F90 M5 Competition
Discussion
HoHoHo said:
It looks brilliant in black, not sure living in the country with filthy roads I could live with it hence going with Donnington Grey.
Look forward to hearing more reviews of what has to be one of the best DD's you can buy
I can attest that Carbbn Black is a ball ache but when it's clean, oh myLook forward to hearing more reviews of what has to be one of the best DD's you can buy
This Blood Rain we are having at the moment would look ace
Cimaguy said:
theboss said:
Even so... that’s incredibly strong residuals on the RS6. I’d much rather take the M5 in that situation, purple or not, and I love RS6’s
Indeed, that said the new rs6 is due out soon and the old will no doubt take a hit.I really liked the m5 but loved the rs6 and when you're spending that sort of money you have to go for the car you want to drive. Doing a lot of mtb riding the estate works better for my needs as well.
Whichever choice they are both awesome cars. Yes, mine will take a dip when the new Audi comes out but I'm willing to bet it'll keep similar to the new m5 in % terms of depreciation.
Add my 2 cents into the RS6 debate. I had one briefly last year, brought for just under 43k from AUC. Car was rejected due to some issues, they sold it on 3 months after my initial purchase for about 4k more!
If I had kept it, it'd still be worth about the same amount 11 months on and with another 10k on the clock, that's even with the C8 RS6 release on the horizon!
Personally speaking, once my R33 GTR project is wrapped up next summer and the S90 lease goes back, I'll hopefully be having to decide between another RS6, M5 or an E63S. Currently the M5 would be the last choice out of those 3..
If I had kept it, it'd still be worth about the same amount 11 months on and with another 10k on the clock, that's even with the C8 RS6 release on the horizon!
Personally speaking, once my R33 GTR project is wrapped up next summer and the S90 lease goes back, I'll hopefully be having to decide between another RS6, M5 or an E63S. Currently the M5 would be the last choice out of those 3..
EmilA said:
Add my 2 cents into the RS6 debate. I had one briefly last year, brought for just under 43k from AUC. Car was rejected due to some issues, they sold it on 3 months after my initial purchase for about 4k more!
If I had kept it, it'd still be worth about the same amount 11 months on and with another 10k on the clock, that's even with the C8 RS6 release on the horizon!
Personally speaking, once my R33 GTR project is wrapped up next summer and the S90 lease goes back, I'll hopefully be having to decide between another RS6, M5 or an E63S. Currently the M5 would be the last choice out of those 3..
Is that because it’s not available as an estate ,because I can’t believe it’s because of the drive?If I had kept it, it'd still be worth about the same amount 11 months on and with another 10k on the clock, that's even with the C8 RS6 release on the horizon!
Personally speaking, once my R33 GTR project is wrapped up next summer and the S90 lease goes back, I'll hopefully be having to decide between another RS6, M5 or an E63S. Currently the M5 would be the last choice out of those 3..
Is there equivalent discounts off the standard M5?
Barga said:
EmilA said:
Add my 2 cents into the RS6 debate. I had one briefly last year, brought for just under 43k from AUC. Car was rejected due to some issues, they sold it on 3 months after my initial purchase for about 4k more!
If I had kept it, it'd still be worth about the same amount 11 months on and with another 10k on the clock, that's even with the C8 RS6 release on the horizon!
Personally speaking, once my R33 GTR project is wrapped up next summer and the S90 lease goes back, I'll hopefully be having to decide between another RS6, M5 or an E63S. Currently the M5 would be the last choice out of those 3..
Is that because it’s not available as an estate ,because I can’t believe it’s because of the drive?If I had kept it, it'd still be worth about the same amount 11 months on and with another 10k on the clock, that's even with the C8 RS6 release on the horizon!
Personally speaking, once my R33 GTR project is wrapped up next summer and the S90 lease goes back, I'll hopefully be having to decide between another RS6, M5 or an E63S. Currently the M5 would be the last choice out of those 3..
Is there equivalent discounts off the standard M5?
TX.
HoHoHo said:
I have to stop enjoying mine, I filled up yesterday and took a client out to show him a 'very fast' car against his 'fast' car......
He was suitably impressed and just went..............
On a full tank I have a range of 225 miles
What was his 'fast' car? And please don't say an rs6 PE He was suitably impressed and just went..............
On a full tank I have a range of 225 miles
Zippee said:
HoHoHo said:
I have to stop enjoying mine, I filled up yesterday and took a client out to show him a 'very fast' car against his 'fast' car......
He was suitably impressed and just went..............
On a full tank I have a range of 225 miles
What was his 'fast' car? And please don't say an rs6 PE He was suitably impressed and just went..............
On a full tank I have a range of 225 miles
theboss said:
HoHoHo said:
I have to stop enjoying mine, I filled up yesterday and took a client out to show him a 'very fast' car against his 'fast' car......
He was suitably impressed and just went..............
