Are M Cars faster than TVRs in a straight line???
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i had a 4.2 cerb, am i know a friend that has an e36 m3, the cerb made the m3 look and feel very slow! Not sure on how they'd compare to the e46, but power to weight wise the cerb I'd have thought be quicker! The 4.2 and 4.5's in std form, arent really that different either.
My money would be on the cerb, 4.2 or 4.5 (if they are running properly!)
My money would be on the cerb, 4.2 or 4.5 (if they are running properly!)
Zod said:
m12_nathan said:
Zod said:
m12_nathan said:
Dave Dax builder said:
I very much doubt that a std M3/5/6 would out run a TVR Cerb over the 1/4 mile. Those Cerbs are engine killers aren't they?
Yep.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=13&...
Edited by Zod on Thursday 2nd August 09:43
It' s fairly close and with two average drivers there wouldn't be a great deal in it.
Jules.
(M5 prices are dropping now and must admit I was tempted to look at one at my local dealers last week - £42k
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I never found my 4.5 Cerbera to feel even remotely akin to the continent splitter featured in that famous Clarkson shootout.
In theory, of course 420bhp with under 1150kg to haul should deliver the honours and evidently, some do.
Whether it was an Escort Cossie on the A55 in 1999 BB (Before Brunstrom) or a portly E39 M5 'somewhere else but where it was quite legal to do so,' the car often felt in comparative extremis, frankly, lacking.
Off the line, I doubt the older M cars would have much to say but these old bloaters come into their own, deep into 3 figures, when a solidity and poise arise to form a compulsive horizon annexing disorder. Even with 91k on my old girl (E39 M5), the tub still thunders with epic effect in the outer reaches.
The V10 is a different beast altogether: the M5/M6 is a quick to 150 as an X50 996 Turbo and that is quicker than any TVR I've seen at over 10 VMax events.
I'm not even sure that the M6 would be much slower beyond that but hopefully my Lord of Wessex & Mercia will oblige this Sunday?
The M6 would maul a standard 993 Turbo and the most perinent thing I can derive from that for this thread is the sense of how much quicker that car was at the time, when I replaced my Cerby with one.
Oddly enough, I've always found Sp6 units more rapid. Wierd.
In theory, of course 420bhp with under 1150kg to haul should deliver the honours and evidently, some do.
Whether it was an Escort Cossie on the A55 in 1999 BB (Before Brunstrom) or a portly E39 M5 'somewhere else but where it was quite legal to do so,' the car often felt in comparative extremis, frankly, lacking.
Off the line, I doubt the older M cars would have much to say but these old bloaters come into their own, deep into 3 figures, when a solidity and poise arise to form a compulsive horizon annexing disorder. Even with 91k on my old girl (E39 M5), the tub still thunders with epic effect in the outer reaches.
The V10 is a different beast altogether: the M5/M6 is a quick to 150 as an X50 996 Turbo and that is quicker than any TVR I've seen at over 10 VMax events.
I'm not even sure that the M6 would be much slower beyond that but hopefully my Lord of Wessex & Mercia will oblige this Sunday?
The M6 would maul a standard 993 Turbo and the most perinent thing I can derive from that for this thread is the sense of how much quicker that car was at the time, when I replaced my Cerby with one.
Oddly enough, I've always found Sp6 units more rapid. Wierd.
I've got an E60 M5 and I've had a TVR T350 and an M3.
The TVR was faster than the M3 but you'd have to be a very very good driver to out accelerate an M5 in any standard TVR - particularly if it was even slightly damp.
If you got a really good start the TVR might have the edge up to 100mph or so, but after that the V10 is almost uncatchable.
To be fair though, start them up next to each other and see which attracts more attention - a TVR Sagaris looks and sounds faster parked than an M5 does flat out on an autobahn!
The TVR was faster than the M3 but you'd have to be a very very good driver to out accelerate an M5 in any standard TVR - particularly if it was even slightly damp.
If you got a really good start the TVR might have the edge up to 100mph or so, but after that the V10 is almost uncatchable.
