I'm going to sell my M3...
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All cars bought by private individuals from a dealer have an automatic 3 month warrany minimum, it's the law.
Check trading standards for confirmation.
Take the car back to your supplying dealer and tell them that there is something seriously wrong.
The dealer may tell you that you do not have a warranty, they are lying (After all it is in their interest not to have to pay out).
If the car is under 6 years old in the UK you still have some comeback on the manufacturer under the Sale of Goods Act(Fit for purpose)rules.
Not many people are aware of these laws, that's because the dealers/manufacturers are running scared of them.
Good luck.
Zod.
Are you able to shed more light on this, or do you specialise in different areas?
Check trading standards for confirmation.
Take the car back to your supplying dealer and tell them that there is something seriously wrong.
The dealer may tell you that you do not have a warranty, they are lying (After all it is in their interest not to have to pay out).
If the car is under 6 years old in the UK you still have some comeback on the manufacturer under the Sale of Goods Act(Fit for purpose)rules.
Not many people are aware of these laws, that's because the dealers/manufacturers are running scared of them.
Good luck.
Zod.
Are you able to shed more light on this, or do you specialise in different areas?
Edited by Dave Dax builder on Sunday 16th December 10:30
Dave Dax builder said:
All cars bought by private individuals from a dealer have an automatic 3 month warrany minimum, it's the law.
Check trading standards for confirmation.
Take the car back to your supplying dealer and tell them that there is something seriously wrong.
The dealer may tell you that you do not have a warranty, they are lying (After all it is in their interest not to have to pay out).
If the car is under 6 years old in the UK you still have some comeback on the manufacturer under the Sale of Goods Act(Fit for purpose)rules.
Not many people are aware of these laws, that's because the dealers/manufacturers are running scared of them.
Good luck.
Bushes are a perishable item and not covered by warranty!Check trading standards for confirmation.
Take the car back to your supplying dealer and tell them that there is something seriously wrong.
The dealer may tell you that you do not have a warranty, they are lying (After all it is in their interest not to have to pay out).
If the car is under 6 years old in the UK you still have some comeback on the manufacturer under the Sale of Goods Act(Fit for purpose)rules.
Not many people are aware of these laws, that's because the dealers/manufacturers are running scared of them.
Good luck.
paoloh said:
Bushes are a perishable item and not covered by warranty!
Only 3 weeks of ownership though. These must have been defective prior to supply.For how the amount of movement in the rear end is being described here it sounds like there is something more serious afoot that just trailing arm bushes.
Edited by Dave Dax builder on Sunday 16th December 13:34
Dave Dax builder said:
paoloh said:
Bushes are a perishable item and not covered by warranty!
Only 3 weeks of ownership though. These must have been defective prior to supply.For how the amount of movement in the rear end is being described here it sounds like there is something more serious afoot that just trailing arm bushes.
Edited by Dave Dax builder on Sunday 16th December 13:34
Dave Dax builder said:
paoloh said:
How many more times, it WILL be the rear bushes!
My car needed the bushes changing as the rear end was not perfectly settled, It wasn't severe enough to change lanes under mild acceleration though. Hence my thinking there might be more to it that just the bushes.paoloh said:
Dave Dax builder said:
paoloh said:
How many more times, it WILL be the rear bushes!
My car needed the bushes changing as the rear end was not perfectly settled, It wasn't severe enough to change lanes under mild acceleration though. Hence my thinking there might be more to it that just the bushes.
I hope it is those bushes.
I read on a different car website that you can conduct 2 checks to see if its those bushes :
1) by braking hard and not touching the steering wheel to see if the car "pulls" to one side - did that and the car didn't pull.
2) by stomping on the accelerator and seeing if the back gets twitchy - did that and the traction control light flickered (but I'd expect that so not sure if thats a valid test
Irrespective I've never had a car before where something can wear out and nearly kill you (aside from tires / brakes!) - so I'm surprised its happened here and I'm surprised that BMW would be allowed to get away with it.
I'm still 50/50 whether I stuff it and trade it in for a 911, but I'll ring up my local specialist tomorrow and see what he says.
PS My car only just had an inspection II and there was nothing exceptional to report...if the bushes were gone wouldn't they have been picked up in the inspection or is that not checked?
I read on a different car website that you can conduct 2 checks to see if its those bushes :
1) by braking hard and not touching the steering wheel to see if the car "pulls" to one side - did that and the car didn't pull.
