F90 M5 Competition
Discussion
Wills2 said:
Max Maxasson said:
The planning for the bulk of vehicle manufacturing runs up to a year in advance...so importers have to estimate the number of vehicles they expect to sell well in advance and order them from the factory.
If there is an economic downturn, the sales of expensive performance cars tend to fall far quicker than bread and butter cars.
So BMW UK have ended up with quite a lot of unsold M cars.
One way (and arguably the best way) to shift them is a short high discount sales campaign.
All the unsold std M5s have gone and now they have to clear the unsold M5CPs.
With a bit of luck BMW AG/UK will have learnt a lesson and reduce the number of M cars being ordered without a sold order.
If the only way to get a new M5 is through a factory order then there would be no need to discount at all...just like the E46 M3s back in the day when you had to pay list and order from the factory.
I've never understood this just make less argument, do you think they don't make money at 70k? Of course they do, M cars are their highest margin products and the production line cannot sit idle, the funding is also baked into the annual budget they don't just rustle it up from no where, nobody at BMW thought people would be queuing out of the door to spend 100k on a 5 series.....this isn't a new thing and has been going on for years, my last 5 M cars have all been bought on these kind of deals including the one ordered last week.If there is an economic downturn, the sales of expensive performance cars tend to fall far quicker than bread and butter cars.
So BMW UK have ended up with quite a lot of unsold M cars.
One way (and arguably the best way) to shift them is a short high discount sales campaign.
All the unsold std M5s have gone and now they have to clear the unsold M5CPs.
With a bit of luck BMW AG/UK will have learnt a lesson and reduce the number of M cars being ordered without a sold order.
If the only way to get a new M5 is through a factory order then there would be no need to discount at all...just like the E46 M3s back in the day when you had to pay list and order from the factory.
Edited by Max Maxasson on Tuesday 19th November 11:20
The market knows this and prices the cars in the trade from the deal pricing so the bath starts at the discounted price, when everyone is getting a bargain no one is getting a bargain....
TX.
Terminator X said:
Don't think many have seen a new M5C drop below £80k but even at that level surely a "bargain" as it is a 650 ish HP saloon car!
TX.
Indeed, especially when set against the new RS6 though I've heard talk of 10% at launch and if true there will be more in a few months time. Objectively I think the M5 is a better all rounder than the RS6 but I like (as opposed to need) an estate, so will weigh it all up when the time comes to change, but I think I can probably get into a new BMW for around £10k less than the Audi.TX.
Wills2 said:
I've never understood this just make less argument, do you think they don't make money at 70k? Of course they do, M cars are their highest margin products and the production line cannot sit idle, the funding is also baked into the annual budget they don't just rustle it up from no where, nobody at BMW thought people would be queuing out of the door to spend 100k on a 5 series.....this isn't a new thing and has been going on for years, my last 5 M cars have all been bought on these kind of deals including the one ordered last week.
The market knows this and prices the cars in the trade from the deal pricing so the bath starts at the discounted price, when everyone is getting a bargain no one is getting a bargain....
Well usually low volume models don't make that much money for big manufacturers. The market knows this and prices the cars in the trade from the deal pricing so the bath starts at the discounted price, when everyone is getting a bargain no one is getting a bargain....
They have to recover the massive R&D costs split between just a (relatively) few cars.
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if BMW made zero profit on M5s (overall).
Of course the factory wants to build as many cars as it can...but these massive "stack them high, sell them cheap" discounts to shift excess metal is bad for the marque.
The market for the M5 is so small for the UK, that knocking a few hundred off the number cars ordered each year is not going to affect BMW AGs bottom line hardly at all.
Making the car factory order only, would allow dealers to charge full price which would shore up second hand prices and make the car more desirable in the longer term.
So I've just started getting a really annoying rear brake pads need changing warning after just 8.5k miles?! Anyone else had this so soon?
Interestingly BMW called me to say that the car had alerted them to it and want to book the car in!
TX.
Interestingly BMW called me to say that the car had alerted them to it and want to book the car in!
TX.
Edited by Terminator X on Wednesday 27th November 15:30
Terminator X said:
So I've just started getting a really annoying rear brake pads need changing warning after just 8.5k miles?! Anyone else had this so soon?
Interestingly BMW called me to say that the car had alerted them to it and want to book the car in!
TX.
My F10 went through rear pads very quickly, it was traction control being constantly in use. Interestingly BMW called me to say that the car had alerted them to it and want to book the car in!
TX.
Edited by Terminator X on Wednesday 27th November 15:30
Terminator X said:
So I've just started getting a really annoying rear brake pads need changing warning after just 8.5k miles?! Anyone else had this so soon?