To be fair though, start them up next to each other and see which attracts more attention - a TVR Sagaris looks and sounds faster parked than an M5 does flat out on an autobahn!
derestrictor said:
I never found my 4.5 Cerbera to feel even remotely akin to the continent splitter featured in that famous Clarkson shootout.
In theory, of course 420bhp with under 1150kg to haul should deliver the honours and evidently, some do.
Whether it was an Escort Cossie on the A55 in 1999 BB (Before Brunstrom) or a portly E39 M5 'somewhere else but where it was quite legal to do so,' the car often felt in comparative extremis, frankly, lacking.
Off the line, I doubt the older M cars would have much to say but these old bloaters come into their own, deep into 3 figures, when a solidity and poise arise to form a compulsive horizon annexing disorder. Even with 91k on my old girl (E39 M5), the tub still thunders with epic effect in the outer reaches.
The V10 is a different beast altogether: the M5/M6 is a quick to 150 as an X50 996 Turbo and that is quicker than any TVR I've seen at over 10 VMax events.
I'm not even sure that the M6 would be much slower beyond that but hopefully my Lord of Wessex & Mercia will oblige this Sunday?
The M6 would maul a standard 993 Turbo and the most perinent thing I can derive from that for this thread is the sense of how much quicker that car was at the time, when I replaced my Cerby with one.
Oddly enough, I've always found Sp6 units more rapid. Wierd.
Der,In theory, of course 420bhp with under 1150kg to haul should deliver the honours and evidently, some do.
Whether it was an Escort Cossie on the A55 in 1999 BB (Before Brunstrom) or a portly E39 M5 'somewhere else but where it was quite legal to do so,' the car often felt in comparative extremis, frankly, lacking.
Off the line, I doubt the older M cars would have much to say but these old bloaters come into their own, deep into 3 figures, when a solidity and poise arise to form a compulsive horizon annexing disorder. Even with 91k on my old girl (E39 M5), the tub still thunders with epic effect in the outer reaches.
The V10 is a different beast altogether: the M5/M6 is a quick to 150 as an X50 996 Turbo and that is quicker than any TVR I've seen at over 10 VMax events.
I'm not even sure that the M6 would be much slower beyond that but hopefully my Lord of Wessex & Mercia will oblige this Sunday?
The M6 would maul a standard 993 Turbo and the most perinent thing I can derive from that for this thread is the sense of how much quicker that car was at the time, when I replaced my Cerby with one.
Oddly enough, I've always found Sp6 units more rapid. Wierd.
Got to pick you up there I'm afraid. Not like you to get this sort of stuff wrong but 1999 BB would be, by my reckoning, 44 BC (BB born in 1955 you see). Unless you're using an old escort as a time machine which would be worth hearing about then I can't help thinking you're fibbing.
Firstly I love BMW's hence my name used to be 'Rochester BMW', my every day car is a 335i Saloon and 'may' soon be an E60 M5 Touring...
Having driven a variety of fast BMW's and in my experience I would be very surprised if any BMW could keep up with my TVR Sagaris in a straight line...
BMW's are truely great machines, but when it comes down to straight line speed IMO they really dont stand a chance at under 150mph over that I believe an M5 would start to catch up. (if the limiter was taken off)
I could 'possibly' have the M5 before this event, if so, I may be tempted to bring both along to see how they compare using accurate timing gear.
Having driven a variety of fast BMW's and in my experience I would be very surprised if any BMW could keep up with my TVR Sagaris in a straight line...
BMW's are truely great machines, but when it comes down to straight line speed IMO they really dont stand a chance at under 150mph over that I believe an M5 would start to catch up. (if the limiter was taken off)
I could 'possibly' have the M5 before this event, if so, I may be tempted to bring both along to see how they compare using accurate timing gear.
just read derestrictor's reply... very interesting that 2 TVR owners have entirely different opinions on the subject. Just goes to show that no 2 Tivs are the same.
