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rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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newsatten said:
laugh

Cheers for the input guys! , yeah getting in the thing is the major issue, as my garage is so tight for room i cant open the drivers door to far, so dont think as yet me leg will bend enough lol..................
plus i left foot in a Auto , always have, i'l give it another week then give it a go,

Hey RR have you considered asking TA man if he fancys a deal on the Lambo? which ever which way i guess getting it running is pretty important laugh

Hopefully were on the cusp of some kind of normality now , getting it sorted should'nt be a major drama but i guess due to its nature probably not cheap either !

AS for the Black SS, looks pretty much on the money i'd have thought, almost impossible to reproduce at the money even if one does it ones self,
as stated that be around long,
Don't think the T/A man is interested in a trade in,he's got over 25 cars and said he was looking to down size his fleet,

Have you noticed that people with large collections which they may have spent their whole life accumulating suddenly deciding

that there's no point in having so many, one headache x 25 or even 50 problems add insurance ,mot's, well that's just how i'm beginning to

feel. The Gallardo has covered less than a 100 miles in 3 years and the other car that is now blocked in has done less than 150 miles in


almost 2 years and that was taking it for a service at a main dealer( had to be serviced by them for the warranty to be valid) near Heathrow

and a mot test.

.Think not knowing what the problem is and being totally in their hands when i'm mechanically minded doesn't help , The unknown, If it's

something small which i know it won't be but say £100 fix and they charge me £500 ,havn't got a problem with that as you pay for their

knowledge but equally could be £5K + , the last invoice was £750 so got away lightly but the previous one was £4,800 hence me having a

warranty with the next one,

What do they say Champagne tastes with beer money Wonder if they still take Green Shield stamps or a very cute Fiat 500 in payment.








Edited by rat rod on Friday 9th April 19:00

P5BNij

15,875 posts

106 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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I seriously fancy this C1....

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEVROLET-CORVETTE-1962...

Good job I'm well short of the £50k asking price!


newsatten

3,329 posts

114 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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I suppose its a situation we all think we'd love to be in? but theres very little we do that dont have sides, when everything is ticking along all tickerty booh
its great, then a problem arises and suddenly its not quite so great laugh

The Mini sale falling through is typical , just when you think your done Boosh ,back to square one ! ffs...............................

I guess its a no choice situation now really, recovery to the specialist, and i suppose the ever increasing values of these cars, at least helps cover some of the running cost, so i does take the sting out of high repair bills,

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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P5BNij said:
I seriously fancy this C1....

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEVROLET-CORVETTE-1962...

Good job I'm well short of the £50k asking price!
Looks a nice car but for what ever reason he's had it for sale for a while, Love the C1 but prefer the 57/60 rear end,

this ones got a similar rear to the C2 ,never having owned or driven one i've been told that they look better than they drive drive ,

not as well as a C2 does but they are a older design, They look like a mobile jukebox to me.
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aeropilot

34,634 posts

227 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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P5BNij said:
I seriously fancy this C1....

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEVROLET-CORVETTE-1962...

Good job I'm well short of the £50k asking price!
Apart from the transmission, that is almost identical to the C1 a friend of mine owns, but the one she has is a Powerglide auto.

I do like C1's, although the steering wheel in your chest driving position is not for everyone.....and not for most people much over about 5'10"....!

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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aeropilot said:
There's a genuine documented, '69 COPO 9560 Camaro (that's the one with the all alloy ZL-1 Can Am big block) for sale in USA at the moment, out of a large collection, at a bargain price of a mere $935,000... smile
The yanks do love their own cars ,it's the only history they got besides rock and roll ,Oh maybe Red Indians which they don't seem

to like talking about, Stumbled across a couple of video's of one of the big American auction houses ,one had a C2 coupe

with very significant model code ,may have been LT1 but not sure , i'm sure you or rosco will know what model they are

a yellow car fetched just short 3 million and one was a red car that fetched

around the same ,still got to add the buyers commission to that it's well .

Remember thinking the yellow car didn't look that different to the one in Silverstone auction a few weeks ago for £46K with commission.

Don't really get it as apart from the model index they look the same, A real GT40 or Cobra yes ,



Edited by rat rod on Friday 9th April 15:05

roscobbc

3,371 posts

242 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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aeropilot said:
P5BNij said:
I seriously fancy this C1....

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEVROLET-CORVETTE-1962...

Good job I'm well short of the £50k asking price!
Apart from the transmission, that is almost identical to the C1 a friend of mine owns, but the one she has is a Powerglide auto.

