M2 Competition
Discussion
tertius said:
Thanks very much - wanting a manual would have made it a much longer search I imagine, not many of them about!
I was told that manuals represent about 25% of M2 Comps. I don't know the authenticity of that statement however!I have also just purchased a set of Frozen Gold 763M wheels with Cup 2 tyres. Not fitted yet.
Gratuitous picture opportunity:
London GT3 said:
I was told that manuals represent about 25% of M2 Comps. I don't know the authenticity of that statement however!
I have also just purchased a set of Frozen Gold 763M wheels with Cup 2 tyres. Not fitted yet.
(I removed the pic but lovely - definitely my first choice colour!)I have also just purchased a set of Frozen Gold 763M wheels with Cup 2 tyres. Not fitted yet.
Regarding manuals vs DCT - a quick search for M2 Comp on AT gives 153 DCT vs 3 (yes THREE) manual cars for sale. So that's just under 2% of the cars for sale.
tertius said:
(I removed the pic but lovely - definitely my first choice colour!)
Regarding manuals vs DCT - a quick search for M2 Comp on AT gives 153 DCT vs 3 (yes THREE) manual cars for sale. So that's just under 2% of the cars for sale.
That might just be those with manuals are holding onto them longer? Regarding manuals vs DCT - a quick search for M2 Comp on AT gives 153 DCT vs 3 (yes THREE) manual cars for sale. So that's just under 2% of the cars for sale.
It says on how many left that there are 926 manual M2s and 4600 autos.
That is all M2s not just Competitions.
Competitions is 317 vs 2100.
Competition manuals will become a very desirable classic before its time imho with such low numbers.
I did a little research into manual M2C numbers and came up with a figure of 1 in 7 which I have seen reported elsewhere.
I think the lack of manual availability is tied partly to the fact 99% of manuals would have been customer specified orders as dealers seem to have mostly ordered DCT, so if the spec locked before a customer came along and specifically requested a manual that would lead to large numbers of DCTs.
My thoughts are DCT was good for the first sale by the BMW dealer, but thereafter manuals will hold up better, particularly at their current point in the depreciation curve as buying a new car with all the dealers offers available is not too challenging, but in the used car market finance is harder to come by so your buyer is more likely to want something specific, rather than whatever is going for £500pcm. I hope that makes sense, and again, is just my opinion.
I think the lack of manual availability is tied partly to the fact 99% of manuals would have been customer specified orders as dealers seem to have mostly ordered DCT, so if the spec locked before a customer came along and specifically requested a manual that would lead to large numbers of DCTs.
My thoughts are DCT was good for the first sale by the BMW dealer, but thereafter manuals will hold up better, particularly at their current point in the depreciation curve as buying a new car with all the dealers offers available is not too challenging, but in the used car market finance is harder to come by so your buyer is more likely to want something specific, rather than whatever is going for £500pcm. I hope that makes sense, and again, is just my opinion.
gizlaroc said:
That might just be those with manuals are holding onto them longer?
It says on how many left that there are 926 manual M2s and 4600 autos.
That is all M2s not just Competitions.
Competitions is 317 vs 2100.
Competition manuals will become a very desirable classic before its time imho with such low numbers.
Not sure it's classic material imo. Sure it's a decent car, but for the most part it sounds pretty sIt says on how many left that there are 926 manual M2s and 4600 autos.
That is all M2s not just Competitions.
Competitions is 317 vs 2100.
Competition manuals will become a very desirable classic before its time imho with such low numbers.
t has wky electric steering, st oversprung suspension and some fairly dodgy throttle mapping and quite obviously tuned mapping to take power and toruque out of it. It's a good car for the time, but it's no classic imo. An e46 m3 is by far a better drivers car. Having owned all M3 variants from the e46 onwards (and currently a M2C) I agree the e46 s54 engine is epic and my favourite of all of them. However with regard to steering feel and damping I think the M2C is at least as good- if not better. My M2 is a manual and is pretty much in a class of its own currently (I can only think of the 718 4.0 boxster/cayman as 6 cylinder alternatives and spec for spec-after discounts is + £20k more)
I have an M2c as well. It's a good car, I just think the term classic is banded about far to easily because a car happens to be quick and have a manual box. In the current crop of cars with increasingly artificial features, it ranks well, but in the grand scheme of things I just don't think it would rank at all.
Maybe its a wider piece about realising that power/acceleration aren't really as important as a well matched engine and chassis combination is. It seems manufacturers haven't gotten there yet. I think that's potentially/hopefully coming though.
Maybe its a wider piece about realising that power/acceleration aren't really as important as a well matched engine and chassis combination is. It seems manufacturers haven't gotten there yet. I think that's potentially/hopefully coming though.
whatleytom said:
I have an M2c as well. It's a good car, I just think the term classic is banded about far to easily because a car happens to be quick and have a manual box. In the current crop of cars with increasingly artificial features, it ranks well, but in the grand scheme of things I just don't think it would rank at all.
