Why so high?

[newsatten]

Viewing the TA’s Friday Morning
It will be interesting if nothing else!
Pretty sure they will be to much work for me now but hey ho don’t suppose another Pair of Ram Air 400 M22’s will ever come up!
Out of the two the painted one would probably be a better bet, if it’s just mechanical and overhauling etc
Trouble is even this is hugely expensive nowadays!!

[LeighW]

roscobbc said:

A few seconds after 'lighting the touch paper'

Reminds me of this.

https://youtube.com/shorts/9iQSxa0lYp4?si=KsrerO42...

[LeighW]

newsatten said:

Viewing the TA’s Friday Morning
It will be interesting if nothing else!
Pretty sure they will be to much work for me now but hey ho don’t suppose another Pair of Ram Air 400 M22’s will ever come up!
Out of the two the painted one would probably be a better bet, if it’s just mechanical and overhauling etc
Trouble is even this is hugely expensive nowadays!!

Good luck, hope you find one worth buying!

[newsatten]

LeighW said:

newsatten said:

Viewing the TA’s Friday Morning
It will be interesting if nothing else!
Pretty sure they will be to much work for me now but hey ho don’t suppose another Pair of Ram Air 400 M22’s will ever come up!
Out of the two the painted one would probably be a better bet, if it’s just mechanical and overhauling etc
Trouble is even this is hugely expensive nowadays!!

Good luck, hope you find one worth buying!

Just being nosey really, or should I say curious!
Not quite ready funds wise but it’s all coming together,
Looking forward to the summer!!

[ratrod 2]

newsatten said:

Viewing the TA’s Friday Morning
It will be interesting if nothing else!
Pretty sure they will be to much work for me now but hey ho don’t suppose another Pair of Ram Air 400 M22’s will ever come up!
Out of the two the painted one would probably be a better bet, if it’s just mechanical and overhauling etc
Trouble is even this is hugely expensive nowadays!!

Didn't realise that 's what your viewing,

If they are the ones that have been stored for a number of years

you may get a good deal, What ever you buy will need some sort

of work so might as well be your ultimate muscle car . Good luck

[-Cappo-]

newsatten said:

I also looked into V8 ting the B’
About 20k !

Much much less if you can do it yourself? I put a 3.9i RV8 and an auto box into my Defender, bought a scrap Disco as a donor, and I reckon the whole exercise probably cost about £1500 - and then I sold the old running gear for about £900! Even if you budgeted in a refresh of the engine and box you'd still be way off £20k. Plus you know it'll fit - can't remember how old your B is but chances are the holes for the mounts are already there?

That said it was chuffin' hard work - the Defender is too tall for my garage so I did it on the drive, and I did every last nut & bolt myself. Took about a year on & off! Still got it now. Must have been 7 or 8 years ago I did it, can't deny it would be even harder work now!

[newsatten]

ratrod 2 said:

newsatten said:

Viewing the TA’s Friday Morning
It will be interesting if nothing else!
Pretty sure they will be to much work for me now but hey ho don’t suppose another Pair of Ram Air 400 M22’s will ever come up!
Out of the two the painted one would probably be a better bet, if it’s just mechanical and overhauling etc
Trouble is even this is hugely expensive nowadays!!

Didn't realise that 's what your viewing,

If they are the ones that have been stored for a number of years

you may get a good deal, What ever you buy will need some sort

of work so might as well be your ultimate muscle car . Good luck



Without doubt !
which is a blessing and curse,
10 years ago id have jumped but now , umm not sure,
Something turn key and something i can improve is really what i need, But got to go see, the unrestored one is my main interest , maybe i could be sorted/welded to make it useable , refresh the mechanics and just maybe a ratty but puka proper muscle car,

To be honest my heads been turned by another motor and this is my main focus,

[ratrod 2]

newsatten said:

Didn't realise that 's what your viewing,

If they are the ones that have been stored for a number of years

you may get a good deal, What ever you buy will need some sort

of work so might as well be your ultimate muscle car . Good luck



Without doubt !
which is a blessing and curse,
10 years ago id have jumped but now , umm not sure,
Something turn key and something i can improve is really what i need, But got to go see, the unrestored one is my main interest , maybe i could be sorted/welded to make it useable , refresh the mechanics and just maybe a ratty but puka proper muscle car,

To be honest my heads been turned by another motor and this is my main focus,

Well like most of us you've been doing this long enough to know what your doing ,

It's a difficult decision ,do you go with your heart and buy that special car knowing your taking on probably

spending what will seem endless hours,days and weekends turning it into that dream car because you know you can

or buy as you say a turn key lesser car that you can improve on while driving it , tough call to make ,

One of my best mates on his 9th nut and bolt restoration ,says it's his last one as he's 76,

When i visit him when he's mid way through one of his rebuilds i'm sometimes glad i don't have the skills to do the same.

He often has to come to my rescue even on the smaller jobs ,

[Harry Flashman]

newsatten said:

ratrod 2 said:

Keisler Engineering ,that's the company ,$4800 with gearbox,clutch,lightened flywheel plus bits and bobs,

Add freight ,import tax and vat plus labour to fit it so wasn't a cheap item even back in 2004 ,

Hate to thing what the cost would be today,



Getting on for 10k
I looked into it , very costly exercise now !
But obviously if the cars already a manual then maybe a bit cheaper ,

I also looked into V8 ting the B’
About 20k !