I do like C1's, although the steering wheel in your chest driving position is not for everyone.....and not for most people much over about 5'10"....!
C1's (and to a degree C2's) have a rather high, upright driving position - one sits 'on them' rather than 'down in them' like a C3. Driving position in a C3 is much lower and far more reclined than the earlier cars.

roscobbc

3,371 posts

242 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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rat rod said:
aeropilot said:
There's a genuine documented, '69 COPO 9560 Camaro (that's the one with the all alloy ZL-1 Can Am big block) for sale in USA at the moment, out of a large collection, at a bargain price of a mere $935,000... smile
The yanks do love their own cars ,it's the only history they got besides rock and roll ,Oh maybe Red Indians which they don't seem

to like talking about, Stumbled across a couple of video's of one of the big American auction houses ,one had a C2 coupe

with very significant model code ,may have been LT1 but not sure , i'm sure you or rosco will know what model they are

a yellow car fetched just short 3 million and one was a red car that fetched

around the same ,still got to add the buyers commission to that it's well .

Remember thinking the yellow car didn't look that different to the one in Silverstone auction a few weeks ago for £46K with commission.

Don't really get it as apart from the model index they look the same, A real GT40 or Cobra yes ,



Edited by rat rod on Friday 9th April 15:05
A C2 or C3 L88 is the holy grail for most early Vette lovers - there are specific options and other 'oddities' that are serious money - but the L88 is the one. Very few actually produced - and typically more around now than were ever manufactured. It was never really meant to be a daily driver with its seriously radical cam and typical power band from 3500 to 7000 rpm.

aeropilot

34,634 posts

227 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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Yep, IIRC, its was a Sunfire Yellow '67 L88 Corvette, as said, pretty much the holy grail for Corvette fans.
They only made 20 of them in '67.....(made more in C3 form the following, but not many more) and so teh C2 L88 is the pinicle of 'vette collecting.........if you have the cash of course.
The L88 was a beast, and there weren't an easy thing to own even back in 1967, with its 12.5:1 compression ratio big-block, that needed 103 octane Sunoco 260 fuel to run it on, which wasn't exactly readily available, even back in those days.

They were a genuine 500+hp engine though, which today is nothing, but 50+ years ago, was staggering. A couple of decades ago, an L88 owner than had his engine out (never restored or rebuilt, and low miles) bravely volunteering its being hooked up to an engine test cell on behalf of one of the muscle car mags run to prove what the real numbers were on a factory L88, and it was in excess of 500hp, although the exact figure now is lost in my memory. I've probably still got the mag somewhere in a box in the loft!!


roscobbc

3,371 posts

242 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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aeropilot said:
Yep, IIRC, its was a Sunfire Yellow '67 L88 Corvette, as said, pretty much the holy grail for Corvette fans.
They only made 20 of them in '67.....(made more in C3 form the following, but not many more) and so teh C2 L88 is the pinicle of 'vette collecting.........if you have the cash of course.
The L88 was a beast, and there weren't an easy thing to own even back in 1967, with its 12.5:1 compression ratio big-block, that needed 103 octane Sunoco 260 fuel to run it on, which wasn't exactly readily available, even back in those days.

They were a genuine 500+hp engine though, which today is nothing, but 50+ years ago, was staggering. A couple of decades ago, an L88 owner than had his engine out (never restored or rebuilt, and low miles) bravely volunteering its being hooked up to an engine test cell on behalf of one of the muscle car mags run to prove what the real numbers were on a factory L88, and it was in excess of 500hp, although the exact figure now is lost in my memory. I've probably still got the mag somewhere in a box in the loft!!
Seem to recall that figure was 540 hp or thereabouts - there have been other historical dyno tests that typically ranged (as I recall) from low 500's to upper 500's. I guess an L88 with stock cast headers and mufflers will be at the lower end of that figure - and a 'blueprinted' and race prepared engine with headers on race fuel in the high 500's. Side pipes, even 'open' side pipes actually lose some power..... When I had the engine built for my Vette the initial aim was for HP to be on a par with an L88 engine but in a far more fuel efficient street and 'user friendly' package with power developed at 1000/1500 rpm lower. At 571 hp and 606 ft/lbs I managed to achieve that and (amazingly) fractionally improved fuel economy............all done with stock driveline components.....

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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Thank you for the Corvette history lessen gentlemen, Good thing about these forums you live and learn something every day teacher

I don't profess to know everything about any one individual make, instead knowing a little about most of them having such a eclectic taste.