Maybe its a wider piece about realising that power/acceleration aren't really as important as a well matched engine and chassis combination is. It seems manufacturers haven't gotten there yet. I think that's potentially/hopefully coming though.
My feelings too, I'd rate my old E46 M3 above my M2C for enjoyment/involvement but I think out of the current options its way up there. I value steering feel and feedback and the more modern the car the less of this you get in my experience. Maybe its a wider piece about realising that power/acceleration aren't really as important as a well matched engine and chassis combination is. It seems manufacturers haven't gotten there yet. I think that's potentially/hopefully coming though.
There are two sets left for the below if anyone is interested.
The post is on Facebook m2 owners page
Only 5 sets available for this group buy.
The offer.......
“Litchfield / Nitron BMW M2M2C coilover suspension kit, to include corner weighting and Litchfield laser alignment
Usual price is £2,904 inc VAT fitted.
Group buy offer 10% off which is £290.40 discount.
Group buy price £2613.60 inc VAT.
If you would like to take advantage of this offer please mention below and I will add you to the list. I will then pass the list on to Litchfield. All you need to do then is call up Litchfield and book in to have the Nitron's fitted. They may take a deposit at the point of booking.
https://www.litchfieldmotors.com/bmw/m2-competitio...
The post is on Facebook m2 owners page
- *Litchfield Motors Nitron Coilover Group Buy***
Only 5 sets available for this group buy.
The offer.......
“Litchfield / Nitron BMW M2M2C coilover suspension kit, to include corner weighting and Litchfield laser alignment
Usual price is £2,904 inc VAT fitted.
Group buy offer 10% off which is £290.40 discount.
Group buy price £2613.60 inc VAT.
If you would like to take advantage of this offer please mention below and I will add you to the list. I will then pass the list on to Litchfield. All you need to do then is call up Litchfield and book in to have the Nitron's fitted. They may take a deposit at the point of booking.
https://www.litchfieldmotors.com/bmw/m2-competitio...
Interesting review of the M2CS on Harry's Garage today.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9CUkonyIZs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9CUkonyIZs
This week I have mostly been tinkering :
Winter wheels & Tyres off.
Wheel Arch protectors removed (much nicer without).
Running-In Service this afternoon - While-u-Wait 1.5hrs.
Quick Jet Wash to remove bird poo collected whilst getting service
What can I lift the revs to now ?
Winter wheels & Tyres off.
Wheel Arch protectors removed (much nicer without).
Running-In Service this afternoon - While-u-Wait 1.5hrs.
Quick Jet Wash to remove bird poo collected whilst getting service
What can I lift the revs to now ?
Edited by mr momo on Tuesday 23 March 19:12
whatleytom said:
Not sure it's classic material imo. Sure it's a decent car, but for the most part it sounds pretty st has wky electric steering, st oversprung suspension and some fairly dodgy throttle mapping and quite obviously tuned mapping to take power and toruque out of it. It's a good car for the time, but it's no classic imo. An e46 m3 is by far a better drivers car.
I agree, I have had 3 E46 M3's, and think they were the high point of BMW M cars. t has wky electric steering, st oversprung suspension and some fairly dodgy throttle mapping and quite obviously tuned mapping to take power and toruque out of it. It's a good car for the time, but it's no classic imo. An e46 m3 is by far a better drivers car. The M2 Comp, as you say, is not the best when it comes to out of the box suspension, the steering is not as good as the E46 M3, but then everyone moaned about the steering on that when the CSL came out, but you have to remember what makes a car a classic.
Let's be honest, what makes a car a classic is people getting older, modern cars getting even more muted and suddenly the cars from 20 odd years ago, that are still very usable, looking far more fun. Then it comes down to which was the most fun of that lot.
That is why the M2 Comp in manual guise will become a classic. It is arguably one of the best 4 seater compact coupes you can currently buy, and will be the best 20 year old compact coupe you can buy in 20 years time too. By then an E46 M3 will be almost 40 years old, and there are not all that many 40 year old cars I can think of that I would want to own today, as to be honest, when I was 7 I didn't lust after them at the time, and those that I did lust after in the 80s when I was getting closer to age where I could drive, are now not quite as appealing as they were then, and far, far more expensive than I can afford. They would be great as a 4th, 5th or 6th car, but that will never happen.
There will be lads who are 18-20 now lusting over an M2 Comp who will consider one in 20 years time I am sure, just as the E46 M3 as it reaches 20 years old is starting to see a those same lads snap them up now and pay good money for them.
I found the advert for one of my old E46 M3s on Cutters the other day, 2001 Carbon Black with Kiwi, 80k miles and an asking price of £8250, that was 8 years ago, that would be worth £14k now even with 120k miles on it I am sure.
The M2 Comp is a pretty special little car in todays market, and that is why I think it will become a classic.
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