On a full tank I have a range of 225 miles
At what sort of mpg?He was suitably impressed and just went..............
On a full tank I have a range of 225 miles
My consumption has reduced today alone by 2mpg over about 30 miles on the onboard computer from 19mpg, I guess that takes some time to reduce to your actual mpg.
The problem is the power is totally addictive and the pops and bangs don’t help either.......
Fulmentaljack3t said:
I tried this and it asks for the VIN. It then returns a message saying all software is up to date so no action required. This depsite the fact the maps are out of date. don't know if i did something wrong or went to the wrong BMW site?
Can anyone confirm if they have the BMW voice assistant feature on their car, the one that works kind of like Alexa, so you wake it by giving a command such as "hello BMW". Thanks
OK, this is the process I went down. I'm conscious it might well be what you've done so I'm not trying to teach you to suck eggs....but it worked for me. Can anyone confirm if they have the BMW voice assistant feature on their car, the one that works kind of like Alexa, so you wake it by giving a command such as "hello BMW". Thanks
Firstly I registered on the BMW Connected Drive Portal (I did this years ago, usual kind of sh!t where you give away the keys to the family gold etc etc). This is the website:
https://www.bmw-connecteddrive.co.uk/app/index.htm...
Once you have an account you then need to link your car to it. This is where you need the VIN, and I think from memory, it is only the VIN these days.
Back in the day, when BMW first launched ConnectedDrive, you needed to provide proof of ownership and wait for BMW to set it up...and a few days later it would be working. These days I think it's a pretty slick, integrated process so your car should show instantly on your account (might be different if it's previously registered to someone else, not an issue if you're the first owner).
Once logged in and all set up you should get this screen:
Top left, three options, you want 'Remote Cockpit'. Takes you to this screen:
Top left, you get three sub options, you want 'Control'. That takes you to another screen where you can set up remote services, email accounts, RSS feeds, Google 'send to car' account.....and, about two thirds of the way down on the lefthand side, 'Map update:
Click 'Map update' and in here you can set your auto map update settings (e.g. the region you want to auto update).
Bear in mind I had auto update on and it did not download the very latest map so, just below is where you can select Manual map update (via USB). Go into this, download the BMW Update Manager for your respective OS.
Log into the BMW Update Manager once you've installed it using the same credentials as Connected Drive. There you will be able to select your car and choose the map update. It'll start downloading the latest map file for your car (it covers most of Europe and some beyond, so it takes a while). Make sure you have a clean 64gb USB to transfer the files to - there's about 5 files / folders which total about 33-34gb (so a 32gb stick is only just insufficient) and you need them all for it to work.
The map is locked to the VIN so apparently only works on your own car. Insert the USB into any of the ports and the car will detect it and upload the files (again, this takes about 20 mins due to the size).
Hope that helps. If not, I'm out of ideas for you....I'd probably sell it and buy one that works
Edited by Palmball on Saturday 27th April 23:49
theboss said:
Which do you actually prefer though, taking all financials out of the picture?
Now there's a question that I'm not sure an honest answer will be appreciated in these pages I've covered this already earlier in the thread but I would say, since I wrote my initial thoughts a couple of months ago, I've warmed even more to the M5.
Anyone that knows of me will know I don't keep cars long and, approaching 6 months with the M5, I'd normally be ripe to be looking elsewhere or at least putting a dipper down on the new RS6 (which I can do now to get one before the end of the year). As it stands, I'm in no rush to do either so plan to continue with the M5. In fact, if I could get an M5 CP with ceramics without losing a s
t load of cash then I'd be doing that (there's none used and I'd need £35k discount to match the spec I've got now, get the brakes I want and be happy it's a fair price versus others for sale).As something to drive and get pleasure from rowing along, the M5 is more agile, feels lighter and less ponderous and is, without doubt, the 'better' car to drive. The M5 also has the better seats, the best tech by some margin, the better material quality, it is probably a smidge quicker (and I had the 605hp Performance Edition RS6) and it has a most exceptionally front end response for such a big car. The RS6 was far from the understeery device many claim; I could get the rear end to move around just fine thanks. But the Audi is, as it should be, so much more obviously 4WD. Where the BMW excels is using the 4WD for good traction benefit but still feeling very much RWD in nature. IMO it's the finest 4WD system I've experienced dynamically...of course, it may not be as effective in incremental weather!
But I reckon the RS6 gets an unfair hearing from the press (and many others). Despite being a much older platform it was still notably more refined, had a better driving position, looked better (subjective I know, but to my eyes the C7 RS6 does look bloody fantastic), it sounded more authentic, it was more solid feeling, it was a lot more efficient (4 cylinder shutdown...efficiency tech that actually seemed to work) and it was absolutely not disgraced dynamically.
The M5 is the better overall car if you don't need an estate, and it should be; it's significantly newer. The RS6 is the better GT car (I previously described it as like a Bentley Continental estate) and the better car if you need a big boot (obvs).
