E92 M3 vs F87 M2C
Discussion
The two things I changed on the E92/F80 are the seats and brakes. The buckets take about 1hr to swap for trackdays, same seats/brackets from the E92 fit the F80.
Good point about car tax, its £700+ on the E92 which rises with inflation each year. Anything high value after April 2017 will be a better bet unless its a special car.
Good point about car tax, its £700+ on the E92 which rises with inflation each year. Anything high value after April 2017 will be a better bet unless its a special car.
AndrewO said:
Good point about car tax, its £700+ on the E92 which rises with inflation each year.
The high car tax is something that I always grumble about too. Both the Z4M/E92 M3 were in the highest bracket, and my 370Z is as well. The 370Z is £735 for the year now for example, although I do SORN it for 6 months over the winter now to save a bit on that. Now the M4 is 6 years old this year, that is a comparative bargain to tax now in comparison.
cerb4.5lee said:
The high car tax is something that I always grumble about too. Both the Z4M/E92 M3 were in the highest bracket, and my 370Z is as well. The 370Z is £735 for the year now for example, although I do SORN it for 6 months over the winter now to save a bit on that.
Now the M4 is 6 years old this year, that is a comparative bargain to tax now in comparison.
Yes i never used to think twice about taxing mine for the year but now have to make decisions as to which i want to use and keep some sorn'd which is a pain....Now the M4 is 6 years old this year, that is a comparative bargain to tax now in comparison.
I've not long had my E92 M3 manual.
And it was a toss up between the choices you are considering. The things that swung it for me were the following -
The name - I'm a sucker for heritage and it doesn't get better than having an M3 badge on the boot with a coupe body. M3 is now a saloon.
The engine - The S65 is a masterpiece. It's the last of the M3s with a naturally aspirated engine. Add to that, the fact the V8 never went in any other BMW model.
The noise - I have gutted primary cats and a 1.75 mod back box with stage 2 tune. The noise is sublime.
The gearbox - I know the DCT is amazing but, my car is a manual as i had to have one. I wanted it to be a true driver's car with 3 pedals and a stick. It's a weekend car that is for fine weather use only.
The looks - The E92 M3 is, in my eyes, a beauty. A real mix of brute and good aesthetics.
The road tax annoys me and i wish the government would tax cars on usage. But, hey ho, it was it is.
I can only see the E92 M3 going one way in value for all of the reasons above. Its the last of the line.
But, and its a big but, I still always let out an ooooft, when a nice M2 or F80 M3 passes.
Maybe 1 day i could have both!!!!!
And it was a toss up between the choices you are considering. The things that swung it for me were the following -
The name - I'm a sucker for heritage and it doesn't get better than having an M3 badge on the boot with a coupe body. M3 is now a saloon.
The engine - The S65 is a masterpiece. It's the last of the M3s with a naturally aspirated engine. Add to that, the fact the V8 never went in any other BMW model.
The noise - I have gutted primary cats and a 1.75 mod back box with stage 2 tune. The noise is sublime.
The gearbox - I know the DCT is amazing but, my car is a manual as i had to have one. I wanted it to be a true driver's car with 3 pedals and a stick. It's a weekend car that is for fine weather use only.
The looks - The E92 M3 is, in my eyes, a beauty. A real mix of brute and good aesthetics.
The road tax annoys me and i wish the government would tax cars on usage. But, hey ho, it was it is.
I can only see the E92 M3 going one way in value for all of the reasons above. Its the last of the line.
But, and its a big but, I still always let out an ooooft, when a nice M2 or F80 M3 passes.
Maybe 1 day i could have both!!!!!
4340BB said:
I've not long had my E92 M3 manual.
And it was a toss up between the choices you are considering. The things that swung it for me were the following -
The name - I'm a sucker for heritage and it doesn't get better than having an M3 badge on the boot with a coupe body. M3 is now a saloon.
The engine - The S65 is a masterpiece. It's the last of the M3s with a naturally aspirated engine. Add to that, the fact the V8 never went in any other BMW model.
The noise - I have gutted primary cats and a 1.75 mod back box with stage 2 tune. The noise is sublime.