See if i can find those video's again, i think it was Mecum Auction but not sure,could be a long search.



aeropilot

34,634 posts

227 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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rat rod said:
i think it was Mecum Auction but not sure
It was Mecum.

It was the only '67 L88 built in Sunfire Yellow, and came out of the personal collection of Corvette Mike, a well known and long established Corvette specialist dealer.


rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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Found the video's ,Well that was a education ,followed them with more interest this time. apologies got the figures wrong previously,

The yellow L88 sold this year at Mecum in Glendale for $2,450,000 not including commission and the red car sold in 2014

at Barrett& Jackson in Scottsdale for $3,500,000 also not including commission , They kept on saying one of one with the red car but did describe it as a L88,

newsatten

3,329 posts

114 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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Cheers Guys some interesting stuff there .......................................

And thats one of the reasons American Muscle is so popular, Loads of Great looking cars, the noise, the Theater of the things, and like RR said, as far as the yanks go its History no doubt!

In its way a Genuine L88 Vette is about as rare as a Genuine GT40 , give or take .................................................
And while all these cars share a silhouette , thats were it ends, yeah Joe public may not be in the know , but words like COPO, Cammer/Hemi etc are the touch paper to skyhigh prices, and no there's no sign of it changing anytime soon laugh

P5BNij

15,875 posts

106 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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L88 and ZL1 'Vettes at Roger's Corvette Center, a fair bit of waffling but worth a shuftie....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5vO-glvX1c


(also some good news, my Mini is now definitely sold, young lad round the corner bought it today, money will be in my account tomorrow...... onwards!)


aeropilot

34,634 posts

227 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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The 409 is my favourite Chevy V8...... would have love to have been able to put one in the '32, but they are now very expensive to rebuild even when you can actually find one.

She's so fine, my four-oh-nine...... biggrin


CAPP0

19,592 posts

203 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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Slightly different tack to what's been discussed recently, but I'm looking to dabble in a Yank or two that I can buy, do a little bit of work on and then enjoy for a bit, but they'll need to be sold again afterwards. With that in mind, what's the view on a late '60s Buick Riviera - desirable or not?

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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newsatten said:
I suppose its a situation we all think we'd love to be in? but theres very little we do that dont have sides, when everything is ticking along all tickerty booh
its great, then a problem arises and suddenly its not quite so great laugh

The Mini sale falling through is typical , just when you think your done Boosh ,back to square one ! ffs...............................

I guess its a no choice situation now really, recovery to the specialist, and i suppose the ever increasing values of these cars, at least helps cover some of the running cost, so i does take the sting out of high repair bills,
You make some good points, after spending £4,800 within weeks of buying the Gallardo my nipper some how put 3,500 miles on it the first year

just going to car shows at weekends so as you say ok when things are tickerty booh , big grins when the V10 goes into the red line. yikes

Probably only drove it regularly 2 out of the 5 years we've owned it so this problem could be self inflicted.

Unfortunately the market on these sort of cars have gone the opposite way to the classic car market being neither modern or classic ,

Looking at the market today i will blow somewhere between £20K/£25K grumpy on what the car owes me plus whatever the bill will be hence

my reluctance scratchchin to take it to the specialist because i'm not going to get that back and will be added to the already high loss but it's

no good to me as a ornament so have no choice, Should have stuck to what i know ,the classic stuff whether Italian or yank.

We spent £3K a week before my nippers Skyline was sold but it had almost doubled in value so it soaked the bill up and we

had peace of mind that it was ok for the guy who bought it, Win some loose some i suppose.




rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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P5BNij said:
L88 and ZL1 'Vettes at Roger's Corvette Center, a fair bit of waffling but worth a shuftie....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5vO-glvX1c


(also some good news, my Mini is now definitely sold, young lad round the corner bought it today, money will be in my account tomorrow...... onwards!)
Well done, as i said you will be dangerous now with that shopping list, type

Looking forward to seeing your new toy. thumbup

rat rod

4,997 posts

65 months

Friday 9th April 2021
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CAPP0 said:
Slightly different tack to what's been discussed recently, but I'm looking to dabble in a Yank or two that I can buy, do a little bit of work on and then enjoy for a bit, but they'll need to be sold again afterwards. With that in mind, what's the view on a late '60s Buick Riviera - desirable or not?
Lovely cars ,quite understated more Facel Vega than yank. I would love another one,

mine was a 63 with Arizona sun bleached paintwork ,way before the satin paint came into fashion.

There's a white one in Warwickshire that's been bumped today on C&C , It's been for sale for along time

don't know why as there's not many about, may be a good time to have a cheeky bid.thumbup