Why so high?

[rat rod]

P5BNij said:

Well it's worth a shuftie even though I don't really want a soft top (the Vette at Shiltech). They've got a nice early 911 in as well

Meanwhile, some Superformance GT40 goodness to be going on with...









And Kidderminster based Tornado Sportscar's version, I've had a good look at some of theirs and the quality is excellent...



Just seen that Biscayne, looks like a barrel of fun

Edited by P5BNij on Friday 17th March 19:46

Edited by P5BNij on Friday 17th March 19:47

Sounds ideal his and hers . job lot 911 and a C3 ,Says it's got a factory detachable hard top so no excuse,best of both worlds

and they might take the Maser in p/ex.

[roscobbc]

urquattroGus said:

aeropilot said:

roscobbc said:

.......but he is a dealer with a good reputation....

Depends on who you talk to

I didn’t really like the guy when I met him, he made a bid on my Plymouth then when I went to take it up he backed away from it. Then when enquiring about the stock he had there was no leeway or room for discussion. Ruthless is the word that comes to mind.

Edited by urquattroGus on Friday 17th March 17:40

Some businesses are prepared to 'sit' on their stock for as long as it takes to sell them.......

[rat rod]

One here for you newsatten ,right up your street !!

840 bhp TVR Cerbera Speed 12, Listed today on Car & Classic.

Don't panick you got til the 20th of May to put your vital organs on Ebay

[rat rod]

Just noticed that Silverstone's have got another black Cosworth 500 in their next auction.

This one is higher mileage but still low at 17,000 miles,

They are selling it at their Super Car sale in May, Not normal to enter cars like Cosworth's in a sale that

is normally dedicated to Super Cars ,obviously trying their luck again and who can blame them .

Most of the Super Cars entered won't get anywhere near the £600K the last Cosi fetched so

i suppose it's a case of when is a super car not a super car

Wonder if history will repeat itself,i doubt it ,Along with all the Cosworth 500 owners it should be

interesting to watch. Funny enough a 1987 none 500 Cosworth in blue didn't sell this week at

HH auction with a estimate of between £50K-£60K

Edited by rat rod on Saturday 18th March 09:32

[newsatten]

rat rod said:

One here for you newsatten ,right up your street !!

840 bhp TVR Cerbera Speed 12, Listed today on Car & Classic.

Don't panick you got til the 20th of May to put your vital organs on Ebay

I’d never get in it!
I’m two year post TKR now , can still walk fine
but bending it around awkward things like high sills is definitely getting harder! Lol
Ironically getting in a left hooker is actually easier!

I did look for it but couldn’t find it??
Blimey I’ve been in a RedRose 4.5
And that was unbelievable! Closest thing to super bike I’ve ridden in, god knows what we’ll twice the HP
Must be like!!!

[CharliesTTS]

Thread and link here

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[CharliesTTS]

Does this tickle anyone’s fancy?

https://www.carandclassic.com/auctions/1969-oldsmo...

[rat rod]

CharliesTTS said:

Does this tickle anyone’s fancy?

https://www.carandclassic.com/auctions/1969-oldsmo...

Underrated over here ,don't think i've ever seen one with a manual box.

Called the doctors muscle car in the States for being so understated.

Very nice ,shame it's in Car & Classic auction,not sure if i would want to

get involved after hearing about "Motorama's" experience with them preferring

to be in the driving seat when buying and selling.

[roscobbc]

rat rod said:

CharliesTTS said:

Does this tickle anyone’s fancy?

https://www.carandclassic.com/auctions/1969-oldsmo...

Underrated over here ,don't think i've ever seen one with a manual box.

Called the doctors muscle car in the States for being so understated.

Very nice ,shame it's in Car & Classic auction,not sure if i would want to

get involved after hearing about "Motorama's" experience with them preferring

to be in the driving seat when buying and selling.

Has anyone noticed of late that these auction houses are all seemingly trying to outdo themselves with the bks descriptions and endless images of the vehicles on offer............just wouldn't have any faith in
A. the auctioneers actually knowing anything about the marques in question (rather than copying-off some blurb about the manufacturing history and
B. a total absolution of any responsibilty for the vehicle being what its supposed to be and finally
C. a great opportunity for a less than honest seller to avoid questions from potential buyers and to 'hide' behind the auction houses terms and condidtions.
100% agree with Ratrod's view. Having said all that the car in question really looks like a nice vehicle for a 'tribute' to a 442. Strange isn't it that the 442 alludes to 4 speed transmission - 4 bbl carb - 2 exhausts yet most 442's you ever see (not many) are autos. The manual 442's from this period are formidable performers and equal or better than all their contemporaries.