Interestingly BMW called me to say that the car had alerted them to it and want to book the car in!
TX.
Just have a peep through your rear wheels at the pads, they are easily visible, and you will know if thy need changing, or if the car is having an electrical wobble.Interestingly BMW called me to say that the car had alerted them to it and want to book the car in!
TX.
Edited by Terminator X on Wednesday 27th November 15:30
HSimon said:
Just have a peep through your rear wheels at the pads, they are easily visible, and you will know if thy need changing, or if the car is having an electrical wobble.
Yes there isn't much pad left + BMW wanted to check too vs an electrical gremlin and agreed after putting the car up on a ramp. Car booked in, any ideas how much it should cost? I will ask BMW of course 
TX.
Terminator X said:
HSimon said:
Just have a peep through your rear wheels at the pads, they are easily visible, and you will know if thy need changing, or if the car is having an electrical wobble.
Yes there isn't much pad left + BMW wanted to check too vs an electrical gremlin and agreed after putting the car up on a ramp. Car booked in, any ideas how much it should cost? I will ask BMW of course TX.
garystoybox said:
Terminator X said:
So almost a month later and still BMW have no rear brake pads in the UK and it seems Germany have none either! Showing as "red" on their system.
TX.
Absolutely bananas, you think they could have nabbed a set off the production line or something?TX.
Max Maxasson said:
Wills2 said:
I've never understood this just make less argument, do you think they don't make money at 70k? Of course they do, M cars are their highest margin products and the production line cannot sit idle, the funding is also baked into the annual budget they don't just rustle it up from no where, nobody at BMW thought people would be queuing out of the door to spend 100k on a 5 series.....this isn't a new thing and has been going on for years, my last 5 M cars have all been bought on these kind of deals including the one ordered last week.
The market knows this and prices the cars in the trade from the deal pricing so the bath starts at the discounted price, when everyone is getting a bargain no one is getting a bargain....
Well usually low volume models don't make that much money for big manufacturers. The market knows this and prices the cars in the trade from the deal pricing so the bath starts at the discounted price, when everyone is getting a bargain no one is getting a bargain....
They have to recover the massive R&D costs split between just a (relatively) few cars.
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if BMW made zero profit on M5s (overall).
Of course the factory wants to build as many cars as it can...but these massive "stack them high, sell them cheap" discounts to shift excess metal is bad for the marque.
The market for the M5 is so small for the UK, that knocking a few hundred off the number cars ordered each year is not going to affect BMW AGs bottom line hardly at all.
Making the car factory order only, would allow dealers to charge full price which would shore up second hand prices and make the car more desirable in the longer term.
Please....BMW don't care about second hand car values being higher they have baked the residual they need into the finance agreement you signed, by all means go pay list for your next M car (if nothing else out of principle and to give us all a giggle) the rest of us will continue to pay the market rate...
Wow thread a long way down the list!
What does everyone think of the just revealed facelift then?
Btw do we have the dreaded GPF / OPF somewhere within the exhaust system and/or cats within the exhaust system? If so was thinking about trying to get straight pipes if that is a "thing" these days?
TX.
What does everyone think of the just revealed facelift then?
Btw do we have the dreaded GPF / OPF somewhere within the exhaust system and/or cats within the exhaust system? If so was thinking about trying to get straight pipes if that is a "thing" these days?
TX.
Terminator X said:
Wow thread a long way down the list!
What does everyone think of the just revealed facelift then?
Btw do we have the dreaded GPF / OPF somewhere within the exhaust system and/or cats within the exhaust system? If so was thinking about trying to get straight pipes if that is a "thing" these days?
TX.
From the small number of pictures that i have seen the facelift looks good, but then I already liked how it looks. I do like the new colour options and I've had a bit of fun on the configurator looking at them.What does everyone think of the just revealed facelift then?
Btw do we have the dreaded GPF / OPF somewhere within the exhaust system and/or cats within the exhaust system? If so was thinking about trying to get straight pipes if that is a "thing" these days?
TX.
I am not a fan of the new digital dash, I experienced it when i had an 8 series on loan for a few weeks and I just don't like the look of it. In general, i like the change to digital and being able to configure the dash to personal requirements/tastes but this particular one for me just looks sh*t and isn't very configurable.
I think the new adjustable dampers is a good thing and the ability to make it a bit softer, as for me that was the reason i went for the non-comp car. The added tech is good and what I feel is missing from the pre-facelift cars, pay a lot of money for a car that didn't have the latest tech/systems that others have.
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