Went and had a poke around a new M3 on Sunday....
Discussion
taffyracer said:
but you have a choice don't you, that's part of my point, the quality of the paint is not great, i accept and have admitted that already, that's not in dispute, but in NO way does it detract from what it was designed to do, it doesn't affect the RV's, it doesn't affect the way it drives, it doesn't affect anything apart from making threads like this extremely long and boring, personally I can accept that, i'm not a detailing fetishist so couldn't really give a toss, my car is a daily workhorse not a dream car and I would suggest that anyone expecting motoring perfection is looking in the wrong place wiht this sort of car, get a caterham for that.
It was choice to buy an M3, i wouldn't buy then and then complain, if it meant that much to me I simply wouldn't buy it
Don't understand your attitude taf. I have been VERY complimentary about the car both here and on numerous other threads BUT I'm not blind to it's faults. I can't think of one car that I've owned that hasn't had some niggle or other and being Petrolheads we'll pick over anything - won't we? I've not noticed ANYONE mentioning RV's (anyone who knows me from here knows I don't give a flying fig about them anyway) or how it drives being effected etc etc. My car was also a daily workhorse, to others it will be a dream car but that makes no difference. A £55k car should not have poor paintwork.It was choice to buy an M3, i wouldn't buy then and then complain, if it meant that much to me I simply wouldn't buy it
Edited by taffyracer on Friday 4th July 17:56
If your attitude is that once you've bought a car you never criticise it or complain good luck to you - maybe you're just more easily pleased. I loved my M3 - it was an awsomely capable, useable day to day tool and I've never said any different. Rubbish paint though. Re. "if it meant that much to me" as far as I can see there only seems to be one person on here getting slightly airated.
Carry on enjoying your wonderful car but accept it DOES have faults. Oh and re the boring bit? You know what this thread is about by now so just ignore it maybe? 
Cheers
Pugs.
Pugsey said:
If your attitude is that once you've bought a car you never criticise it or complain good luck to you - maybe you're just more easily pleased. I loved my M3 - it was an awsomely capable, useable day to day tool and I've never said any different. Rubbish paint though. Re. "if it meant that much to me" as far as I can see there only seems to be one person on here getting slightly airated. Carry on enjoying your wonderful car but accept it DOES have faults. Oh and re the boring bit? You know what this thread is about by now so just ignore it maybe?
I think the point is that if you know in advance that the finish is very likely to be crap ('cos the dealer says "they're all like, sir") then if that bothers you why knowingly put yourself through the stress of buying the car and then trying to get it sorted? Carry on enjoying your wonderful car but accept it DOES have faults. Oh and re the boring bit? You know what this thread is about by now so just ignore it maybe? That's surely almost lemming like behavior?
aah, i like a good scrap so i'll keep on posting, i accept it's crap I just don't find it so bad that it affects the car, we can all moan, i do more than most usually, I am also wrong alot of the time, I can be opinionated and blind to other arguments, I know that, but i just feel that this is not really the issue that some would make it be, paint is crap but aren;t all modern cars really, let's face it we live with mass manufacfure now, porsche are even making diesels!
Deva Link said:
Pugsey said:
If your attitude is that once you've bought a car you never criticise it or complain good luck to you - maybe you're just more easily pleased. I loved my M3 - it was an awsomely capable, useable day to day tool and I've never said any different. Rubbish paint though. Re. "if it meant that much to me" as far as I can see there only seems to be one person on here getting slightly airated. Carry on enjoying your wonderful car but accept it DOES have faults. Oh and re the boring bit? You know what this thread is about by now so just ignore it maybe?
I think the point is that if you know in advance that the finish is very likely to be crap ('cos the dealer says "they're all like, sir") then if that bothers you why knowingly put yourself through the stress of buying the car and then trying to get it sorted? Carry on enjoying your wonderful car but accept it DOES have faults. Oh and re the boring bit? You know what this thread is about by now so just ignore it maybe? That's surely almost lemming like behavior?