The gearbox - I know the DCT is amazing but, my car is a manual as i had to have one. I wanted it to be a true driver's car with 3 pedals and a stick. It's a weekend car that is for fine weather use only.
The looks - The E92 M3 is, in my eyes, a beauty. A real mix of brute and good aesthetics.
The road tax annoys me and i wish the government would tax cars on usage. But, hey ho, it was it is.
I can only see the E92 M3 going one way in value for all of the reasons above. Its the last of the line.
But, and its a big but, I still always let out an ooooft, when a nice M2 or F80 M3 passes.
Maybe 1 day i could have both!!!!!
When I had my manual E92 M3 back in 2013, I always hoped that it would become sought after one day because of the reasons you mention as well. And it was a toss up between the choices you are considering. The things that swung it for me were the following -
The name - I'm a sucker for heritage and it doesn't get better than having an M3 badge on the boot with a coupe body. M3 is now a saloon.
The engine - The S65 is a masterpiece. It's the last of the M3s with a naturally aspirated engine. Add to that, the fact the V8 never went in any other BMW model.
The noise - I have gutted primary cats and a 1.75 mod back box with stage 2 tune. The noise is sublime.
The gearbox - I know the DCT is amazing but, my car is a manual as i had to have one. I wanted it to be a true driver's car with 3 pedals and a stick. It's a weekend car that is for fine weather use only.
The looks - The E92 M3 is, in my eyes, a beauty. A real mix of brute and good aesthetics.
The road tax annoys me and i wish the government would tax cars on usage. But, hey ho, it was it is.
I can only see the E92 M3 going one way in value for all of the reasons above. Its the last of the line.
But, and its a big but, I still always let out an ooooft, when a nice M2 or F80 M3 passes.
Maybe 1 day i could have both!!!!!
Mine was a terrible daily driver for me, and I much prefer the F82 M4 DCT that I have now in that regard. However I am pleased that I did get to tick the manual V8 M3 box though for sure.
4340BB said:
I've not long had my E92 M3 manual.
And it was a toss up between the choices you are considering. The things that swung it for me were the following -
The name - I'm a sucker for heritage and it doesn't get better than having an M3 badge on the boot with a coupe body. M3 is now a saloon.
The engine - The S65 is a masterpiece. It's the last of the M3s with a naturally aspirated engine. Add to that, the fact the V8 never went in any other BMW model.
The noise - I have gutted primary cats and a 1.75 mod back box with stage 2 tune. The noise is sublime.
The gearbox - I know the DCT is amazing but, my car is a manual as i had to have one. I wanted it to be a true driver's car with 3 pedals and a stick. It's a weekend car that is for fine weather use only.
The looks - The E92 M3 is, in my eyes, a beauty. A real mix of brute and good aesthetics.
The road tax annoys me and i wish the government would tax cars on usage. But, hey ho, it was it is.
I can only see the E92 M3 going one way in value for all of the reasons above. Its the last of the line.
But, and its a big but, I still always let out an ooooft, when a nice M2 or F80 M3 passes.
Maybe 1 day i could have both!!!!!
Good to hear your experience, and glad to hear that you are getting on well, it's not an easy decision to make is it!And it was a toss up between the choices you are considering. The things that swung it for me were the following -
The name - I'm a sucker for heritage and it doesn't get better than having an M3 badge on the boot with a coupe body. M3 is now a saloon.
The engine - The S65 is a masterpiece. It's the last of the M3s with a naturally aspirated engine. Add to that, the fact the V8 never went in any other BMW model.
The noise - I have gutted primary cats and a 1.75 mod back box with stage 2 tune. The noise is sublime.
The gearbox - I know the DCT is amazing but, my car is a manual as i had to have one. I wanted it to be a true driver's car with 3 pedals and a stick. It's a weekend car that is for fine weather use only.
The looks - The E92 M3 is, in my eyes, a beauty. A real mix of brute and good aesthetics.
The road tax annoys me and i wish the government would tax cars on usage. But, hey ho, it was it is.
I can only see the E92 M3 going one way in value for all of the reasons above. Its the last of the line.