Which do I prefer? Probably the M5.
But I am very lucky to have another car that provides a good degree of the uncompromising 'fun' side, so the RS6's greater refinement was a good compliment. The M5 isn't quite as hushed or smooth as the RS6 (jeez, all my sports cars have ridden smoother than the Big Beemer) but it's fascinating how the M5 doesn't really feel disadvantaged dynamically compared to some of the best sports cars in the world, and aside from the RS6 which was quite exceptional, it is still a very refined car by any normal standards.
Edited by Palmball on Saturday 27th April 23:47
Palmball said:
OK, this is the process I went down. I'm conscious it might well be what you've done so I'm not trying to teach you to suck eggs....but it worked for me.
Hope that helps. If not, I'm out of ideas for you....I'd probably sell it and buy one that works
Thanks for the detailed walkthrough.Hope that helps. If not, I'm out of ideas for you....I'd probably sell it and buy one that works
That is how I remember doing it so good to know I was doing it correctly. When i went through the process it asked for my VIN when trying to manually download the map update. It retunred a message stating that the maps were already up to date (they weren't) so there was nothing to manually download.
Following your post I decided to try again to make sure I was doing it right and I found that "Map Update" has vanished from my "remote cockpit"
So I can't even try and update it manaully or set auto update. It's possible it has been moved from there to somewhere else that I haven't found yet? What has now appeared is the option to subscribe to map updates via the shop at the cost of £79 for 1 year! Previously this wasn't showing any cost attached as being a newly bought car. So i've no idea what is going on there!
BMW still have my car, orginally they insisted my car was completely up to date but have now identified it as needing 17 various updates! On the positive side is that at least they have found this and are resolving.
Edited by Fulmentaljack3t on Sunday 28th April 13:04
How long do BMW give these free updates for? With Porsche it was just a year, with a sub needed after that.
I seem to remember BMW being three years so it shouldn’t revert to a chargeable service just yet.
If it’s just one year though then it might have exceeded that depending when it was first registered?
I seem to remember BMW being three years so it shouldn’t revert to a chargeable service just yet.
If it’s just one year though then it might have exceeded that depending when it was first registered?
Terminator X said:
Barga said:
EmilA said:
Add my 2 cents into the RS6 debate. I had one briefly last year, brought for just under 43k from AUC. Car was rejected due to some issues, they sold it on 3 months after my initial purchase for about 4k more!
If I had kept it, it'd still be worth about the same amount 11 months on and with another 10k on the clock, that's even with the C8 RS6 release on the horizon!
Personally speaking, once my R33 GTR project is wrapped up next summer and the S90 lease goes back, I'll hopefully be having to decide between another RS6, M5 or an E63S. Currently the M5 would be the last choice out of those 3..
Is that because it’s not available as an estate ,because I can’t believe it’s because of the drive?If I had kept it, it'd still be worth about the same amount 11 months on and with another 10k on the clock, that's even with the C8 RS6 release on the horizon!
Personally speaking, once my R33 GTR project is wrapped up next summer and the S90 lease goes back, I'll hopefully be having to decide between another RS6, M5 or an E63S. Currently the M5 would be the last choice out of those 3..
Is there equivalent discounts off the standard M5?
TX.
Having a large boot/estate is not a deal break but it's high on the list as I've got a 2 year old aswell. The E63S just looks like a nicer car to me and from what I have seen from a residual perspective the AMG/RS car's tend to hold their value better.
Palmball said:
How long do BMW give these free updates for? With Porsche it was just a year, with a sub needed after that.
I seem to remember BMW being three years so it shouldn’t revert to a chargeable service just yet.
If it’s just one year though then it might have exceeded that depending when it was first registered?
I thought it was 3 years, could be wrong but 3 years would align it with most other services that fall under the collective "connected drive" banner. I seem to remember BMW being three years so it shouldn’t revert to a chargeable service just yet.
If it’s just one year though then it might have exceeded that depending when it was first registered?
Can't have expired as every other service on the car was only activated this month, so that wouldn't make sense I don't think.
Obviously i need to not other think it and see what is what when i get my car back. No idea when that will be yet, they did the running in service and updates the same day, test drove it and parked it up where it hasn't moved for a week. My guess is they are prioritising paying retail work over finding the fault in my car under warranty.
Picked up yesterday. Obviously still running in but quick enough for the drive back from South Wales 
The ride is good and more comfortable than I expected given many of the comments here.
Tracker (including an anti key cloning device), and dashcam fitted today.
Having it detailed and ceramic coated at the end of the month by the same person who did the RR just over a year ago, which is still looking good as a result (and is easy to clean).
The ride is good and more comfortable than I expected given many of the comments here.
Tracker (including an anti key cloning device), and dashcam fitted today.
Having it detailed and ceramic coated at the end of the month by the same person who did the RR just over a year ago, which is still looking good as a result (and is easy to clean).
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