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P5BNij said:
There's another Charger on ebay at the moment at £85k, it's getting bonkers. Came across this one this morning, a '68 that's been stashed away for thirty years and it's not a black 'Bullitt' one or a General Lee replica for a change, just a nice 'cooking' Charger in period trim....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZEVdgpVsVc
I admit the '71s onwards are definitely marmite cars but I like the odd styling....
I know four doors are thought of as two doors too many but if I had the space I'd consider giving this '70 Polara a home, I like the full on triple green combo and a different set of wheels would set it off nicely, don't think I've ever seen one in the flesh but I'd imagine they're quite imposing, to use another old cliche it's a lot of car for the money.... I await a barrage of well aimed p*ss taking for this odd choice when I really should be looking at suitably smaller yanks....!
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1290535
The period ads makes them look pretty inviting....
Every car guys dream, happened quite regularly only 20/30 years ago but rare these dayshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZEVdgpVsVc
I admit the '71s onwards are definitely marmite cars but I like the odd styling....
I know four doors are thought of as two doors too many but if I had the space I'd consider giving this '70 Polara a home, I like the full on triple green combo and a different set of wheels would set it off nicely, don't think I've ever seen one in the flesh but I'd imagine they're quite imposing, to use another old cliche it's a lot of car for the money.... I await a barrage of well aimed p*ss taking for this odd choice when I really should be looking at suitably smaller yanks....!
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1290535
The period ads makes them look pretty inviting....
unless blessed with some luck.
Ironically thats how i came to look at the Black 68' , the guy had just brought it and was selling his later 72' ish Charger, Mid blue Metallic car,
Which was priced keenly so i shot up the M2 to have a gander, the later car well just looked Fat! huge great pimp mobile split bench front seat, opera type rear sail panel openings, half vinyl roof, drove ok but pretty horrible really,
The guy was keen to show off this new purchase so i was happy to oblige , very nice car, huge but nice, the 68-70 Chargers are pretty much timeless,
When ones considers a ball park price to restore a Charger now is circa 40K this car looks huge value for money, but as with all things needs seeing in the flesh
RR did mention my wife taking me out in the Dodge, err yeah thats not happening
i'l just have to show some patience lol, bummer the Ranges are now open, my boys were on serial 10 Hythe on Friday and Greenfields Canterbury clay shooting this morning FFs, P5BNij said:
I admit the '71s onwards are definitely marmite cars but I like the odd styling....
I'd rather have a 66-67 era Dodge Coronet or Plymouth Belvedere than a '71 Charger. Earlier cars are more UK garage friendly as well.But, I just prefer the earlier years of pre '66/67 US cars than the very late 60's and early 70's....with a handful of exceptions.
P5BNij said:
Picture the scene.... all of us old codgers driving our chic magnet yanks around with no chics anywhere...... oh dear!
At my age sounds perfect to me, You younger guys could always get a take away delivered to your door.
Maybe something a little spicy full of eastern promise.
aeropilot said:
I'd rather have a 66-67 era Dodge Coronet or Plymouth Belvedere than a '71 Charger. Earlier cars are more UK garage friendly as well.
But, I just prefer the earlier years of pre '66/67 US cars than the very late 60's and early 70's....with a handful of exceptions.
Yeah totally agree , but not in the case of the early Charger, the 1st Gen is a strange looking machine, far to much back end ! lol..................But, I just prefer the earlier years of pre '66/67 US cars than the very late 60's and early 70's....with a handful of exceptions.
P5BNij said:
The period ads makes them look pretty inviting....
More often than not the reality of an image or distant memory of a vehicle just doesn't 'match-up' in any way to that 'minds eye view' you have implanted in your brain. I remember the very first American type of car I ever went in. It was a early 50's Ford V8 Pilot. I was probably 4 or 5 years old. The year? 1955/6. My parents first house was 'out in the sticks' and I had gone with my mother by train to the solicitors in Romford to sort some family business. The solictor gave us a 'lift' to the station in what was then probably a two or three year old V8 Pilot. To me then after only ever travelling in my grandfathers pre WW2 Ford 8, his neighbours Austin A40 Somerset or my paternal grandfathers Ford Pop (my parents, like most familiers couldn't afford a car) I was 'sold' on this Ford Pilot - totally silent, smooth, luxurious, probably much like the later equivalent of travelling in a Rolls Royce or Bentley. Roll forward (excuse the pun!) 15 years or so later and I went to see a Pilot for sale, in good condition and running well......it wasn't smooth like I remembered.....it wasn't quiet like I remembered.......it didn't have that 'luxury' I remembered.......it was horrible. Roll forward a couple more years and a buddy pulls up outside my house in a 'borrowed' '63 Thunderbird ragtop and takes me out for a drive. This car was probably 8, maybe 10 years old. This was the first American car I had been in and it made such a big impression in me - that futuristic styling, the ribbed ally dashboard that seemed to flow seemlessly in the the centre console and back around the rear seats, the swing-away steering for 'easing' the corporate American stomach getting in the drivers seat. The passenger 'experience' of seemingly floating on air as it drive silently along the road......it was fantastic!. Roll forward a further 40 years and after owning many cars, both UK and American (not a TBird though) and my laddo buys himself a '62 TBird coupe. As nice as the car was, my much earlier perception of it is now very different......that 'smooth driving on air, silent wafting along feeling' isn't there now and seems much like driving any other 'older' car (my Vette included) where you now 'feel' and 'hear' all those lumps and bumps on the road surface - it isn't smooth anymore either.