Oh and I really should have edited my last post to read that, although my M3 was an everyday tool for me, thinking about it it WAS also a dream car - as all my future M cars will be. It would be sad indeed to ever reach the stage where they were anything else IMO.
taffyracer said:
aah, i like a good scrap so i'll keep on posting, i accept it's crap I just don't find it so bad that it affects the car, we can all moan, i do more than most usually, I am also wrong alot of the time, I can be opinionated and blind to other arguments, I know that, but i just feel that this is not really the issue that some would make it be, paint is crap but aren;t all modern cars really, let's face it we live with mass manufacfure now, porsche are even making diesels!
Ee! You're not wrong lad. Time for a pint! 
I'm off. Good weekend one and all!
Morning chaps!
After reading last nights comments I can understand where both sides come from.
AS I said earlier in this thread, I have never actually been in a position to spend such a large amount of money on a car before and I am going to take my time doing it. I have always wanted a brand new 'M' Car and for me it is a dream to be able to walk into a showroom and say 'I want that one in blue please', but now I've reached this position I'm disappointed that BMW have let their quality standards drop to a point where I'd actually mention it on a thread.
For me it would be a second car, as there is no way on earth I'd drive it to work everyday (I plan to keep the barge) I don't really care about residual values and I know that it is one of the best handling cars in its class. It is just, as always, the little things that can mar the overall experience. Maybe if I wait a few months they will sort out these quality issues, after all, the car is still relatively new.
After reading last nights comments I can understand where both sides come from.
AS I said earlier in this thread, I have never actually been in a position to spend such a large amount of money on a car before and I am going to take my time doing it. I have always wanted a brand new 'M' Car and for me it is a dream to be able to walk into a showroom and say 'I want that one in blue please', but now I've reached this position I'm disappointed that BMW have let their quality standards drop to a point where I'd actually mention it on a thread.
For me it would be a second car, as there is no way on earth I'd drive it to work everyday (I plan to keep the barge) I don't really care about residual values and I know that it is one of the best handling cars in its class. It is just, as always, the little things that can mar the overall experience. Maybe if I wait a few months they will sort out these quality issues, after all, the car is still relatively new.
Have you witnessed the calibre of work conducted by car dealership valet staff, in general?
It's diabolical.
Indeed, from the moment most cars leave the production line to the point they're handed over, the likelihood of several F Krugers applying their dirty sponge based handiwork is substantial.
That's just the new ones: anything even remotely 2nd hand will have been owned by at least one punter where swirl and scratch inducing wash techniques will have been employed with blissful ignorance.
I was mortified by the condition of a near factory fresh Alpina B5; the paint correction required was a major job which did, at least, restore quite the most gorgeous paint work I've ever encountered.
The use of s
tty paint is not limited to BMW, however; pointless environmental dictats have clearly wove their spell at Mercedes and across Italy - an S600L, for example, in a dark blue, was a fellow sufferer of the Krugerite indifference.
Re orange peel, well, I must acknowledge similar issues although in fairness, once identified my regional dealer did (without any form of Lexain expediency, alas) eventually commission the requisite work which has held up to the desired/expected standard since.
Re the interiors, I'm surprised to hear of misadventure by the maker since compared to all alternatives (including LS series Lexae) the Beemers of the last two years have struck me as possessing interiors assembled to and adopting materials constructed from qualities matching and in some areas, surprisingly, outpacing Audi (who do, btw, have the best paint jobs, ime...)
It's diabolical.
Indeed, from the moment most cars leave the production line to the point they're handed over, the likelihood of several F Krugers applying their dirty sponge based handiwork is substantial.
That's just the new ones: anything even remotely 2nd hand will have been owned by at least one punter where swirl and scratch inducing wash techniques will have been employed with blissful ignorance.
I was mortified by the condition of a near factory fresh Alpina B5; the paint correction required was a major job which did, at least, restore quite the most gorgeous paint work I've ever encountered.
The use of s
tty paint is not limited to BMW, however; pointless environmental dictats have clearly wove their spell at Mercedes and across Italy - an S600L, for example, in a dark blue, was a fellow sufferer of the Krugerite indifference.Re orange peel, well, I must acknowledge similar issues although in fairness, once identified my regional dealer did (without any form of Lexain expediency, alas) eventually commission the requisite work which has held up to the desired/expected standard since.