[aeropilot]

CharliesTTS said:

Does this tickle anyone’s fancy?

https://www.carandclassic.com/auctions/1969-oldsmo...

Another idiot seller....

Seller reckons its got a big block Chevy....when it's clearly an Olds motor

They built it with the weak cheap axle as well, rather than a 12 bolt....which given its a 4-speed and has all those nice Hotchiss suspension upgrades and bigger brakes etc (and stupid wheels) seems a bit of an own goal.

Be interesting to see what it sells for, if it sells.

[P5BNij]

I don't like those larger wheels at all, I get why some do but to me they spoil the overall look of a car completely. Get some 15 inch Torque Thrusts on it, quick!

In amongst the Mustangs on c&c I've just noticed this pair of RHD soft tops, a '71 and a '72, as I've said I don't really want a rag top but it must be unusual to see two right hookers for sale at the same time...

https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1363518

https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1482450 (dash looks a mess where another stereo has been fitted)

I had a look at this '73 'breadvan' at Stoneleigh back in 2019, it looked very nice in the metal, but as much as I like the shape the rearward view when reversing in or out of the garage must be minimal...

https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1536240

Edited by P5BNij on Sunday 19th March 15:42

[rat rod]

P5BNij said:

I don't like those larger wheels at all, I get why some do but to me they spoil the overall look of a car completely. Get some 15 inch Torque Thrusts on it, quick!

In amongst the Mustangs on c&c I've just noticed this pair of RHD soft tops, a '71 and a '72, as I've said I don't really want a rag top but it must be unusual to see two right hookers for sale at the same time...

https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1363518

https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1482450 (dash looks a mess where another stereo has been fitted)

I had a look at this '73 'breadvan' at Stoneleigh back in 2019, it looked very nice in the metal, but as much as I like the shape the rearward view when reversing in or out of the garage must be minimal...

https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1536240

Edited by P5BNij on Sunday 19th March 15:42

Not keen on them, big and clumsy and handle like a boat in a storm,and you are right about reversing them anywhere let alone out of your garage,

not just the van like rear vision but the high back seats and dashboard doesn't help either especially for short ass's like us.

Must admit the blue coupe looks like a nice car with the Magnum 500's.

They were ok when they were the poor mans way into Mustang ownership but there's plenty of superior same size yanks out there for that tpye of money.

[aeropilot]

rat rod said:

P5BNij said:

I don't like those larger wheels at all, I get why some do but to me they spoil the overall look of a car completely. Get some 15 inch Torque Thrusts on it, quick!

In amongst the Mustangs on c&c I've just noticed this pair of RHD soft tops, a '71 and a '72, as I've said I don't really want a rag top but it must be unusual to see two right hookers for sale at the same time...

https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1363518

https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1482450 (dash looks a mess where another stereo has been fitted)

I had a look at this '73 'breadvan' at Stoneleigh back in 2019, it looked very nice in the metal, but as much as I like the shape the rearward view when reversing in or out of the garage must be minimal...

https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1536240

Edited by P5BNij on Sunday 19th March 15:42

Not keen on them

I've never really been a fan either. Only 1971 or later yank I like is a bull-nose T/A.
There's not a big list of post 1966 stuff I like either, what there is is all the mega expensive stuff....

[roscobbc]

I don't care for RHD yanks......especially ones that are converted on a one-off basis. Where would you source replacement dash components.......wiring can be a nightmare. The blue says 302 Cleveland.......no such thing. A Boss 302 had Cleveland sized heads......but a 302 is simply a 302 unless someone in the past has sourced Australian 351 2v heads for it. A '71 to '73 Mustang Vert is a heavy car....perhaps 3600lbs or so.......bit of a task for a 2bbl 302 to haul along.......Nice cars actually if you forget they are supposed to be a Mustang!

[rat rod]

roscobbc said:

I don't care for RHD yanks......especially ones that are converted on a one-off basis. Where would you source replacement dash components.......wiring can be a nightmare. The blue says 302 Cleveland.......no such thing. A Boss 302 had Cleveland sized heads......but a 302 is simply a 302 unless someone in the past has sourced Australian 351 2v heads for it. A '71 to '73 Mustang Vert is a heavy car....perhaps 3600lbs or so.......bit of a task for a 2bbl 302 to haul along.......Nice cars actually if you forget they are supposed to be a Mustang!

