F90 M5 first performance test numbers
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t, and toque levels a joke.It is common for high reviving engines to sacrifice some torque for work done (power). The delivery will be different but the power is higher and the car quicker as a result, however if you drive like a wuss and try to waft along in high gear just using the low speed torque it ill feel gutless, it requires RPM to come alive, this is part of its charm and marks it as a true Mpower engine.
DVandrews said:
It is common for high reviving engines to sacrifice some torque for work done (power). The delivery will be different but the power is higher and the car quicker as a result, however if you drive like a wuss and try to waft along in high gear just using the low speed torque it ill feel gutless, it requires RPM to come alive, this is part of its charm and marks it as a true Mpower engine.
Doesnt the F10 M5 rev to 7,500 and the E60 to 8,250 rpm so a mere 750 extra rpmClearly they could have twin turbo charged he E60 M5 now that would make it an utter animal.
F10 redlines at 7250.... I love the way you can waft around at low RPM as if it were a great big diesel but then hold it in-gear in say fourth all the way to 120-odd. It also has a strange sense of very linear acceleration because you have to be going some before it properly hooks up and grips. It would be interesting to see how the F90 compares in this respect.
Patrick Bateman said:
Welshbeef said:
Subjective surely.
F10 will be savage/mad man from 1,500 rpm
E60 will be a lunatic from 6,000 rpm and spine tingling at that point.
Technically subjective, sure, but I would wonder about the man who didn't find the V10 at full chat more intoxicating. F10 will be savage/mad man from 1,500 rpm
E60 will be a lunatic from 6,000 rpm and spine tingling at that point.
DVandrews said:
It is common for high reviving engines to sacrifice some torque for work done (power). The delivery will be different but the power is higher and the car quicker as a result, however if you drive like a wuss and try to waft along in high gear just using the low speed torque it ill feel gutless, it requires RPM to come alive, this is part of its charm and marks it as a true Mpower engine.
I do agree with this but with hindsight now the V10 was quite a strange engine to put into an executive express. They're not the characteristics of a cruiser to have to rev the nuts off the engine to get it to perform. Surely a torquey engine like the F10/F90 suits that type of car much better. The E39 M5 is my favourite M5 of the lot, but even that went against the grain of a comfortable cruiser by having a manual gearbox.
BMW used to be quite individual when you look back now. Now they're just the exact same as their rival manufacturers.
cerb4.5lee said:
I do agree with this but with hindsight now the V10 was quite a strange engine to put into an executive express. They're not the characteristics of a cruiser to have to rev the nuts off the engine to get it to perform. Surely a torquey engine like the F10/F90 suits that type of car much better.
The E39 M5 is my favourite M5 of the lot, but even that went against the grain of a comfortable cruiser by having a manual gearbox.
BMW used to be quite individual when you look back now. Now they're just the exact same as their rival manufacturers.
They can't win with you! You hated the high revving V8/V10 and now they're wrong for sorting it out? The E39 M5 is my favourite M5 of the lot, but even that went against the grain of a comfortable cruiser by having a manual gearbox.
BMW used to be quite individual when you look back now. Now they're just the exact same as their rival manufacturers.
Welshbeef said:
Patrick Bateman said:
Pretty sure the F10 isn't as high as that.
Regardless, it's pretty obvious which engine of the two would be the more exciting.
Subjective surely. Regardless, it's pretty obvious which engine of the two would be the more exciting.
F10 will be savage/mad man from 1,500 rpm
E60 will be a lunatic from 6,000 rpm and spine tingling at that point.
You feel the power building above 3,000 rpm and at 5,000 rpm plus it is genuinely savage.
I think the issue is actually that the high torque at low rpm means that it spends more time at the 'wafty' end of things on the road. I have not had the pleasure of driving an e60 M5, but imagine the nature of the engine means that you spend more time at higher revs enjoying the noise.
The F10 is certainly not dull, and for me a lot of the charm comes from the challenge of laying down the power through the rear wheels. I am concerned that the F90 may lose some of that 'interest' in the quest for AMG / RS tackling speed. But that is what most people seem to want.
cerb4.5lee said:
I do agree with this but with hindsight now the V10 was quite a strange engine to put into an executive express. They're not the characteristics of a cruiser to have to rev the nuts off the engine to get it to perform. Surely a torquey engine like the F10/F90 suits that type of car much better.
The E39 M5 is my favourite M5 of the lot, but even that went against the grain of a comfortable cruiser by having a manual gearbox.
BMW used to be quite individual when you look back now. Now they're just the exact same as their rival manufacturers.
e39 is all the better for having a manual though.The E39 M5 is my favourite M5 of the lot, but even that went against the grain of a comfortable cruiser by having a manual gearbox.
BMW used to be quite individual when you look back now. Now they're just the exact same as their rival manufacturers.
People seem to forget the engines in the e28 and e34. Even the e39 needed you to grab it by the scruff of the neck to do its best work- as any great engine should, although it was still very good at the lower end.
You're right on everyone being the same now though, not much variation at all.
janesmith1950 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I do agree with this but with hindsight now the V10 was quite a strange engine to put into an executive express. They're not the characteristics of a cruiser to have to rev the nuts off the engine to get it to perform. Surely a torquey engine like the F10/F90 suits that type of car much better.
The E39 M5 is my favourite M5 of the lot, but even that went against the grain of a comfortable cruiser by having a manual gearbox.
BMW used to be quite individual when you look back now. Now they're just the exact same as their rival manufacturers.
They can't win with you! You hated the high revving V8/V10 and now they're wrong for sorting it out? The E39 M5 is my favourite M5 of the lot, but even that went against the grain of a comfortable cruiser by having a manual gearbox.
BMW used to be quite individual when you look back now. Now they're just the exact same as their rival manufacturers.
cerb4.5lee said:
Patrick Bateman said:
e39 is all the better for having a manual though.
Yes I agree and I love a manual gearbox, although I'd have thought most would want an Auto in a 5 series though. Output Flange said:
Welshbeef said:
I think this is very true - people use the M5 as a daily driver ie the one car garage
Please, spend some time in an M5 (ANY M5) before your next post on this thread. Despite having the most to say, you don't appear to know anything about them.I can see you have adapted older versions of he M5 into full on track cars you are in the tiny minority I doubt anyone would track prepare a brand new M5 as it’s a mighty costly thing to do and would ruin its resale value.
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