Re the interiors, I'm surprised to hear of misadventure by the maker since compared to all alternatives (including LS series Lexae) the Beemers of the last two years have struck me as possessing interiors assembled to and adopting materials constructed from qualities matching and in some areas, surprisingly, outpacing Audi (who do, btw, have the best paint jobs, ime...)
Edited by derestrictor on Saturday 5th July 15:17
^^ Verily!
Indeed my local dealership have their own whirly brush car-washer "round the back" for the express purpose of taking brand new cars off the back of the transporter, straight into it and producing a lovely, homogenous 'satin' finish!
But that's for new cars. Vehicles coming in for servicing are treated to a complimentary 'hand-valet' conducted by spotty, couldn't-care-less, gap-year A-Level student who is half asleep having spent most of the previous night engaged in hand-jobs of an altogether different variety!
On the rare occasions that circumstances dictate and I'm compelled to use my main-dealer I decline their generous 'offer' (and coffee)...even though I AM paying for it and there's absolutely nothing complimentary about it in the first place...by means of clearly written signs affixed to windows and steering wheel emblazoned with: "PLEASE DO NOT WASH AFTER SERVICE - THANK YOU!"
Regards mis-guided Euro-meddling:
The edict on solvent-based paints has not only affected the big car manufacturers. They may have been the biggest so-called polluters but they were also the ones with the resource to allow them to be the ones least likely to be hurt by the change.
It has hit the small business far harder. To the extent that the one-man band I used to use had to go out of business because the costs of equipping himself with the infra-structure for these paints was impossible. A business he'd run for 16 years. He's not an old chap...but now he's redundant...and can't get any other work locally.
And I suspect he's not alone in his position!
B&stards - all of 'em!
Indeed my local dealership have their own whirly brush car-washer "round the back" for the express purpose of taking brand new cars off the back of the transporter, straight into it and producing a lovely, homogenous 'satin' finish!
But that's for new cars. Vehicles coming in for servicing are treated to a complimentary 'hand-valet' conducted by spotty, couldn't-care-less, gap-year A-Level student who is half asleep having spent most of the previous night engaged in hand-jobs of an altogether different variety!
On the rare occasions that circumstances dictate and I'm compelled to use my main-dealer I decline their generous 'offer' (and coffee)...even though I AM paying for it and there's absolutely nothing complimentary about it in the first place...by means of clearly written signs affixed to windows and steering wheel emblazoned with: "PLEASE DO NOT WASH AFTER SERVICE - THANK YOU!"
Regards mis-guided Euro-meddling:
The edict on solvent-based paints has not only affected the big car manufacturers. They may have been the biggest so-called polluters but they were also the ones with the resource to allow them to be the ones least likely to be hurt by the change.
It has hit the small business far harder. To the extent that the one-man band I used to use had to go out of business because the costs of equipping himself with the infra-structure for these paints was impossible. A business he'd run for 16 years. He's not an old chap...but now he's redundant...and can't get any other work locally.
And I suspect he's not alone in his position!
B&stards - all of 'em!
That's appalling, m'lud Derrin: diaboilical indifference characterised by a political elite produced via simple, dynastic inheritance or at least some other, vaccuous subscription to the church of Islington based vino rouge slurpage and the real economy be damned.
Did you read the comments of that imbecile Timothy Yeo, MP - Tory Enviro spokesfool? Truckers dying where they stand but hey - fuel cheaper in real terms than it ever has been! What were those foolish waggonieres thinking?
Honestly, anyone would think an additional £25k/year/waggon was some kind of issue!
Utter dogs, the lot of 'em.
Did you read the comments of that imbecile Timothy Yeo, MP - Tory Enviro spokesfool? Truckers dying where they stand but hey - fuel cheaper in real terms than it ever has been! What were those foolish waggonieres thinking?
Honestly, anyone would think an additional £25k/year/waggon was some kind of issue!
Utter dogs, the lot of 'em.
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