Rosco quoted "Nice cars actually if you forget they are supposed to be a Mustang "

Summed up well Rosco .

Edited by rat rod on Sunday 19th March 20:50

[newsatten]

I quite liked my 71' Mach one, proper product of it time, mine had a full custom paint, rolling banners, rebel flags ,the works, full draylon red trime, twin glass sunroofs etc....................................

would go sideways at a touch of the loud peddle, but i reality it was a rusted turd, and that was 1981 ish??
still great fun though.....................
and drove light years better than the 68's

[aeropilot]

roscobbc said:

I don't care for RHD yanks......especially ones that are converted on a one-off basis. Where would you source replacement dash components.......wiring can be a nightmare.

Not to mention the steering can be very iffy, with these RHD conversions, due to having to route around other components in the way, as they had never been designed for RHD application.

roscobbc said:

The blue says 302 Cleveland.......no such thing. A Boss 302 had Cleveland sized heads......but a 302 is simply a 302 unless someone in the past has sourced Australian 351 2v heads for it.

Yep, the 302 is a 'Windsor', not a Cleveland, although that term only appeared after the introduction of the Cleveland as a way of differentiating the two engine types.
As rosco says, the BOSS302 was a '67 GT-40 block with a set of the original large valve canted Cleveland heads, and was thus a unique hybrid....and a hell of an engine.

[roscobbc]

newsatten said:

I quite liked my 71' Mach one, proper product of it time, mine had a full custom paint, rolling banners, rebel flags ,the works, full draylon red trime, twin glass sunroofs etc....................................

would go sideways at a touch of the loud peddle, but i reality it was a rusted turd, and that was 1981 ish??
still great fun though.....................
and drove light years better than the 68's

Newsatten is on the button summing up the 71' to '73 'breadvans' - that one of his seems vaguely familiar (did it do the show circuits) - even though larger and heavier than Mustangs before it (and after) it had better front/rear balance and was better placed to put the power down than earlier cars......mine, with its 429 SCJ lump, C6 and factory 4.11 detroit locker would naturally light-up the rugs in 1st. Also changing-up in to second. And on a dry tarmac surface would easily 'chirp' its 295/50 BFG's going in to third. But it was like the current Camaro inside - similar in terms of driver visibility to being in a 1930's Post Office letter box or Sherman tank looking out of a narrow 'slot'. With its dashboard set so high you would have to sit-up really straight in your drivers seat to have a chance of peering-up and over the top of it. Side windows that set at chin level and were too high to rest your arm on........probably a good thing as to reverse-up and see behind (with its virtually horizontal rear window) you needed to use your left arm to lever and prop your body up to try and twist your head around outside the window to see behind you.......and at the same time manage to keep your right foot covering the brake pedal as you attempt to back-up.................don't Contach owners have a similar issue and generally reverse with half their body out of the car....?

Edited by roscobbc on Sunday 19th March 20:40

[Oneball]

roscobbc said:

I don't care for RHD yanks......especially ones that are converted on a one-off basis. Where would you source replacement dash components.......wiring can be a nightmare. The blue says 302 Cleveland.......no such thing. A Boss 302 had Cleveland sized heads......but a 302 is simply a 302 unless someone in the past has sourced Australian 351 2v heads for it. A '71 to '73 Mustang Vert is a heavy car....perhaps 3600lbs or so.......bit of a task for a 2bbl 302 to haul along.......Nice cars actually if you forget they are supposed to be a Mustang!

A Boss 302 block is different to regular 302 it’s not just the heads. They’re a special material and have 4 bolt mains etc.

[aeropilot]

Oneball said:

roscobbc said:

I don't care for RHD yanks......especially ones that are converted on a one-off basis. Where would you source replacement dash components.......wiring can be a nightmare. The blue says 302 Cleveland.......no such thing. A Boss 302 had Cleveland sized heads......but a 302 is simply a 302 unless someone in the past has sourced Australian 351 2v heads for it. A '71 to '73 Mustang Vert is a heavy car....perhaps 3600lbs or so.......bit of a task for a 2bbl 302 to haul along.......Nice cars actually if you forget they are supposed to be a Mustang!

A Boss 302 block is different to regular 302 it’s not just the heads. They’re a special material and have 4 bolt mains etc.

As per my post above, for the BOSS302 Ford used the special block casting they developed for the later GT40 Lemans engines.