But, and its a big but, I still always let out an ooooft, when a nice M2 or F80 M3 passes.
Maybe 1 day i could have both!!!!!
As much as I'd love the E92, I keep hearing some horror stories from some ownerships and it's really putting me off. Found a young lad on youtube called Hampshire Photography, who has had one and as much as he seems to love the car, his ownership experience is putting me off and pushing me towards M2!!!
Just look through his uploaded videos and you'll see titles like "another big bill for my M3" or "my M3 broke down again"
In one vid where he broke down ownership costs in a calendar year, he spent nearly £17k on the thing in a year!!!!!! (I expect a few £££ bills on cars like this, but that's crazy to me!)
Don't get me wrong, there are some of the typical "wrapping my car xx colour" and "new exhaust for my car" type videos, but there are some eye opening videos on there about repair costs that are helpful to someone like myself, where if something did go wrong I would take the car to a garage and not do the repair myself (I'm useless at manual labour!)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiv9F9uJv-v...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSrY8mEaV-0&li...
Quietly sitting here and hoping cases like that are the "loud minority" for lack of a better phrase, and that most private owners have better experience than this!
Edited by F12DDE on Monday 15th April 17:35
F12DDE said:
Good to hear your experience, and glad to hear that you are getting on well, it's not an easy decision to make is it!
As much as I'd love the E92, I keep hearing some horror stories from some ownerships and it's really putting me off. Found a young lad on youtube called Hampshire Photography, who has had one and as much as he seems to love the car, his ownership experience is putting me off and pushing me towards M2!!!
Just look through his uploaded videos and you'll see titles like "another big bill for my M3" or "my M3 broke down again"
In one vid where he broke down ownership costs in a calendar year, he spent nearly £17k on the thing in a year!!!!!! (I expect a few £££ bills on cars like this, but that's crazy to me!)
Don't get me wrong, there are some of the typical "wrapping my car xx colour" and "new exhaust for my car" type videos, but there are some eye opening videos on there about repair costs that are helpful to someone like myself, where if something did go wrong I would take the car to a garage and not do the repair myself (I'm useless at manual labour!)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiv9F9uJv-v...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSrY8mEaV-0&li...
Quietly sitting here and hoping cases like that are the "loud minority" for lack of a better phrase, and that most private owners have better experience than this!
I get what you are saying, but that could happen with any car. All cars have issues. Like i said, i quite fancied an F80 M3 but one of the worries was the crank hub fix and a few other niggles they suffer with. Then, my E92 popped up with low miles and lots of maintenance work carried out by previous owners. (RBs and TAs done to name a couple)As much as I'd love the E92, I keep hearing some horror stories from some ownerships and it's really putting me off. Found a young lad on youtube called Hampshire Photography, who has had one and as much as he seems to love the car, his ownership experience is putting me off and pushing me towards M2!!!
Just look through his uploaded videos and you'll see titles like "another big bill for my M3" or "my M3 broke down again"
In one vid where he broke down ownership costs in a calendar year, he spent nearly £17k on the thing in a year!!!!!! (I expect a few £££ bills on cars like this, but that's crazy to me!)
Don't get me wrong, there are some of the typical "wrapping my car xx colour" and "new exhaust for my car" type videos, but there are some eye opening videos on there about repair costs that are helpful to someone like myself, where if something did go wrong I would take the car to a garage and not do the repair myself (I'm useless at manual labour!)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiv9F9uJv-v...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSrY8mEaV-0&li...
Quietly sitting here and hoping cases like that are the "loud minority" for lack of a better phrase, and that most private owners have better experience than this!
Edited by F12DDE on Monday 15th April 17:35
One of the rear calipers was sticking so i sent the car to my local BMW specialist and asked him to replace them both and give the car a full check over.
It came back with a full bill of health and was told it was a nice well looked after car.
Thats not to say it won't s
t itself next week with an issue. But, any car might do that. I think the Hampshire Photography guy has just been very unlucky.
I've had 3x E46 M3s
1x Z4 M Coupe
1 x E36 M3
Numerous other BMWs and they have all been pretty good cars with not many issues.
