E60 M5 real world 0-60 time
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W8PMC said:
My M5 was unrestricted & re-mapped by DMS & even on the very longest of Autobahn sections on my way to Spa or the Nordschleife, the best i ever managed was 186 on the GPS.
A good number of GT-R owners have seen 200MPH+ as many cars actually output a good chunk more than the Mfctrs quoted power outputs.
Have spotted a couple of M5 200MPH runs on youTube, but all seem to be in very HIGHLY tuned M5's, not seen any stock cars hitting the double ton.
The M5 is a very fast car, but very different in it's DNA make-up to the GT-R which was designed to be all about performance & less about refinement. They're very different cars.
That's odd; I guess at the top end the M6 must be quite a bit lower of Cd - wor coupé has exceeded 190 at Vmax and strafed the holiest of holies a few times... A good number of GT-R owners have seen 200MPH+ as many cars actually output a good chunk more than the Mfctrs quoted power outputs.
Have spotted a couple of M5 200MPH runs on youTube, but all seem to be in very HIGHLY tuned M5's, not seen any stock cars hitting the double ton.
The M5 is a very fast car, but very different in it's DNA make-up to the GT-R which was designed to be all about performance & less about refinement. They're very different cars.
derestrictor said:
W8PMC said:
My M5 was unrestricted & re-mapped by DMS & even on the very longest of Autobahn sections on my way to Spa or the Nordschleife, the best i ever managed was 186 on the GPS.
A good number of GT-R owners have seen 200MPH+ as many cars actually output a good chunk more than the Mfctrs quoted power outputs.
Have spotted a couple of M5 200MPH runs on youTube, but all seem to be in very HIGHLY tuned M5's, not seen any stock cars hitting the double ton.
The M5 is a very fast car, but very different in it's DNA make-up to the GT-R which was designed to be all about performance & less about refinement. They're very different cars.
That's odd; I guess at the top end the M6 must be quite a bit lower of Cd - wor coupé has exceeded 190 at Vmax and strafed the holiest of holies a few times... A good number of GT-R owners have seen 200MPH+ as many cars actually output a good chunk more than the Mfctrs quoted power outputs.
Have spotted a couple of M5 200MPH runs on youTube, but all seem to be in very HIGHLY tuned M5's, not seen any stock cars hitting the double ton.
The M5 is a very fast car, but very different in it's DNA make-up to the GT-R which was designed to be all about performance & less about refinement. They're very different cars.
The M6 is alot more slippery at the higher speeds so can get there quicker & of course it's not as chubby as the M5. At lower speeds naturally the differences are smaller.
My best VMAX run in the M5 was either 180/181 & that was DMS tuned & de-restricted (scuse the pun), stock E60 M5's IIRC run around 164/165 through the trap.
W8PMC said:
derestrictor said:
W8PMC said:
My M5 was unrestricted & re-mapped by DMS & even on the very longest of Autobahn sections on my way to Spa or the Nordschleife, the best i ever managed was 186 on the GPS.
A good number of GT-R owners have seen 200MPH+ as many cars actually output a good chunk more than the Mfctrs quoted power outputs.
Have spotted a couple of M5 200MPH runs on youTube, but all seem to be in very HIGHLY tuned M5's, not seen any stock cars hitting the double ton.
The M5 is a very fast car, but very different in it's DNA make-up to the GT-R which was designed to be all about performance & less about refinement. They're very different cars.
That's odd; I guess at the top end the M6 must be quite a bit lower of Cd - wor coupé has exceeded 190 at Vmax and strafed the holiest of holies a few times... A good number of GT-R owners have seen 200MPH+ as many cars actually output a good chunk more than the Mfctrs quoted power outputs.
Have spotted a couple of M5 200MPH runs on youTube, but all seem to be in very HIGHLY tuned M5's, not seen any stock cars hitting the double ton.
The M5 is a very fast car, but very different in it's DNA make-up to the GT-R which was designed to be all about performance & less about refinement. They're very different cars.
The M6 is alot more slippery at the higher speeds so can get there quicker & of course it's not as chubby as the M5. At lower speeds naturally the differences are smaller.
My best VMAX run in the M5 was either 180/181 & that was DMS tuned & de-restricted (scuse the pun), stock E60 M5's IIRC run around 164/165 through the trap.
I ask because I did 163mph in a restricted M6, in 6th gear with still 1k rpm to go.
so by my estimation, an extra gear and 3k rpmish to add 37MPH seems like an easy thing to do...