The point I'm getting to is that in 90% of all cases that perhaps historic 'minds eye' visualisation of driving your 'perfect' car never really materialises - 90% of the time it is a disapointment. 10% of the time you might hit it lucky - the car perhaps has been kept in ideal conditions, perfect temperatures, humility etc and against all odds it drives perfectly and much as it did when new...........the automotive 'holy grail' might be just as elusive as the real holy grail (if either actually exists........)
newsatten said:
aeropilot said:
I'd rather have a 66-67 era Dodge Coronet or Plymouth Belvedere than a '71 Charger. Earlier cars are more UK garage friendly as well.
But, I just prefer the earlier years of pre '66/67 US cars than the very late 60's and early 70's....with a handful of exceptions.
Yeah totally agree , but not in the case of the early Charger, the 1st Gen is a strange looking machine, far to much back end ! lol..................But, I just prefer the earlier years of pre '66/67 US cars than the very late 60's and early 70's....with a handful of exceptions.
newsatten said:
aeropilot said:
I'd rather have a 66-67 era Dodge Coronet or Plymouth Belvedere than a '71 Charger. Earlier cars are more UK garage friendly as well.
But, I just prefer the earlier years of pre '66/67 US cars than the very late 60's and early 70's....with a handful of exceptions.
Yeah totally agree , but not in the case of the early Charger, the 1st Gen is a strange looking machine, far to much back end ! lol..................But, I just prefer the earlier years of pre '66/67 US cars than the very late 60's and early 70's....with a handful of exceptions.
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newsatten said:
Ironically thats how i came to look at the Black 68' , the guy had just brought it and was selling his later 72' ish Charger, Mid blue Metallic car,
Which was priced keenly so i shot up the M2 to have a gander, the later car well just looked Fat! huge great pimp mobile split bench front seat, opera type rear sail panel openings, half vinyl roof, drove ok but pretty horrible really,
The guy was keen to show off this new purchase so i was happy to oblige , very nice car, huge but nice, the 68-70 Chargers are pretty much timeless,
When ones considers a ball park price to restore a Charger now is circa 40K this car looks huge value for money, but as with all things needs seeing in the flesh
RR did mention my wife taking me out in the Dodge, err yeah thats not happening
i'l just have to show some patience lol, bummer the Ranges are now open, my boys were on serial 10 Hythe on Friday and Greenfields Canterbury clay shooting this morning FFs, all the heartache of a restoration.
even if someone else is doing it, and still cheaper than a tired Mustang.
rat rod said:
newsatten said:
aeropilot said:
I'd rather have a 66-67 era Dodge Coronet or Plymouth Belvedere than a '71 Charger. Earlier cars are more UK garage friendly as well.
But, I just prefer the earlier years of pre '66/67 US cars than the very late 60's and early 70's....with a handful of exceptions.
Yeah totally agree , but not in the case of the early Charger, the 1st Gen is a strange looking machine, far to much back end ! lol..................But, I just prefer the earlier years of pre '66/67 US cars than the very late 60's and early 70's....with a handful of exceptions.
roscobbc said:
P5BNij said:
The period ads makes them look pretty inviting....