Maybe i've been lucky. But i've had other makes of cars and not been lucky.
The joy of second hand cars i suppose.
My last E92 had two engines, one at 3yrs old replaced under warranty and then went 8k miles later. It was tracked and looked after but I suspect being a press car the damage was done early on, then something missed on the rebuild.
For balance
....mate of mine bought a F80 M4 and the engine went on the first trackday. From memory it was an early one, crankhub fix and had done 80k miles.
For balance
....mate of mine bought a F80 M4 and the engine went on the first trackday. From memory it was an early one, crankhub fix and had done 80k miles. Edited by AndrewO on Tuesday 16th April 11:03
F12DDE said:
4340BB said:
I've not long had my E92 M3 manual.
And it was a toss up between the choices you are considering. The things that swung it for me were the following -
The name - I'm a sucker for heritage and it doesn't get better than having an M3 badge on the boot with a coupe body. M3 is now a saloon.
The engine - The S65 is a masterpiece. It's the last of the M3s with a naturally aspirated engine. Add to that, the fact the V8 never went in any other BMW model.
The noise - I have gutted primary cats and a 1.75 mod back box with stage 2 tune. The noise is sublime.
The gearbox - I know the DCT is amazing but, my car is a manual as i had to have one. I wanted it to be a true driver's car with 3 pedals and a stick. It's a weekend car that is for fine weather use only.
The looks - The E92 M3 is, in my eyes, a beauty. A real mix of brute and good aesthetics.
The road tax annoys me and i wish the government would tax cars on usage. But, hey ho, it was it is.
I can only see the E92 M3 going one way in value for all of the reasons above. Its the last of the line.
But, and its a big but, I still always let out an ooooft, when a nice M2 or F80 M3 passes.
Maybe 1 day i could have both!!!!!
Good to hear your experience, and glad to hear that you are getting on well, it's not an easy decision to make is it!And it was a toss up between the choices you are considering. The things that swung it for me were the following -
The name - I'm a sucker for heritage and it doesn't get better than having an M3 badge on the boot with a coupe body. M3 is now a saloon.
The engine - The S65 is a masterpiece. It's the last of the M3s with a naturally aspirated engine. Add to that, the fact the V8 never went in any other BMW model.
The noise - I have gutted primary cats and a 1.75 mod back box with stage 2 tune. The noise is sublime.
The gearbox - I know the DCT is amazing but, my car is a manual as i had to have one. I wanted it to be a true driver's car with 3 pedals and a stick. It's a weekend car that is for fine weather use only.
The looks - The E92 M3 is, in my eyes, a beauty. A real mix of brute and good aesthetics.
The road tax annoys me and i wish the government would tax cars on usage. But, hey ho, it was it is.
I can only see the E92 M3 going one way in value for all of the reasons above. Its the last of the line.
But, and its a big but, I still always let out an ooooft, when a nice M2 or F80 M3 passes.
Maybe 1 day i could have both!!!!!
As much as I'd love the E92, I keep hearing some horror stories from some ownerships and it's really putting me off. Found a young lad on youtube called Hampshire Photography, who has had one and as much as he seems to love the car, his ownership experience is putting me off and pushing me towards M2!!!
Just look through his uploaded videos and you'll see titles like "another big bill for my M3" or "my M3 broke down again"
In one vid where he broke down ownership costs in a calendar year, he spent nearly £17k on the thing in a year!!!!!! (I expect a few £££ bills on cars like this, but that's crazy to me!)
Don't get me wrong, there are some of the typical "wrapping my car xx colour" and "new exhaust for my car" type videos, but there are some eye opening videos on there about repair costs that are helpful to someone like myself, where if something did go wrong I would take the car to a garage and not do the repair myself (I'm useless at manual labour!)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiv9F9uJv-v...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSrY8mEaV-0&li...
Quietly sitting here and hoping cases like that are the "loud minority" for lack of a better phrase, and that most private owners have better experience than this!
Edited by F12DDE on Monday 15th April 17:35
Over six years and 50k miles in my E92 and it’s been fantastically reliable I’d say. Throttle actuators failed, other than that I can only think of a few sensors, a sticking calliper and the disintegrating undertray that I just replaced with one from Pinnacle.
