M2 Competition
Discussion
I've not read a review that doesn't say things like "the M2C is the car that the M2 always should have been" etc etc. They all rate the manual as their choice for the car, not as fast 0-60 etc as DCT but I don't care.
I'm so glad I've gone back to a manual car after a few years in the driving enjoyment wilderness...
I'm so glad I've gone back to a manual car after a few years in the driving enjoyment wilderness...
[url]
|https://thumbsnap.com/uh36ocNr[/url][url]
|https://thumbsnap.com/tHPe46gV[/url]Not sure of interest but some pics taken in a rush at the dealer's holding compound. Delivery on Tuesday once other wheels fitted. Have to say I'm glad I chose the orange highlights inside rather than the blue.
Wills2 said:
Oddly when I sit on the seat I come into contact with the seat and it's covering material.
HTH.
Nude driving isn’t for everyone, but if it works for you...HTH.
Take it to a retrimmer - they can use the existing covers as patterns, and you can get the seat covering exactly the way you want it for less than BMW would charge you for a replacement.
HTH
[Quote]Not sure of interest but some pics taken in a rush at the dealer's holding compound. Delivery on Tuesday once other wheels fitted. Have to say I'm glad I chose the orange highlights inside rather than the blue.
[/quote]
Looks great, bet you can't wait to get your hands on it!
Orange trim FTW!
[/quote]
Looks great, bet you can't wait to get your hands on it!
Orange trim FTW!
Edited by mikeN54 on Saturday 15th September 08:43
ftypical said:
Nude driving isn’t for everyone, but if it works for you...
Take it to a retrimmer - they can use the existing covers as patterns, and you can get the seat covering exactly the way you want it for less than BMW would charge you for a replacement.
HTH
Ah you're one of those posters, noted. Take it to a retrimmer - they can use the existing covers as patterns, and you can get the seat covering exactly the way you want it for less than BMW would charge you for a replacement.
HTH
Yes, hence the bit about using a retrimmer if the finish of the leather bothers you as much as it seems to.
The leather of the seat bolsters on MB appear to crease very easily and at surprisingly low mileage. How does the leather they use compare?
Also: in what way does the leather finish you would prefer differ from that you don’t?
TIA
The leather of the seat bolsters on MB appear to crease very easily and at surprisingly low mileage. How does the leather they use compare?
Also: in what way does the leather finish you would prefer differ from that you don’t?
TIA
ftypical said:
Yes, hence the bit about using a retrimmer if the finish of the leather bothers you as much as it seems to.
The leather of the seat bolsters on MB appear to crease very easily and at surprisingly low mileage. How does the leather they use compare?
Also: in what way does the leather finish you would prefer differ from that you don’t?
TIA
The bottom end MB stuff is artificial and the BMW might as well be. Dakota is awful feeling/looking stuff.The leather of the seat bolsters on MB appear to crease very easily and at surprisingly low mileage. How does the leather they use compare?
Also: in what way does the leather finish you would prefer differ from that you don’t?
TIA
You can pay more for better stuff on most models and the leather in the M3/4 is much nicer than Dakota (softer feeling, more supple and looks less like they used the same plastic on the seats as the dash top).
I find dakota a great easy maintenance hard wearing leather. My old 335i had it and it was like new after 4yrs, no creases or shiny patches.
Had fancy leather in my E63 amg and that was sweaty and easily marked or damaged even with just a accidental scratch with a fingernail. And the side bolsters were fooked after 2 yrs.
Got full merino in the M6 GC and it take's some looking after to keep its satin finish and avoid the 70''s shiny sofa look. Again it's very easily marked and damaged.
Would have preferred a cloth alcantara option, but perfectly OK with dakota..
Had fancy leather in my E63 amg and that was sweaty and easily marked or damaged even with just a accidental scratch with a fingernail. And the side bolsters were fooked after 2 yrs.
Got full merino in the M6 GC and it take's some looking after to keep its satin finish and avoid the 70''s shiny sofa look. Again it's very easily marked and damaged.
Would have preferred a cloth alcantara option, but perfectly OK with dakota..
the chassis and drive train are all that bothers me about a genuine drivers car - and the M2 is a genuine drivers car that is actually quite practical. Not a missile on wheels wirh an inadequate chassis. On that basis If the chassis and drivetrain are better in the new car, that’s good but they need to overcome a lot more weight. Let’s hope that they do
Steve Rance said:
the chassis and drive train are all that bothers me about a genuine drivers car - and the M2 is a genuine drivers car that is actually quite practical. Not a missile on wheels wirh an inadequate chassis. On that basis If the chassis and drivetrain are better in the new car, that’s good but they need to overcome a lot more weight. Let’s hope that they do
The only chassis/handling changes are the addition of the two engine bay strut braces (one carbon and the rear engine bay aluminium one which is more effective). Springs/dampers and suspension arms etc are exactly the same as the original M2. Tweaks have been made to the DSC/EPAS and MDM but that is it.