More often than not the reality of an image or distant memory of a vehicle just doesn't 'match-up' in any way to that 'minds eye view' you have implanted in your brain. I remember the very first American type of car I ever went in. It was a early 50's Ford V8 Pilot. I was probably 4 or 5 years old. The year? 1955/6. My parents first house was 'out in the sticks' and I had gone with my mother by train to the solicitors in Romford to sort some family business. The solictor gave us a 'lift' to the station in what was then probably a two or three year old V8 Pilot. To me then after only ever travelling in my grandfathers pre WW2 Ford 8, his neighbours Austin A40 Somerset or my paternal grandfathers Ford Pop (my parents, like most familiers couldn't afford a car) I was 'sold' on this Ford Pilot - totally silent, smooth, luxurious, probably much like the later equivalent of travelling in a Rolls Royce or Bentley. Roll forward (excuse the pun!) 15 years or so later and I went to see a Pilot for sale, in good condition and running well......it wasn't smooth like I remembered.....it wasn't quiet like I remembered.......it didn't have that 'luxury' I remembered.......it was horrible. Roll forward a couple more years and a buddy pulls up outside my house in a 'borrowed' '63 Thunderbird ragtop and takes me out for a drive. This car was probably 8, maybe 10 years old. This was the first American car I had been in and it made such a big impression in me - that futuristic styling, the ribbed ally dashboard that seemed to flow seemlessly in the the centre console and back around the rear seats, the swing-away steering for 'easing' the corporate American stomach getting in the drivers seat. The passenger 'experience' of seemingly floating on air as it drive silently along the road......it was fantastic!. Roll forward a further 40 years and after owning many cars, both UK and American (not a TBird though) and my laddo buys himself a '62 TBird coupe. As nice as the car was, my much earlier perception of it is now very different......that 'smooth driving on air, silent wafting along feeling' isn't there now and seems much like driving any other 'older' car (my Vette included) where you now 'feel' and 'hear' all those lumps and bumps on the road surface - it isn't smooth anymore either.
The point I'm getting to is that in 90% of all cases that perhaps historic 'minds eye' visualisation of driving your 'perfect' car never really materialises - 90% of the time it is a disapointment. 10% of the time you might hit it lucky - the car perhaps has been kept in ideal conditions, perfect temperatures, humility etc and against all odds it drives perfectly and much as it did when new...........the automotive 'holy grail' might be just as elusive as the real holy grail (if either actually exists........)
wheel and the split windscreen and all that wood, the bonnet for a 8/9 year old seemed like a aircraft carrier landing strip,
Around 10 years ago i bought a 51 6/80 in black thinking it would drive the same as i'd remembered all those years ago
smooth, quiet even fast, as you say it was none of them but still drove ok,
definitely a trip down memory lane for me, unfortunately my dad had Alzheimer's and couldn't remember what it was let alone
that he had owned several of them. like the Fairlane totally wasted on him .I managed to drive it into the back of a disabled driver after
she decided to do a emergency stop for no reason after pulling away from a roundabout,
Grille ,spot lights, overriders and front tray and bumber were damaged , Repaired it myself using various parts from the internet
and thought it a good idea to turn it into a Police car, nice easy job ,front and rear Police sign on black and silver pressed steel
plates and a brand new bell still in it's box care of E-Bay, surprised how loud it was..
Should have bought some 50's police uniforms and gone the whole hog.
The villagers loved it when i went down the local store as they are even older than me,
aeropilot said:
Yep, I'm not a fan of the '66 Charger either.
Nor me , not sure why just never liked them, My dad bought a 67 Mustang in 1967 and we went down to Spain in it around 69 , parked it outside the cinema on the Torremolinos strip and when we came out there parked was a 66/67
Charger next to us, Only seeing a 68 Charger on Bullitt i didn't even know what it was,I had to look at the badges.
Even then i thought now cool it would be to have a chase around the coast road as with the suspended traffic lights the
twisty road and background resembled California. Should have known i was a lost cause then.
So so true the whole Beer Goggle thing, we see these fab looking cars, and were swept away, The American Dream
When i first started with the yanks, the cars we brought and used were 8-10 years old, some were tidy some were dogs, but almost all drove and felt ok on the road,
My first proper blast was in MIck's Ram Air Trans Am, 70' and a manual trans, this was around 76', so the car was 6 years old, perfect solid shell, the engine was fully uprated at Cosworths, with the current top spec items, he had replaced all the suspension bushes, steering joints, new tyres etc,
The thing drove solid and straight, and went like crazy, absolutely epic, i was blown away . Fast forward almost 40 years i had the chance to buy the same car from a guy in Essex, so i headed off to see what it looked like , having been past from one owner to the next, years of abuse , standing for years on grass, welded to death, engine and trans long since gone, still had a 400?? still had a 4 speed, both probably out of a later smog motored van!
Its was a complete sack of sh---, and drove completely sh---!