According to the car I was even averaging a heady 26.2 mpg when I was only using it to commute last year.
According to the car I was even averaging a heady 26.2 mpg when I was only using it to commute last year.
So I've been through this process, my last road car was a 981 Cayman GTS, had other Porsches and many other cars before. The last M car I had was a E46 M3, and last year with my Cayman GTS gone and now 2 kids under 2 I really didn't have time for a "special car", I wanted something fun that i can use every day and if i need to take the kids I can. So i wanted an E46 again, as the same as you I was an NA addict not having many turbos in the past. However I didn't want to garage my car, I wanted to use it all year round, and I felt like the E46 M3 was expensive, and just old now so I drove a few cars, M4, M3, and an M2 (both equivalents)
In the end I went for a manual M2 Competition. Even with suspension, chassis, power, brakes, (drivers bucket seat), cae ultra shifter I struggled to bond with it. As I used it more and more I started to appreciate all it can do. Managed to get some good sound too with an equal length mid pipe.
Took it to Donington Park last month and geez it was so much fun to explore the limits, I was on PS4S but a more aggressive geo. My last track car was a Radical but the M2 did no disappoint at all.
A year in and its a nice balance between road and track I think, I don't really do a lot miles generally, but its fun, quick, can do long distance, capable, looks great. I usually change my cars quickly but this one is a keeper another year.
A video to show how the M2C punches well above its weight, yes shes heavy on the scales but it really doesn't fell like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-BTDScNu_E&pp...
In the end I went for a manual M2 Competition. Even with suspension, chassis, power, brakes, (drivers bucket seat), cae ultra shifter I struggled to bond with it. As I used it more and more I started to appreciate all it can do. Managed to get some good sound too with an equal length mid pipe.
Took it to Donington Park last month and geez it was so much fun to explore the limits, I was on PS4S but a more aggressive geo. My last track car was a Radical but the M2 did no disappoint at all.
A year in and its a nice balance between road and track I think, I don't really do a lot miles generally, but its fun, quick, can do long distance, capable, looks great. I usually change my cars quickly but this one is a keeper another year.
A video to show how the M2C punches well above its weight, yes shes heavy on the scales but it really doesn't fell like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-BTDScNu_E&pp...
JayK12 said:
So I've been through this process, my last road car was a 981 Cayman GTS, had other Porsches and many other cars before. The last M car I had was a E46 M3, and last year with my Cayman GTS gone and now 2 kids under 2 I really didn't have time for a "special car", I wanted something fun that i can use every day and if i need to take the kids I can. So i wanted an E46 again, as the same as you I was an NA addict not having many turbos in the past. However I didn't want to garage my car, I wanted to use it all year round, and I felt like the E46 M3 was expensive, and just old now so I drove a few cars, M4, M3, and an M2 (both equivalents)
In the end I went for a manual M2 Competition. Even with suspension, chassis, power, brakes, (drivers bucket seat), cae ultra shifter I struggled to bond with it. As I used it more and more I started to appreciate all it can do. Managed to get some good sound too with an equal length mid pipe.
Took it to Donington Park last month and geez it was so much fun to explore the limits, I was on PS4S but a more aggressive geo. My last track car was a Radical but the M2 did no disappoint at all.
A year in and its a nice balance between road and track I think, I don't really do a lot miles generally, but its fun, quick, can do long distance, capable, looks great. I usually change my cars quickly but this one is a keeper another year.
A video to show how the M2C punches well above its weight, yes shes heavy on the scales but it really doesn't fell like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-BTDScNu_E&pp...
Thank you for your comments JayK12 In the end I went for a manual M2 Competition. Even with suspension, chassis, power, brakes, (drivers bucket seat), cae ultra shifter I struggled to bond with it. As I used it more and more I started to appreciate all it can do. Managed to get some good sound too with an equal length mid pipe.
Took it to Donington Park last month and geez it was so much fun to explore the limits, I was on PS4S but a more aggressive geo. My last track car was a Radical but the M2 did no disappoint at all.
