k?!
Hi OP
I've had 3 M3's over the years, an E46 CS and two E92's. One early E92 and one of the end of line special editions they made.
The E92 M3 is a great car with a really lovely engine. It is a big 4 seater with heavy leather seats etc so they are not a sports car but are a sporty comfortable 4 seat family car. Personally I'd go for an EDC car, the non EDC are too stiff even on the 18's. Not many will agree with me but I think the DCT is the best dual clutch of the generation, better than the PDK of that time. I found build quality to be good and had no problems with mine.
I really don't know what they are going for now but I actually think the E46 CS I had was a more fun car than the E92's, a bit rawer and with the CSL steering rack and wider front tyres (both standard on the CS) the handling was significantly better than the standard E46 M3.
I had the M Performance exhaust on my E92's and it made the car sound awesome, forget the hack thing and get a proper sports exhaust front to back!
I've had 3 M3's over the years, an E46 CS and two E92's. One early E92 and one of the end of line special editions they made.
The E92 M3 is a great car with a really lovely engine. It is a big 4 seater with heavy leather seats etc so they are not a sports car but are a sporty comfortable 4 seat family car. Personally I'd go for an EDC car, the non EDC are too stiff even on the 18's. Not many will agree with me but I think the DCT is the best dual clutch of the generation, better than the PDK of that time. I found build quality to be good and had no problems with mine.
I really don't know what they are going for now but I actually think the E46 CS I had was a more fun car than the E92's, a bit rawer and with the CSL steering rack and wider front tyres (both standard on the CS) the handling was significantly better than the standard E46 M3.
I had the M Performance exhaust on my E92's and it made the car sound awesome, forget the hack thing and get a proper sports exhaust front to back!
MikeGoodwin said:
Appreciate all the comments its good to read opinions. I've been watching classifieds now for a bit but cant see one I really like in my price range - think no more than £22k really, Im basically looking at very standard spec cars I think, so no chance of me getting a comp pack EDC DCT car I dont think, certainly not with warranty or without intergalactic mileage.
Theres a manual Silverstone, 40k miles with the newer idrive, 18" wheels, but then it lacks EDC, heated seats etc and I'm thinking DCT is the right gearbox.
Then theres another one with similar spec (parkway cars?) but its got the older idrive although the car looks very clean. Still doesnt feel like its the right car.
Ive been speaking to a friend whos clued up with BMWs and he rekons I would be best to just be patient and hold out for one I want but I am wondering if one will come up.
Also E46 M3, since when did a cab become £20-25k?!
OP the E92 M3 with DCT is an absolutely wonderful car, with one of THE great N/A engines in my opinion (and I've owned a few). I can't comment on the manual or EDC as haven't tried either but found the ride in mine absolutely fine on 19" rims. It remains the longest I've kept any car at 3 years...Theres a manual Silverstone, 40k miles with the newer idrive, 18" wheels, but then it lacks EDC, heated seats etc and I'm thinking DCT is the right gearbox.
Then theres another one with similar spec (parkway cars?) but its got the older idrive although the car looks very clean. Still doesnt feel like its the right car.
Ive been speaking to a friend whos clued up with BMWs and he rekons I would be best to just be patient and hold out for one I want but I am wondering if one will come up.
Also E46 M3, since when did a cab become £20-25k?!
MikeGoodwin said:
Appreciate all the comments its good to read opinions. I've been watching classifieds now for a bit but cant see one I really like in my price range - think no more than £22k really, Im basically looking at very standard spec cars I think, so no chance of me getting a comp pack EDC DCT car I dont think, certainly not with warranty or without intergalactic mileage.
Theres a manual Silverstone, 40k miles with the newer idrive, 18" wheels, but then it lacks EDC, heated seats etc and I'm thinking DCT is the right gearbox.
Then theres another one with similar spec (parkway cars?) but its got the older idrive although the car looks very clean. Still doesnt feel like its the right car.
Ive been speaking to a friend whos clued up with BMWs and he rekons I would be best to just be patient and hold out for one I want but I am wondering if one will come up.
Listen to your mate and just go drive some. Don't get one till your happy with the price/condition/spec.Theres a manual Silverstone, 40k miles with the newer idrive, 18" wheels, but then it lacks EDC, heated seats etc and I'm thinking DCT is the right gearbox.
Then theres another one with similar spec (parkway cars?) but its got the older idrive although the car looks very clean. Still doesnt feel like its the right car.
Ive been speaking to a friend whos clued up with BMWs and he rekons I would be best to just be patient and hold out for one I want but I am wondering if one will come up.
I looked for 6 months and ended up slightly compromising on spec but got by far the best price and condition out there. The specs I compromised on were EDC and newer iDrive. I wanted a manual and the feel of the gearboxes was quite different. One wouldn't go into second without a fight and a click. The one I got it's like oiled rubber. Drove a couple of DCTs too to make sure and knew I wouldn't find it rewarding enough (as impressive as they were).
EDC made no difference to daily driving. The soft setting felt the same as a non-EDC car so not much point in having it for a daily car. The newer iDrive has slightly better sat nav but still absolute cack compared to the latest phone apps. I've set my programmable wheel button to turn the screen off. Never use it, just use my S8 with waze, google assistant, tune in radio through a £12 aukey bluetooth connection kit that streams all calls and audio through the armrest aux and powered from the usb in there. Works a treat.
The original alu idrive dial looks much nicer too! Now just need to get a pristine alu fascia for the dash to match it (the dull grey is boring on a black interior).
The adverts only tell half the story, you have to go see them.
EDC would be on the top of my would-like list. I find myself switching between 'Comfort' (around town) 'Normal' when going for a hoon; the 'Sport' setting is too hard for anything but the track (even on 18" winter wheels). Sure, I could manage with just 'Normal' but I'd rather ditch the DCT for EDC (and I didn't get on that well with the clutch/gearshift). Having a quick browse on AT, the EDC ones seemed to have gone up in price, compared to when I was looking for one ..
Edited by fido on Friday 5th January 11:59
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