Age Kills cars................................................................................................. along with large numbers of rabid owners,abuse, and corrosion,
These cars have the Structural integrity of a Quaver, and a 700lb monster sitting on the nose, they cant afford to be comprised anywhere,
Its still my dream to own a Proper TA and ive thought continually about trying to sell my Dodge, and putting the cash ive saved into my bucket list car,
But i think back to Mick's old car, and how unbelievably disappointing it would be to loose the Dodge which drives and runs superbly well, and replace it with a turd costing 20K more !
My Challenger's had 4 Previous owners, done under 50,000 miles, and retains 95% of the parts it was made from, and its a joy to use, however even if it looked fab but drove crap i'd hate it and it would be on its way, these things are made to be driven, put a smile of ya face, and enjoy the American Dream!
rat rod said:
roscobbc said:
P5BNij said:
The period ads makes them look pretty inviting....
More often than not the reality of an image or distant memory of a vehicle just doesn't 'match-up' in any way to that 'minds eye view' you have implanted in your brain. I remember the very first American type of car I ever went in. It was a early 50's Ford V8 Pilot. I was probably 4 or 5 years old. The year? 1955/6. My parents first house was 'out in the sticks' and I had gone with my mother by train to the solicitors in Romford to sort some family business. The solictor gave us a 'lift' to the station in what was then probably a two or three year old V8 Pilot. To me then after only ever travelling in my grandfathers pre WW2 Ford 8, his neighbours Austin A40 Somerset or my paternal grandfathers Ford Pop (my parents, like most familiers couldn't afford a car) I was 'sold' on this Ford Pilot - totally silent, smooth, luxurious, probably much like the later equivalent of travelling in a Rolls Royce or Bentley. Roll forward (excuse the pun!) 15 years or so later and I went to see a Pilot for sale, in good condition and running well......it wasn't smooth like I remembered.....it wasn't quiet like I remembered.......it didn't have that 'luxury' I remembered.......it was horrible. Roll forward a couple more years and a buddy pulls up outside my house in a 'borrowed' '63 Thunderbird ragtop and takes me out for a drive. This car was probably 8, maybe 10 years old. This was the first American car I had been in and it made such a big impression in me - that futuristic styling, the ribbed ally dashboard that seemed to flow seemlessly in the the centre console and back around the rear seats, the swing-away steering for 'easing' the corporate American stomach getting in the drivers seat. The passenger 'experience' of seemingly floating on air as it drive silently along the road......it was fantastic!. Roll forward a further 40 years and after owning many cars, both UK and American (not a TBird though) and my laddo buys himself a '62 TBird coupe. As nice as the car was, my much earlier perception of it is now very different......that 'smooth driving on air, silent wafting along feeling' isn't there now and seems much like driving any other 'older' car (my Vette included) where you now 'feel' and 'hear' all those lumps and bumps on the road surface - it isn't smooth anymore either.
The point I'm getting to is that in 90% of all cases that perhaps historic 'minds eye' visualisation of driving your 'perfect' car never really materialises - 90% of the time it is a disapointment. 10% of the time you might hit it lucky - the car perhaps has been kept in ideal conditions, perfect temperatures, humility etc and against all odds it drives perfectly and much as it did when new...........the automotive 'holy grail' might be just as elusive as the real holy grail (if either actually exists........)
wheel and the split windscreen and all that wood, the bonnet for a 8/9 year old seemed like a aircraft carrier landing strip,
Around 10 years ago i bought a 51 6/80 in black thinking it would drive the same as i'd remembered all those years ago
smooth, quiet even fast, as you say it was none of them but still drove ok,
definitely a trip down memory lane for me, unfortunately my dad had Alzheimer's and couldn't remember what it was let alone
that he had owned several of them. like the Fairlane totally wasted on him .I managed to drive it into the back of a disabled driver after
she decided to do a emergency stop for no reason after pulling away from a roundabout,
Grille ,spot lights, overriders and front tray and bumber were damaged , Repaired it myself using various parts from the internet
and thought it a good idea to turn it into a Police car, nice easy job ,front and rear Police sign on black and silver pressed steel
plates and a brand new bell still in it's box care of E-Bay, surprised how loud it was..
Should have bought some 50's police uniforms and gone the whole hog.