Edited by isee on Thursday 20th January 12:05
W8PMC said:
derestrictor said:
W8PMC said:
My M5 was unrestricted & re-mapped by DMS & even on the very longest of Autobahn sections on my way to Spa or the Nordschleife, the best i ever managed was 186 on the GPS.
A good number of GT-R owners have seen 200MPH+ as many cars actually output a good chunk more than the Mfctrs quoted power outputs.
Have spotted a couple of M5 200MPH runs on youTube, but all seem to be in very HIGHLY tuned M5's, not seen any stock cars hitting the double ton.
The M5 is a very fast car, but very different in it's DNA make-up to the GT-R which was designed to be all about performance & less about refinement. They're very different cars.
That's odd; I guess at the top end the M6 must be quite a bit lower of Cd - wor coupé has exceeded 190 at Vmax and strafed the holiest of holies a few times... A good number of GT-R owners have seen 200MPH+ as many cars actually output a good chunk more than the Mfctrs quoted power outputs.
Have spotted a couple of M5 200MPH runs on youTube, but all seem to be in very HIGHLY tuned M5's, not seen any stock cars hitting the double ton.
The M5 is a very fast car, but very different in it's DNA make-up to the GT-R which was designed to be all about performance & less about refinement. They're very different cars.
The M6 is alot more slippery at the higher speeds so can get there quicker & of course it's not as chubby as the M5. At lower speeds naturally the differences are smaller.
My best VMAX run in the M5 was either 180/181 & that was DMS tuned & de-restricted (scuse the pun), stock E60 M5's IIRC run around 164/165 through the trap.
Thats a very low figure if the latter, my restricted e90 M3 Saloon hit 160 halfway down the main straight at Vmax and was still pulling well as it hit the limiter. I recall an e60 M5 hitting close to 190mph on the same day.
Found the results of that day:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
The M5 that hit 187mph looked totally standard, can't recall it having even a modded exhaust.
Futhermore, the next vmax had a GTR present which hit 182mph:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Even if its not conclusive proof I think it shows that they are both pretty evenly matched, don't forget it was BMW's own engineers who put out the rumour of the M5's 205mph top speed.
Edited by -Z- on Thursday 20th January 12:40
-Z- said:
W8PMC said:
derestrictor said:
W8PMC said:
My M5 was unrestricted & re-mapped by DMS & even on the very longest of Autobahn sections on my way to Spa or the Nordschleife, the best i ever managed was 186 on the GPS.
A good number of GT-R owners have seen 200MPH+ as many cars actually output a good chunk more than the Mfctrs quoted power outputs.
Have spotted a couple of M5 200MPH runs on youTube, but all seem to be in very HIGHLY tuned M5's, not seen any stock cars hitting the double ton.
The M5 is a very fast car, but very different in it's DNA make-up to the GT-R which was designed to be all about performance & less about refinement. They're very different cars.
That's odd; I guess at the top end the M6 must be quite a bit lower of Cd - wor coupé has exceeded 190 at Vmax and strafed the holiest of holies a few times... A good number of GT-R owners have seen 200MPH+ as many cars actually output a good chunk more than the Mfctrs quoted power outputs.
Have spotted a couple of M5 200MPH runs on youTube, but all seem to be in very HIGHLY tuned M5's, not seen any stock cars hitting the double ton.
The M5 is a very fast car, but very different in it's DNA make-up to the GT-R which was designed to be all about performance & less about refinement. They're very different cars.
The M6 is alot more slippery at the higher speeds so can get there quicker & of course it's not as chubby as the M5. At lower speeds naturally the differences are smaller.
My best VMAX run in the M5 was either 180/181 & that was DMS tuned & de-restricted (scuse the pun), stock E60 M5's IIRC run around 164/165 through the trap.
Thats a very low figure if the latter, my restricted e90 M3 Saloon hit 160 halfway down the main straight at Vmax and was still pulling well as it hit the limiter. I recall an e60 M5 hitting close to 190mph on the same day.
Found the results of that day:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
The M5 that hit 187mph looked totally standard, can't recall it having even a modded exhaust.
Futhermore, the next vmax had a GTR present which hit 182mph:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Even if its not conclusive proof I think it shows that they are both pretty evenly matched, don't forget it was BMW's own engineers who put out the rumour of the M5's 205mph top speed.