Steve Rance said:
the chassis and drive train are all that bothers me about a genuine drivers car - and the M2 is a genuine drivers car that is actually quite practical. Not a missile on wheels wirh an inadequate chassis
Quite. As long as the interior is smart and functional that'll do for me.mikeN54 said:
I gather there's a few rear end changes too.
New rose jointed linkages and solid subframe mounts too. And tweaked geometry. All together with new steering programming giving a very different feel according to reviews.
read what I said above.New rose jointed linkages and solid subframe mounts too. And tweaked geometry. All together with new steering programming giving a very different feel according to reviews.
Bladerunner1968 said:
Springs/dampers and suspension arms etc are exactly the same as the original M2.
there has been no rear end changes at all. Both cars are the same in that area too! Their parts catalogue confirms it. The same parts catalogue that confirms the M2C has the S55 engine and strut braces/mirrors/front bumper changes etc but nothing about suspension or chassis. The journo's are assuming too much.. The same type of journo's who say pressing the sport buttons alters the suspension profile (false!)
At the end of the day both cars are good and I'd be very disappointed if the M2C wasn't 'better' than the OG M2. However 'better' will only mostly be apparent on the track where, 99% of drivers will never find the differences.
Edited by bladerunner1968 on Sunday 16th September 10:55
Steve Rance said:
Are you sure that there are no other changes to the chassis?
Not from what the official parts catalogue is telling us Steve. M2C changes in this area appear to be limited to strut brace additions and software tweaking.
Even the springs and shocks are the same between the three M2 variants.
Edited by bladerunner1968 on Sunday 16th September 22:19
If that’s the case then it’s very disappointing - but not surprising - that the motoring press hasn’t picked up on it. Many really do take a ‘kings new clothes’ attitude to cars and are just not good enough drivers to understand what is happening when a car is under them.
I hope that I’m wrong but It’s possible that yet again BMW have taken the typical ‘more power, more weight, more electronic management’ option. The original M2 was the only M car in a long time where the emphasis was on tactility and driving reward. They had a great opportunity to take more weight out of it and make it even sharper
I hope that I’m wrong but It’s possible that yet again BMW have taken the typical ‘more power, more weight, more electronic management’ option. The original M2 was the only M car in a long time where the emphasis was on tactility and driving reward. They had a great opportunity to take more weight out of it and make it even sharper
Steve Rance said:
If that’s the case then it’s very disappointing - but not surprising - that the motoring press hasn’t picked up on it. Many really do take a ‘kings new clothes’ attitude to cars and are just not good enough drivers to understand what is happening when a car is under them.
I hope that I’m wrong but It’s possible that yet again BMW have taken the typical ‘more power, more weight, more electronic management’ option. The original M2 was the only M car in a long time where the emphasis was on tactility and driving reward. They had a great opportunity to take more weight out of it and make it even sharper
Very good Steve but it just goes to show how good a base platform the original M2 is where they haven't had to amend the car's DNA via spring or damper changes etc. when adding the heavier engine package for the M2C marketing variant.I hope that I’m wrong but It’s possible that yet again BMW have taken the typical ‘more power, more weight, more electronic management’ option. The original M2 was the only M car in a long time where the emphasis was on tactility and driving reward. They had a great opportunity to take more weight out of it and make it even sharper
Isn't part (or even most?) of the reason the M2C came into being simply that BMW couldn't or didn't want to certify the N55 engine to the Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure? So hardly surprising they did minimal parts bin engineering but the marketeers called it the "competition" ala what they did for the M3/4/5 to add some hype. But hardly anything "competition" or hard core about the car.
Agree, the base M2 was / is a great car, a sprinkling of over keen journos have turned the M2C into a whole new car!
I prefer the new look of the M2C and the new engine appeals to me over the M2, but drive wise if its as the M2 i'll be happy.
We all know cars drive better after they've been cleaned, this is a bit of the same IMO..
I prefer the new look of the M2C and the new engine appeals to me over the M2, but drive wise if its as the M2 i'll be happy.
We all know cars drive better after they've been cleaned, this is a bit of the same IMO..
Gassing Station | M Power | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff