Why so high?

[newsatten]

The Falcon Add says reworked cylinder head....................... a in line six for sure.....................

funny looking car from the front, looks almost eastern European .....................

[P5BNij]

aeropilot said:

rat rod said:

aeropilot said:

rat rod said:

P5BNij said:

Karl Ludvigsen's book on the history of the Corvette has just arrived, my poor postie almost had a hernia delivering it....

Sounds like you've narrowed your search down to a C3 ,good choice but just to confuse you i noticed a very nice 63 Falcon

on Car and Classic with all the right bits, 401 V8, 4 speed Auto, power rack & pinion steering,power disc brakes, headers,

colour looks similar to Audi Nardo grey, compact yank with that engine makes it a ideal sleeper and it will fit in the garage,

Just a thought .

Not a 401 V8.....ads says its 4100cc........which makes me think its a inline 6, not a V8.

Looks nice though, just needs a SBF fitted into it.

Oh dear, should have read the ad properly,that's a big cc for a 6 pot ,you don't think it could be a mistake on the sellers part,

It says long tube headers in plural and very unusual to go to that much trouble spec wise on a 6 cylinder, did think it was unusually

large engine for a Falcon ,most having a stroked 302 at most,Shame there's no photo of engine compartment.

tempted to contact him just to find out but i don't won't to be that sad person, Thinking about it perhaps i all ready am.

The Falcon used a 223ci I6 from memory, but 4100cc equates to about 250ci, which was the same size I6 fitted to the 3rd gen Mustangs around 1970, so could be a late Mustang version?
As you say, ad isn't very good, combined with lack of pictures always makes me wonder if these people really want to sell these cars...!!

Yes I saw the Falcon last night, nice looking body shape and proportions for its size, shame about the six though, if I really wanted a six I'd go with the Corvair...!

A few more yanks popping up on ebay over the last week or so, they seem to be coming out of the woodwork now that Spring has sprung -

'71 Firebird.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1971-Pontiac-Firebird-F...

'69 'vette.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Corvette-Stingray-1969-...

'72 'vette.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEVROLET-CORVETTE-STIN...X8AAOSwKyxffJij

I'm finding this '68 T-Bird strangely alluring but it's too big anyway.... would look better with a contrasting roof colour.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Thunderbird-1968-s...

[aeropilot]

Red on red '69 'vette looks a good project, leather seats as well.

The Gold big-block though, does look nicer, apart from the hideous aftermarket hood and steering wheel. I hate black interior, so that's always a no-no from me, and its 10k more than the red '69.

But even that red 69 is 25k, and you'd get a better car shipped in from the USA for the same money (or less) than buying a car thats been in the UK for decades.

For example, this '71 for sale at Mershons..... $30k is £21k, so even shipping and tax brings it to the price of that rough red one.

https://www.mershons.com/vehicle-details/1971-chev...

[rat rod]

newsatten said:

The Falcon Add says reworked cylinder head....................... a in line six for sure.....................

funny looking car from the front, looks almost eastern European .....................

Wartburg or Trabant perhaps, funny have never liked the pre 64 Falcons but seeing the one on Gas Monkeys Pikes Peak Hill climb

and Jay Leno's video's where he's bought a 63 original Sprint they 've ground on me a little.

The power of TV and internet.

Now Vauxhall Cresta's ,back to memory lane again , remember bashing my knee getting in and out

of my Dads PA Cresta ,he also had a 57 and a 55 , before he bought a 55 Fairlane Coupe while on holiday in Jersey.

I bought a 56 Fairlane post coupe and couldn't wait to show him thinking he may get excited but i had to almost force

him out the house and all he could say was i can't believe i bought a car like that, not in a good way,

Hows the knee ,did the clip come off yesterday,

Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 7th April 17:06

[CharliesTTS]

aeropilot said:

Red on red '69 'vette looks a good project, leather seats as well.

The Gold big-block though, does look nicer, apart from the hideous aftermarket hood and steering wheel. I hate black interior, so that's always a no-no from me, and its 10k more than the red '69.

But even that red 69 is 25k, and you'd get a better car shipped in from the USA for the same money (or less) than buying a car thats been in the UK for decades.

For example, this '71 for sale at Mershons..... $30k is £21k, so even shipping and tax brings it to the price of that rough red one.

https://www.mershons.com/vehicle-details/1971-chev...

That’s stunning to my eye!

[HJG]

P5BNij said:

Yes I saw the Falcon last night, nice looking body shape and proportions for its size, shame about the six though, if I really wanted a six I'd go with the Corvair...!

A few more yanks popping up on ebay over the last week or so, they seem to be coming out of the woodwork now that Spring has sprung -

'71 Firebird.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1971-Pontiac-Firebird-F...

'69 'vette.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Corvette-Stingray-1969-...

'72 'vette.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEVROLET-CORVETTE-STIN...X8AAOSwKyxffJij

I'm finding this '68 T-Bird strangely alluring but it's too big anyway.... would look better with a contrasting roof colour.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Thunderbird-1968-s...

That '69 C3 is one of the worst car ads I've seen for a Corvette. Useless photos, nothing about the engine or gearbox. Nothing about the infamous cage corrosion issues.

The big block '72 car has been for sale for around a year now.

I picked up a '69 427 manual Vette for 27K last year. I don't think they go much lower than that for that year/engine combination.

[rat rod]

P5BNij said:

Yes I saw the Falcon last night, nice looking body shape and proportions for its size, shame about the six though, if I really wanted a six I'd go with the Corvair...!

A few more yanks popping up on ebay over the last week or so, they seem to be coming out of the woodwork now that Spring has sprung -

'71 Firebird.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1971-Pontiac-Firebird-F...

'69 'vette.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Corvette-Stingray-1969-...

'72 'vette.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEVROLET-CORVETTE-STIN...X8AAOSwKyxffJij

I'm finding this '68 T-Bird strangely alluring but it's too big anyway.... would look better with a contrasting roof colour.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Thunderbird-1968-s...

Not a lover of the T/bird ,In my head that's when it all went wrong,

Don't think it would be that easy to sell either.

The black Firebird would look a bit scary coming up behind you,

needs some serious looking wheels to go with the moody look

the ones on it are to glitzy , but all things you can do to personalise to your taste

Agree with aeropilot about looking at the States as a alternative ,more choice ,model /colour

just need big balls if not going out there. I've never none it but know plenty who have.

[rat rod]

aeropilot said:

4100cc could be a miss-print of 4700cc which is close to being a 289ci V8...?

Who's going to phone him ?

[rat rod]

roscobbc said:

I had a early Falcon with the 170 cu in engine (not the same as UK Ford) I didn't even drive it - 'orrible thing with that engine. Few year later bought 'er indoors a '69 Mustang rag-top with the same engine and a 3 speed manual gearbox - we never drove that either - 'orrible also. The larger cube FoMoCo engines are seemingly quite good and potentially very tunable - Aussie's do a number of aftermarket things like ally cylinder heads.
Interesting looking Falcon - wonder what the engine actually is? AOD overdrive transmission? - upgrades to brakes too (power discs')

Edited by roscobbc on Wednesday 7th April 12:56

Edited by roscobbc on Wednesday 7th April 13:06

Wouldn't have started this if i had read the ad properly, but with all those upgrades including the power rack & pinion steering

can't help feeling it could be a error, unless it had a high output V8 in the States and swapped it for the 6 pot prior to selling it

to the UK, can't get my head round why so many upgrades just for a 6, With all the work waiting for me i can't believe i'm on here

debating a car that i'm not going to buy.

Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 7th April 16:59

[roscobbc]

Landbeast cars - only about 4 or 5 miles from me - don't really know anything about them. The cobra kit car sellers, Hallmark Cars I believe used to be in these premises (and moved to Stapleford Airfield) I have seen the carb up for sale with these people for a while now. Car has an aftermarket intake manifold. All aftermarket inlet manifolds (except Edelbrock Torker 11) require a taller hood - hence the L88 style hood. Most Vette owner are happy with this - I have one on mine too. Rear light lens's are aftermarket 'bubble' items. Unusually it also seems to have stock exhaust manifolds......

[roscobbc]

rat rod said:

P5BNij said:

Yes I saw the Falcon last night, nice looking body shape and proportions for its size, shame about the six though, if I really wanted a six I'd go with the Corvair...!

A few more yanks popping up on ebay over the last week or so, they seem to be coming out of the woodwork now that Spring has sprung -

'71 Firebird.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1971-Pontiac-Firebird-F...

'69 'vette.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Corvette-Stingray-1969-...

'72 'vette.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEVROLET-CORVETTE-STIN...X8AAOSwKyxffJij

I'm finding this '68 T-Bird strangely alluring but it's too big anyway.... would look better with a contrasting roof colour.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Thunderbird-1968-s...

Not a lover of the T/bird ,In my head that's when it all went wrong,
Don't think it would be that easy to sell either.

I'm with RR on this one - pug-ugly car, yet has an interior to die for - much like the earlier '58 - '61 TBirds, great interiors 'questionable' exteriors.

[rat rod]

CAPP0 said:

Related to the thread title, I’m having a small paddy this afternoon!

Just over a year ago I saw a 67 El Camino on a private ad on Car & Classic. I deliberated for too long and by the time I called about it, it was sold. £12k.

About two months later it appeared on eBay for (I think) £16k. Grrr.

Fast forward to today. I have an eBay saved search set up for Elks, and I get an email. There it is, I’m almost certain it’s the same car. Today’s price: £24,995.



I now have somewhere to store and work on things like this so I’m not going to hang about when (if!!) another bargain spot pops up.

The car sorry pick up is only down the road from me, it seems to have changed hands a lot recently all

earning a few bob out of it along the way, A mate of mine owned it for around 6 months or so ,think it was considerably

cheaper when he had it. always nice to be first in the line of ownership.

Always remember what they ask isn't necessarily what they will get.

[roscobbc]

rat rod said:

roscobbc said:

I had a early Falcon with the 170 cu in engine (not the same as UK Ford) I didn't even drive it - 'orrible thing with that engine. Few year later bought 'er indoors a '69 Mustang rag-top with the same engine and a 3 speed manual gearbox - we never drove that either - 'orrible also. The larger cube FoMoCo engines are seemingly quite good and potentially very tunable - Aussie's do a number of aftermarket things like ally cylinder heads.
Interesting looking Falcon - wonder what the engine actually is? AOD overdrive transmission? - upgrades to brakes too (power discs')

Edited by roscobbc on Wednesday 7th April 12:56

Edited by roscobbc on Wednesday 7th April 13:06

Wouldn't have started this if i had read the ad properly, but with all that upgrades including the power rack & pinion steering

can't help feeling it could be a error, unless it had a high output V8 and swapped it for the 6 pot prior to selling it

to the UK, can't get my head round why so upgrades just for a 6, With all the work waiting for me i can't believe i'm on here

debating a car that i'm not going to buy.

First V8 engine used in the Falcon was the 260 cu in (4.2 litre) there was an even smaller V8 that Ford planned using but proved too underpowered - 221 ci in (same size as earlier Flathead) 6 banger Falcon's like Mustangs as stock had drum brakes and 4 stud 13" wheels, so significant suspension changes......

[aeropilot]

rat rod said:

With all the work waiting for me i can't believe i'm on here

debating a car that i'm not going to buy.

[newsatten]

The joys of window shopping ! lol....................... yeah had my clips/staples removed yesterday, all 26 of them! bit disappointing really as it hasn't made any real difference to my pain
but im crutch free now so i guess its going ok, Theres a Black Charger on E Bay, think its 45K, got a White Butt Stripe, saw that car about 4 years back, quality car with some very nice and pricey upgrades, the Dakota Digital Dash is probably 1500 quid alone !
Makes the other Chargers for sale look well over priced, Talking of Mopars , just watched Happy Gilmore, he drives a ratty Salmon coloured Plymouth Duster, soooooo cool,

[rat rod]

roscobbc said:

First V8 engine used in the Falcon was the 260 cu in (4.2 litre) there was an even smaller V8 that Ford planned using but proved too underpowered - 221 ci in (same size as earlier Flathead) 6 banger Falcon's like Mustangs as stock had drum brakes and 4 stud 13" wheels, so significant suspension changes......

I think we forgot the standard Falcon was a entry level car, sort of American version of our base model Cortina i suppose.

A commercial traveller's (rep) company car back then. Very agricultural mechanics unless modified.

[CAPP0]

rat rod said:

CAPP0 said:

Related to the thread title, I’m having a small paddy this afternoon!

Just over a year ago I saw a 67 El Camino on a private ad on Car & Classic. I deliberated for too long and by the time I called about it, it was sold. £12k.

About two months later it appeared on eBay for (I think) £16k. Grrr.

Fast forward to today. I have an eBay saved search set up for Elks, and I get an email. There it is, I’m almost certain it’s the same car. Today’s price: £24,995.



I now have somewhere to store and work on things like this so I’m not going to hang about when (if!!) another bargain spot pops up.

The car sorry pick up is only down the road from me, it seems to have changed hands a lot recently all

earning a few bob out of it along the way, A mate of mine owned it for around 6 months or so ,think it was considerably

cheaper when he had it. always nice to be first in the line of ownership.

Always remember what they ask isn't necessarily what they will get.

The pale yellow one? I think when I originally saw it 12+ months ago, it was for sale near Guildford, then ended up Surrey/possibly Hants way.

It looks to be nicely done but in my head it's definitely not a £25k car.

I saw another one not so long ago, slightly later, '71 I think, that was very good value at £14k before the haggling but was also bought and flipped for a decent amount.

[aeropilot]

newsatten said:

Theres a Black Charger on E Bay, think its 45K, got a White Butt Stripe, saw that car about 4 years back, quality car with some very nice and pricey upgrades, the Dakota Digital Dash is probably 1500 quid alone !
Makes the other Chargers for sale look well over priced

Yes, that's a nice one, and keenly priced.....compared to some of the stuff up for sale. Can't imagine he'll have much trouble selling that, and at that price.

[roscobbc]

rat rod said:

roscobbc said:

First V8 engine used in the Falcon was the 260 cu in (4.2 litre) there was an even smaller V8 that Ford planned using but proved too underpowered - 221 ci in (same size as earlier Flathead) 6 banger Falcon's like Mustangs as stock had drum brakes and 4 stud 13" wheels, so significant suspension changes......

I think we forgot the standard Falcon was a entry level car, sort of American version of our base model Cortina i suppose.

A commercial traveller's (rep) company car back then. Very agricultural mechanics unless modified.

Exactly - a bit like the company rep choosing his Mark 3, 4, or 5 Cortina and selecting the 1300cc version.......

[rat rod]

Just about to watch Hoovies Garage, looks like he's just fallen over a C2 coupe barn find,

Now why doesn't that happen to us .