A year in and its a nice balance between road and track I think, I don't really do a lot miles generally, but its fun, quick, can do long distance, capable, looks great. I usually change my cars quickly but this one is a keeper another year.
A video to show how the M2C punches well above its weight, yes shes heavy on the scales but it really doesn't fell like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-BTDScNu_E&pp...
Looks like TDTs old car from the Porsche forums in that vid? He's no slouch so nice driving! Maybe worth getting an extra set of wheels for track with Cup2s/Direzzas or similar and you'd be set
Tagteam said:
F12DDE said:
4340BB said:
I've not long had my E92 M3 manual.
And it was a toss up between the choices you are considering. The things that swung it for me were the following -
The name - I'm a sucker for heritage and it doesn't get better than having an M3 badge on the boot with a coupe body. M3 is now a saloon.
The engine - The S65 is a masterpiece. It's the last of the M3s with a naturally aspirated engine. Add to that, the fact the V8 never went in any other BMW model.
The noise - I have gutted primary cats and a 1.75 mod back box with stage 2 tune. The noise is sublime.
The gearbox - I know the DCT is amazing but, my car is a manual as i had to have one. I wanted it to be a true driver's car with 3 pedals and a stick. It's a weekend car that is for fine weather use only.
The looks - The E92 M3 is, in my eyes, a beauty. A real mix of brute and good aesthetics.
The road tax annoys me and i wish the government would tax cars on usage. But, hey ho, it was it is.
I can only see the E92 M3 going one way in value for all of the reasons above. Its the last of the line.
But, and its a big but, I still always let out an ooooft, when a nice M2 or F80 M3 passes.
Maybe 1 day i could have both!!!!!
Good to hear your experience, and glad to hear that you are getting on well, it's not an easy decision to make is it!And it was a toss up between the choices you are considering. The things that swung it for me were the following -
The name - I'm a sucker for heritage and it doesn't get better than having an M3 badge on the boot with a coupe body. M3 is now a saloon.
The engine - The S65 is a masterpiece. It's the last of the M3s with a naturally aspirated engine. Add to that, the fact the V8 never went in any other BMW model.
The noise - I have gutted primary cats and a 1.75 mod back box with stage 2 tune. The noise is sublime.
The gearbox - I know the DCT is amazing but, my car is a manual as i had to have one. I wanted it to be a true driver's car with 3 pedals and a stick. It's a weekend car that is for fine weather use only.
The looks - The E92 M3 is, in my eyes, a beauty. A real mix of brute and good aesthetics.
The road tax annoys me and i wish the government would tax cars on usage. But, hey ho, it was it is.
I can only see the E92 M3 going one way in value for all of the reasons above. Its the last of the line.
But, and its a big but, I still always let out an ooooft, when a nice M2 or F80 M3 passes.
Maybe 1 day i could have both!!!!!
As much as I'd love the E92, I keep hearing some horror stories from some ownerships and it's really putting me off. Found a young lad on youtube called Hampshire Photography, who has had one and as much as he seems to love the car, his ownership experience is putting me off and pushing me towards M2!!!
Just look through his uploaded videos and you'll see titles like "another big bill for my M3" or "my M3 broke down again"
In one vid where he broke down ownership costs in a calendar year, he spent nearly £17k on the thing in a year!!!!!! (I expect a few £££ bills on cars like this, but that's crazy to me!)
Don't get me wrong, there are some of the typical "wrapping my car xx colour" and "new exhaust for my car" type videos, but there are some eye opening videos on there about repair costs that are helpful to someone like myself, where if something did go wrong I would take the car to a garage and not do the repair myself (I'm useless at manual labour!)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiv9F9uJv-v...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSrY8mEaV-0&li...
Quietly sitting here and hoping cases like that are the "loud minority" for lack of a better phrase, and that most private owners have better experience than this!
Edited by F12DDE on Monday 15th April 17:35
AndrewO said:
My last E92 had two engines, one at 3yrs old replaced under warranty and then went 8k miles later. It was tracked and looked after but I suspect being a press car the damage was done early on, then something missed on the rebuild.
