M2C or used 991/997

M2C or used 991/997

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Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Monday 5th November 2018
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Given OP has done M cars and 911’s before why not look at the Lotus Evora?

FTW

532 posts

177 months

Thursday 8th November 2018
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I was in a very similar position albeit an M3 Competition. After much deliberation I’ve bought a Cayman R.

It’s a weekend/touring/trackday car and feels very special every time I get in it from holding the key to sliding into the fixed carbon buckets and extracting the most out of the Chassis and engine. Being a gen2 987 and an R it has the reliable DFi engine so no durability worries, GT3 doors, LSD, more downforce and a different Chassis tune. One more point is the low depreciation compared to a brand new M car.

An M3 has more tech and is way faster in most circumstances but I don’t regret it and it was driving an R that sold it to me.

Wills2

22,875 posts

176 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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You're going to want a Porsche warranty on your 991, the cheapest C2S on the Porsche website is 48k but that has 72,000 miles on it and is 6 years old, they next one is 55k with 50,000 miles on it at 5 years old.

I think it's difficult to compare a zero mile brand new M2C and a 50-70k mile 5-6 year old 911 for the same money, the OP talks about a low mileage 991, a sub 30,000 mile example is over 60k and still 5-6 years old, so you're already 10-15k over your budget.

991 is a great car and all 991s are better sports cars than the M2/3/4 but it's not a simple swap on the money front, the 991 will cost more to buy and run than a brand new zero mile M2C with a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty.

Get the 991 but not because you think it'll cost no more.

I've had one 911 and 5 M cars, if the 911 was the same price to own and run that ratio would be reversed, as the Porsche is the better car to drive by miles.







Edited by Wills2 on Friday 9th November 23:39

FTW

532 posts

177 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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Thank you for the respect and I agree, especially for such gifted pedalers as ourselves.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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Wills2 said:
You're going to want a Porsche warranty on your 991, the cheapest C2S on the Porsche website is 48k but that has 72,000 miles on it and is 6 years old, they next one is 55k with 50,000 miles on it at 5 years old.

I think it's difficult to compare a zero mile brand new M2C and a 50-70k mile 5-6 year old 911 for the same money, the OP talks about a low mileage 991 a sub 30,000 mile example is over 60k and still 5-6 years old, so you're already 10-15k over your budget.

991 is a great car and all 991s are better sports cars that M2/3/4 but it's not the a simple swap on the money front the 991 will cost more to buy and run than a brand new zero mile M2C with a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty.

Get the 991 but not because you think it'll cost no more.

I've had one 911 and 5 M cars, if the 911 was the same price to own and run that ratio would be reversed, as the Porsche is the better car to drive by miles.





Edited by Wills2 on Friday 9th November 11:13
it's a great point. My F80 was stolen a couple of weeks ago. I'm tempted to replace it with a Cayman GTS. The only thing holding me back is the pants engine.

Wills2

22,875 posts

176 months

Friday 9th November 2018
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janesmith1950 said:
it's a great point. My F80 was stolen a couple of weeks ago. I'm tempted to replace it with a Cayman GTS. The only thing holding me back is the pants engine.
I was at the PEC at Silverstone a few weeks ago driving all the Porsche range, the 718 is a tremendous car and the best car I drove all day, as you had the S55 in the M3 you'll be used to the sound! biggrin It sounds fine not like the old F6 but no worse than our M3s.

Go see James at the Leeds OPC a good bloke, no bullst he'll sort you out with everything.




Eviltad

1,320 posts

180 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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So has this been concluded?

E92 M3 to 991 C2 OR M2 is one of my regular ponderings so interested to know how they compare when driven.

Steve Rance

5,447 posts

232 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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Having driven all of them in anger, i'd take the 991 first - by a long way. It's a far sharper tool than the other two. The choice between the M3 and M2 is closer. The M3 engine is lovely but the chassis on the M2 is so good that i'd take it over the M3.

Steve Rance

5,447 posts

232 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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Apologies. Sorry to confuse. I have yet to drive the M2C, my comparison was with the M2

130R

6,810 posts

207 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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The price difference between a 991 and M2C is huge comparing like for like though ..

Jazzer

1,676 posts

205 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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911 all day long. They’re just so much more special, an event every time you drive them. They’re not cheap to buy and maintain, but they do hold value so much better than any Beemer. BMW make some great cars, but they’re not focused sports cars like the 911/Cayman/Boxter.

Billy_Whizzzz

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2,010 posts

144 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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Eviltad said:
So has this been concluded?

E92 M3 to 991 C2 OR M2 is one of my regular ponderings so interested to know how they compare when driven.
Long hard decision, and I know 991/7.2 are both more special, but (boringly perhaps) I’ve stuck with my original decision and the M2C (manual) which I’m collecting later in the week. I’m looking now for an 997.2 C2 pure base model to complement it though, and not to hammer it with 20+k per annum miles which is what the M2C will do which is on per what swayed me.

e30m3Mark

16,205 posts

174 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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Output Flange

16,801 posts

212 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
Long hard decision, and I know 991/7.2 are both more special, but (boringly perhaps) I’ve stuck with my original decision and the M2C (manual) which I’m collecting later in the week. I’m looking now for an 997.2 C2 pure base model to complement it though, and not to hammer it with 20+k per annum miles which is what the M2C will do which is on per what swayed me.
IMO I'd save the money towards a 991 over a 997. You'll find it a much, much better car. And add an 'S' to the moniker.

Jazzer said:
911 all day long. They’re just so much more special, an event every time you drive them
That's just not true. They're decent cars, but I can count off many forgettable miles in both 997s and 991s.

MGR

195 posts

189 months

Monday 19th November 2018
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
Eviltad said:
So has this been concluded?

E92 M3 to 991 C2 OR M2 is one of my regular ponderings so interested to know how they compare when driven.
Long hard decision, and I know 991/7.2 are both more special, but (boringly perhaps) I’ve stuck with my original decision and the M2C (manual) which I’m collecting later in the week. I’m looking now for an 997.2 C2 pure base model to complement it though, and not to hammer it with 20+k per annum miles which is what the M2C will do which is on per what swayed me.
I’d pick something other than a 911 if I had an M2C. They are too similar in my opinion in terms of performance and usage. it wouldn’t be different enough to make the 911 worth owning. I’d go for something more hardcore or different. I currently have an e36 M3 and 997 c2s and just end up taking whichever is behind on the drive. I should change the 911 for something more like an Elise.

I’m probably in a minority but I’ve never thought the 911 was that much of a step up and the running costs are a lot higher. None of my mates that have driven it have been blown away either, it’s very good but I’ve only kept it as long as I have as I like the looks.