2) by stomping on the accelerator and seeing if the back gets twitchy - did that and the traction control light flickered (but I'd expect that so not sure if thats a valid test
Irrespective I've never had a car before where something can wear out and nearly kill you (aside from tires / brakes!) - so I'm surprised its happened here and I'm surprised that BMW would be allowed to get away with it.
I'm still 50/50 whether I stuff it and trade it in for a 911, but I'll ring up my local specialist tomorrow and see what he says.
PS My car only just had an inspection II and there was nothing exceptional to report...if the bushes were gone wouldn't they have been picked up in the inspection or is that not checked?
Also read this on another forum:
2. During a weird transition stage, I had badly worn MXX3's up front, and new Sumitimos in the rear. The car was really a handful, enough to make you *pucker* when you did a highway lane change or aggressively attack a corner. For some reason, the new rear/worn front combo was bad. Really bad. When I got new tires up front, all was well again. The feeling was a lot like bad RTABs, but even worse.*******
Regarding this gentlemans 2nd point - my front tires are at 3mm and my rears at 6mm....it affected this guy, do you think this could also be a factor?
- *********Your car's symptons sound pretty much like what I noticed under two different conditions:
2. During a weird transition stage, I had badly worn MXX3's up front, and new Sumitimos in the rear. The car was really a handful, enough to make you *pucker* when you did a highway lane change or aggressively attack a corner. For some reason, the new rear/worn front combo was bad. Really bad. When I got new tires up front, all was well again. The feeling was a lot like bad RTABs, but even worse.*******
Regarding this gentlemans 2nd point - my front tires are at 3mm and my rears at 6mm....it affected this guy, do you think this could also be a factor?
Edited by petrolhead76 on Sunday 16th December 21:02
Could also be a broken spring causing it to kick out? I've passengered in a 75k example, and could feel it twitching at the rear 
under moderate power, not something I thought it should be doing.
Quote above regarding tyres and scary handling probably more due to mixing (cheap) tyre brands rather than the tread depth. Don't sell it! (I'm still looking for one...)
under moderate power, not something I thought it should be doing.Quote above regarding tyres and scary handling probably more due to mixing (cheap) tyre brands rather than the tread depth. Don't sell it! (I'm still looking for one...)
You've asked this question about tread depth difference before, very recently, and the answer from many knowledgable people was a categorical no. What do you think has changed in a week?
edited to add: I know you think you're a very competent driver, you've said so which is more than I ever would claim, but why don't you contact your local IAM or RoADA group and go out on an assessment drive. Even if just to get a 2nd opinion on your driving style and habits. We all pick up bad habits over time, mostly without even being aware of it, and it may be a good idea to see if an expert driver might notice something in your style that's contributing to the apparent problem.
edited to add: I know you think you're a very competent driver, you've said so which is more than I ever would claim, but why don't you contact your local IAM or RoADA group and go out on an assessment drive. Even if just to get a 2nd opinion on your driving style and habits. We all pick up bad habits over time, mostly without even being aware of it, and it may be a good idea to see if an expert driver might notice something in your style that's contributing to the apparent problem.
Edited by naetype on Sunday 16th December 22:58
Dave Dax builder said:
paoloh said:
How many more times, it WILL be the rear bushes!
My car needed the bushes changing as the rear end was not perfectly settled, It wasn't severe enough to change lanes under mild acceleration though. Hence my thinking there might be more to it that just the bushes.Don't argue with 'Paolah'...Trust me! You don't know anything at all about cars...never have done...never will (and nor do I or anyone else for that matter!) and he knows EVERYTHING!
Yes, "How many times do I need to tell you?"
In fact, not just about cars but...about life as well!
Pretty soon he'll be asking you about your "jealously issues", expounding on your lack of "integrity"...
Say one more thing out of turn and in double quick time you too might be branded a "sad nasty little man".
baz1985 said:
paoloh said:
Dave Dax builder said:
paoloh said:
How many more times, it WILL be the rear bushes!
My car needed the bushes changing as the rear end was not perfectly settled, It wasn't severe enough to change lanes under mild acceleration though. Hence my thinking there might be more to it that just the bushes.The factory recommended settings are one thing , but when you look at the +/- tollerences it makes them a bit of a joke really.
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