I drove a Cerbera 4.2 about 2 years ago and cant remember thinking it was as quick as the figures suggested (although it was still bloody fast mind you) Although driving the Sag is completely different, over 6000rpm the thing explodes like nothing Ive ever driven.
Will be interesting to see what actually happens on the day...
Ill be cheering both on....
I drove a Cerbera 4.2 about 2 years ago and cant remember thinking it was as quick as the figures suggested (although it was still bloody fast mind you) Although driving the Sag is completely different, over 6000rpm the thing explodes like nothing Ive ever driven.
Will be interesting to see what actually happens on the day...
Ill be cheering both on....
Having said that... I remember taking a service bod out from my BMW dealer in 1999 (ran a 740i at the time), they'd just got their first E39 M5 demo car and the guy was almost euphoric about it's delivery.
Somehow, events conspired to see me drive him back to the dealership in the Cerby and within seconds he was dumbfounded: the noise, claustrophobia(!), sense of speed and sheer occasion of vaulting forth in this, then still venerated, curio of an automated, British leviathan, was all enveloping.
Of course that's the thing with a TVR, to those who have partaken of the mead from Wheeler's addictive cup, they are the essence of 'character cars,' especially if you had a new one and went through the birthing process via trips to Blackers - all genuinely joyous stuff and all the more diabolical now it's gone.
I think you may have a point about off the line 'Sagrocity' but again, it's a non-AJP lump and I always felt the six a more immediate lungekreiger.
Bring it to the next Vmax (October) and we shall put the debate to the test.
DeR.
Somehow, events conspired to see me drive him back to the dealership in the Cerby and within seconds he was dumbfounded: the noise, claustrophobia(!), sense of speed and sheer occasion of vaulting forth in this, then still venerated, curio of an automated, British leviathan, was all enveloping.
Of course that's the thing with a TVR, to those who have partaken of the mead from Wheeler's addictive cup, they are the essence of 'character cars,' especially if you had a new one and went through the birthing process via trips to Blackers - all genuinely joyous stuff and all the more diabolical now it's gone.
I think you may have a point about off the line 'Sagrocity' but again, it's a non-AJP lump and I always felt the six a more immediate lungekreiger.
Bring it to the next Vmax (October) and we shall put the debate to the test.
DeR.Rochester TVR said:
Firstly I love BMW's hence my name used to be 'Rochester BMW', my every day car is a 335i Saloon and 'may' soon be an E60 M5 Touring...
Having driven a variety of fast BMW's and in my experience I would be very surprised if any BMW could keep up with my TVR Sagaris in a straight line...
BMW's are truely great machines, but when it comes down to straight line speed IMO they really dont stand a chance at under 150mph over that I believe an M5 would start to catch up. (if the limiter was taken off)
I could 'possibly' have the M5 before this event, if so, I may be tempted to bring both along to see how they compare using accurate timing gear.
Like your reply there sir.Having driven a variety of fast BMW's and in my experience I would be very surprised if any BMW could keep up with my TVR Sagaris in a straight line...
BMW's are truely great machines, but when it comes down to straight line speed IMO they really dont stand a chance at under 150mph over that I believe an M5 would start to catch up. (if the limiter was taken off)
I could 'possibly' have the M5 before this event, if so, I may be tempted to bring both along to see how they compare using accurate timing gear.
I was at the event and given my log-in name am a BMW owner and soon to be TVR owner also.
BMW's are very good machines - i'll never sell mine - but they will honstly struggle to keep up with a TVR once the powers down. On the day these guys really showed us what they were made of. Don't think they're a pushover
. When i went to the Nurburgring back in April with the Cerbera guys i'd noticed that on the Autobhans if i had a `running start` i could only just about keep up with them well into 3 figures, with the 4.2 Cerbs just pulling away (4.5 i'd no chance) but from a standing start i didn't stand a chance.
I'd suggest keeping the date in your diary's for next year so come along and prove them wrong and i'm sure after the sucess of this year Longbow will post up again in 12 months with another Fighting Torque invite.
All the talk and results can be found HERE. I'd suggest having a scan through and looking at the results.
M3J.
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