For balance....mate of mine bought a F80 M4 and the engine went on the first trackday. From memory it was an early one, crankhub fix and had done 80k miles.
So what you're saying is... For balance
....mate of mine bought a F80 M4 and the engine went on the first trackday. From memory it was an early one, crankhub fix and had done 80k miles. Edited by AndrewO on Tuesday 16th April 11:03
If I buy an M car, budget for a new engine
F12DDE said:
JayK12 said:
So I've been through this process, my last road car was a 981 Cayman GTS, had other Porsches and many other cars before. The last M car I had was a E46 M3, and last year with my Cayman GTS gone and now 2 kids under 2 I really didn't have time for a "special car", I wanted something fun that i can use every day and if i need to take the kids I can. So i wanted an E46 again, as the same as you I was an NA addict not having many turbos in the past. However I didn't want to garage my car, I wanted to use it all year round, and I felt like the E46 M3 was expensive, and just old now so I drove a few cars, M4, M3, and an M2 (both equivalents)
In the end I went for a manual M2 Competition. Even with suspension, chassis, power, brakes, (drivers bucket seat), cae ultra shifter I struggled to bond with it. As I used it more and more I started to appreciate all it can do. Managed to get some good sound too with an equal length mid pipe.
Took it to Donington Park last month and geez it was so much fun to explore the limits, I was on PS4S but a more aggressive geo. My last track car was a Radical but the M2 did no disappoint at all.
A year in and its a nice balance between road and track I think, I don't really do a lot miles generally, but its fun, quick, can do long distance, capable, looks great. I usually change my cars quickly but this one is a keeper another year.
A video to show how the M2C punches well above its weight, yes shes heavy on the scales but it really doesn't fell like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-BTDScNu_E&pp...
Thank you for your comments JayK12 In the end I went for a manual M2 Competition. Even with suspension, chassis, power, brakes, (drivers bucket seat), cae ultra shifter I struggled to bond with it. As I used it more and more I started to appreciate all it can do. Managed to get some good sound too with an equal length mid pipe.
Took it to Donington Park last month and geez it was so much fun to explore the limits, I was on PS4S but a more aggressive geo. My last track car was a Radical but the M2 did no disappoint at all.
A year in and its a nice balance between road and track I think, I don't really do a lot miles generally, but its fun, quick, can do long distance, capable, looks great. I usually change my cars quickly but this one is a keeper another year.
A video to show how the M2C punches well above its weight, yes shes heavy on the scales but it really doesn't fell like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-BTDScNu_E&pp...
Looks like TDTs old car from the Porsche forums in that vid? He's no slouch so nice driving! Maybe worth getting an extra set of wheels for track with Cup2s/Direzzas or similar and you'd be set
It's still not a Porsche but if you want back seats and a boot then right now I cant think of anything else, plus its half the cost nearly of a GT4.
F12DDE said:
AndrewO said:
My last E92 had two engines, one at 3yrs old replaced under warranty and then went 8k miles later. It was tracked and looked after but I suspect being a press car the damage was done early on, then something missed on the rebuild.
For balance....mate of mine bought a F80 M4 and the engine went on the first trackday. From memory it was an early one, crankhub fix and had done 80k miles.
So what you're saying is... For balance
....mate of mine bought a F80 M4 and the engine went on the first trackday. From memory it was an early one, crankhub fix and had done 80k miles. Edited by AndrewO on Tuesday 16th April 11:03
If I buy an M car, budget for a new engine
JayK12 said:
F12DDE said:
AndrewO said:
My last E92 had two engines, one at 3yrs old replaced under warranty and then went 8k miles later. It was tracked and looked after but I suspect being a press car the damage was done early on, then something missed on the rebuild.
For balance....mate of mine bought a F80 M4 and the engine went on the first trackday. From memory it was an early one, crankhub fix and had done 80k miles.
So what you're saying is... For balance
....mate of mine bought a F80 M4 and the engine went on the first trackday. From memory it was an early one, crankhub fix and had done 80k miles. Edited by AndrewO on Tuesday 16th April 11:03
If I buy an M car, budget for a new engine
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