Edited by -Z- on Thursday 20th January 12:40
I'd be amazed if the M5 quoted above as hitting 187MPH was not highly modified (exhaust, headers, pulleys, map & filters etc.) as mine was no slouch & never made more than 181MPH with a strong DMS re-map. Going back to even earlier VMAX's i recall i ran head to head in my then highly modified RS6 against Rob from DMS in his tuned E60 M5 & both cars were hitting 181MPH.
Am aware the GT-R's gearing is not set-up for max speed but set for the time it takes to get their so sixth gear is not all that long & will only i guess hit the quoted 193MPH. Some GT-R's with a light tune are hitting over 200 but stock they won't.
My original point when quoting the other post was to question at which point the M5 would walk away from the GT-R as that post just said at higher speeds.
isee said:
W8PMC said:
derestrictor said:
W8PMC said:
My M5 was unrestricted & re-mapped by DMS & even on the very longest of Autobahn sections on my way to Spa or the Nordschleife, the best i ever managed was 186 on the GPS.
A good number of GT-R owners have seen 200MPH+ as many cars actually output a good chunk more than the Mfctrs quoted power outputs.
Have spotted a couple of M5 200MPH runs on youTube, but all seem to be in very HIGHLY tuned M5's, not seen any stock cars hitting the double ton.
The M5 is a very fast car, but very different in it's DNA make-up to the GT-R which was designed to be all about performance & less about refinement. They're very different cars.
That's odd; I guess at the top end the M6 must be quite a bit lower of Cd - wor coupé has exceeded 190 at Vmax and strafed the holiest of holies a few times... A good number of GT-R owners have seen 200MPH+ as many cars actually output a good chunk more than the Mfctrs quoted power outputs.
Have spotted a couple of M5 200MPH runs on youTube, but all seem to be in very HIGHLY tuned M5's, not seen any stock cars hitting the double ton.
The M5 is a very fast car, but very different in it's DNA make-up to the GT-R which was designed to be all about performance & less about refinement. They're very different cars.
The M6 is alot more slippery at the higher speeds so can get there quicker & of course it's not as chubby as the M5. At lower speeds naturally the differences are smaller.
My best VMAX run in the M5 was either 180/181 & that was DMS tuned & de-restricted (scuse the pun), stock E60 M5's IIRC run around 164/165 through the trap.
I ask because I did 163mph in a restricted M6, in 6th gear with still 1k rpm to go.
so by my estimation, an extra gear and 3k rpmish to add 37MPH seems like an easy thing to do...
Edited by isee on Thursday 20th January 12:05
The logic of "had an extra gear & more revs" does not manifest itself that simply.
My last run at VMAX was in a DMS & Milltek tuned B7 RS4 (circa 440BHP) saw me hitting 174MPH at the top end of 5th gear with about 500rpm left, however the highest speed i've heard of for a similar tuned car was 186ish so only 12MPH higher than i got at Brunters, but with the extra gear & revs.
My initial post was never meant to appear as M5 vs. GT-R as having owned each i admire them both for what they do best, but was purely to question the post i quoted in exactly where was the M5 going to walk away from the GT-R, even using just the Mfctrs claimed performance stats.
ecain63 said:
Pretty sure it was Stormsters M5 that hit 187mph. Not standard though. He's had pulley, headers, exhaust, custom map, inlet mods done. 580bhp or there abouts. Was pulling away from the GTR above 120.
I must learn to type quicker
So that's a good 100BHP more than the GT-R.
Curious, did they run head to head? How did both perform off the line & up to 100 & 150?
W8PMC said:
ecain63 said:
Pretty sure it was Stormsters M5 that hit 187mph. Not standard though. He's had pulley, headers, exhaust, custom map, inlet mods done. 580bhp or there abouts. Was pulling away from the GTR above 120.
I must learn to type quickerSo that's a good 100BHP more than the GT-R.
Curious, did they run head to head? How did both perform off the line & up to 100 & 150?
ecain63 said:
W8PMC said:
ecain63 said:
Pretty sure it was Stormsters M5 that hit 187mph. Not standard though. He's had pulley, headers, exhaust, custom map, inlet mods done. 580bhp or there abouts. Was pulling away from the GTR above 120.
I must learn to type quickerSo that's a good 100BHP more than the GT-R.
Curious, did they run head to head? How did both perform off the line & up to 100 & 150?
Looking forward to seeing how different it performs compared to the previous cars i've run at Brunters.
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