The villagers loved it when i went down the local store as they are even older than me,
I bought one myslef a few years later - had plans to turn it in to a two door hot rod........wasn't very quick - always seemed to be thrashing the 4 speed column change around.....
newsatten said:
So so true the whole Beer Goggle thing, we see these fab looking cars, and were swept away, The American Dream
When i first started with the yanks, the cars we brought and used were 8-10 years old, some were tidy some were dogs, but almost all drove and felt ok on the road,
My first proper blast was in MIck's Ram Air Trans Am, 70' and a manual trans, this was around 76', so the car was 6 years old, perfect solid shell, the engine was fully uprated at Cosworths, with the current top spec items, he had replaced all the suspension bushes, steering joints, new tyres etc,
The thing drove solid and straight, and went like crazy, absolutely epic, i was blown away . Fast forward almost 40 years i had the chance to buy the same car from a guy in Essex, so i headed off to see what it looked like , having been past from one owner to the next, years of abuse , standing for years on grass, welded to death, engine and trans long since gone, still had a 400?? still had a 4 speed, both probably out of a later smog motored van!
Its was a complete sack of sh---, and drove completely sh---!
Age Kills cars................................................................................................. along with large numbers of rabid owners,abuse, and corrosion,
These cars have the Structural integrity of a Quaver, and a 700lb monster sitting on the nose, they cant afford to be comprised anywhere,
Its still my dream to own a Proper TA and ive thought continually about trying to sell my Dodge, and putting the cash ive saved into my bucket list car,
But i think back to Mick's old car, and how unbelievably disappointing it would be to loose the Dodge which drives and runs superbly well, and replace it with a turd costing 20K more !
My Challenger's had 4 Previous owners, done under 50,000 miles, and retains 95% of the parts it was made from, and its a joy to use, however even if it looked fab but drove crap i'd hate it and it would be on its way, these things are made to be driven, put a smile of ya face, and enjoy the American Dream!
car to buy it and now it's long gone.
If finance permitting i try to hang on till i've got the new toy home and then advertise the one it's replacing
but not always possible, with that i also think you should hang on to the Challenger ,starting to look cheap at £50K
with the others at £80K and £155K.
Talking about ads just spent all afternoon writing a ad for the MK 2
maybe a good time to sell it with 3 major Goodwood events coming up.
and not looking forward to fitting the axle with this hernia.
Edited by rat rod on Sunday 11th April 18:03
newsatten said:
So so true the whole Beer Goggle thing, we see these fab looking cars, and were swept away, The American Dream
When i first started with the yanks, the cars we brought and used were 8-10 years old, some were tidy some were dogs, but almost all drove and felt ok on the road,
My first proper blast was in MIck's Ram Air Trans Am, 70' and a manual trans, this was around 76', so the car was 6 years old, perfect solid shell, the engine was fully uprated at Cosworths, with the current top spec items, he had replaced all the suspension bushes, steering joints, new tyres etc,
The thing drove solid and straight, and went like crazy, absolutely epic, i was blown away . Fast forward almost 40 years i had the chance to buy the same car from a guy in Essex, so i headed off to see what it looked like , having been past from one owner to the next, years of abuse , standing for years on grass, welded to death, engine and trans long since gone, still had a 400?? still had a 4 speed, both probably out of a later smog motored van!
Its was a complete sack of sh---, and drove completely sh---!
Age Kills cars................................................................................................. along with large numbers of rabid owners,abuse, and corrosion,
These cars have the Structural integrity of a Quaver, and a 700lb monster sitting on the nose, they cant afford to be comprised anywhere,
Its still my dream to own a Proper TA and ive thought continually about trying to sell my Dodge, and putting the cash ive saved into my bucket list car,
But i think back to Mick's old car, and how unbelievably disappointing it would be to loose the Dodge which drives and runs superbly well, and replace it with a turd costing 20K more !
My Challenger's had 4 Previous owners, done under 50,000 miles, and retains 95% of the parts it was made from, and its a joy to use, however even if it looked fab but drove crap i'd hate it and it would be on its way, these things are made to be driven, put a smile of ya face, and enjoy the American Dream!
Had the opportunity then to test drive a '73 Mach 1 with 351 CJ engine. It wasa totally different car - smooth, quite, taut suspension and handling, the very opposite of mine yet was only a year or two newer, had similar mileage....but soooo different.
I suppose the sort of bears out the 700 lb over the front wheels thing,the big block is so much heavier. pure dead wait !
sitting directly on your means of feed back!
Dont get me wrong not having a pop at BB's but the car whatever it is , is the sum of all its parts, and for me roads manners is absolutely paramount
And yes RR if one can raise the cash, buy first sell second, all day, but now everything is 35K plus it a lot of loose change to have hanging about !
To rich for a guy like myself, sad about me
And i know what Hernia's are all about, ive had both left and right! ffs................................ remember getting then both! first putting a decapitated XJ on the tilt and slide, and no 2 pushing my old mans 635 out of the paint booth! following an accident were he went through someones fence in the snow!
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