I V8ed my old B: it was pricey even in 2002, but it was a TVR 4.3 big valve lump with chassis work to lake it all non-lethal.

I miss this car. Only photo I could find. Face removed crudely as I've only become uglier over time...

[ratrod 2]

Harry Flashman said:

I V8ed my old B: it was pricey even in 2002, but it was a TVR 4.3 big valve lump with chassis work to lake it all non-lethal.

I miss this car. Only photo I could find. Face removed crudely as I've only become uglier over time...

Looks like we are not the only one's who owned B's before a life of yank tanks.

[ratrod 2]

aeropilot said:

Not sure who does offer 5-speed conversions these days to say, as Keisler Engineering went bankrupt 10 years ago.

I'm sure there must be some companies in USA that took up the conversion kit market after Keisler went bust.

Not surprised making these gearbox's that feel like there set in cement ,

and like a lot of us on here i've been bought up on stiff unfriendly gearboxes

having owned a number of pre-war cars.

[newsatten]

-Cappo- said:

newsatten said:

I also looked into V8 ting the B’
About 20k !

Much much less if you can do it yourself? I put a 3.9i RV8 and an auto box into my Defender, bought a scrap Disco as a donor, and I reckon the whole exercise probably cost about £1500 - and then I sold the old running gear for about £900! Even if you budgeted in a refresh of the engine and box you'd still be way off £20k. Plus you know it'll fit - can't remember how old your B is but chances are the holes for the mounts are already there?

That said it was chuffin' hard work - the Defender is too tall for my garage so I did it on the drive, and I did every last nut & bolt myself. Took about a year on & off! Still got it now. Must have been 7 or 8 years ago I did it, can't deny it would be even harder work now!

Beeline Cappo I’m well aware of the dramas !
Rebuilt a 78’ BGT many years ago and fitted a 3.9 and 5speed LT box etc,
It’s a lot smaller than a Defender!!
Sourced a MGC rear Axle the full Monty ,
Drove all over finding the parts, when I finally finished it my first wife who it was specifically for, hated it and moaned I should have fitted a slusher!!
Ces’t la vie lol

I’m too old now to contemplate that type of work without a decent 2 poster lift!
Soooo much easier with a lift ,,,,,

No it was only ever a mind project so to speak,
My wife loves it as it is, fun safe and slow!!
She’s go a point me thinks
Plus using it for work like I am it’s cost me 40 quid in fuel for a whole month,

[ratrod 2]

Oneball said:

Fingers crossed will be there in the Vette, got Silverstone at the begging of April too.

In other news engine is back in the Mercury, but need to take it out again to fix a leaking core plug.

What date are you at Silverstone Oneball, is it the 13/14th of April and are you racing the C3.

Would love to come up ,about as far as i want to go these days,

Edited by ratrod 2 on Wednesday 27th March 09:01

[aeropilot]

ratrod 2 said:

aeropilot said:

Not sure who does offer 5-speed conversions these days to say, as Keisler Engineering went bankrupt 10 years ago.

I'm sure there must be some companies in USA that took up the conversion kit market after Keisler went bust.

Not surprised making these gearbox's that feel like there set in cement ,

and like a lot of us on here i've been bought up on stiff unfriendly gearboxes

having owned a number of pre-war cars.

I think there was either something wrong with the install, shifter, or the box was faulty, as back in 2013/4 when I was C2 looking and spending a lot of time on the US Corvette forums, and just before Keisler went bust, most of the people that had a Doug Nash/Richmond box said that it was very similarin feel to using an old M21 box, whereas the newer Tremec's were much smoother and more modern feeling. The problem with using the TKO boxes was there size, and meant cutting the tunnel to fit.
Some people were having problems though, and had to remove and send back their gearboxes to Keisler. Obviously this is not an easy option, if this happens after shipping and fitting one in the UK..!!

From a quick trawl around t'interwebby, the new 5-speed conversions kits on offer are now using the new Tremec TKX gearbox, which is now much smaller in size to the old TKO boxes and don't require the tunnel to be cut or even the gearbox crossmember to be butchered which results in a much better install.
Fitting one of these new TKX boxes would have been a much nicer install in the '32 as well than the big ol TKO was......

[ratrod 2]

aeropilot said:

I think there was either something wrong with the install, shifter, or the box was faulty, as back in 2013/4 when I was C2 looking and spending a lot of time on the US Corvette forums, and just before Keisler went bust, most of the people that had a Doug Nash/Richmond box said that it was very similarin feel to using an old M21 box, whereas the newer Tremec's were much smoother and more modern feeling. The problem with using the TKO boxes was there size, and meant cutting the tunnel to fit.
Some people were having problems though, and had to remove and send back their gearboxes to Keisler. Obviously this is not an easy option, if this happens after shipping and fitting one in the UK..!!

From a quick trawl around t'interwebby, the new 5-speed conversions kits on offer are now using the new Tremec TKX gearbox, which is now much smaller in size to the old TKO boxes and don't require the tunnel to be cut or even the gearbox crossmember to be butchered which results in a much better install.
Fitting one of these new TKX boxes would have been a much nicer install in the '32 as well than the big ol TKO was......

To be honest aero i don't see the point in swapping the original Muncie 4 speed unless the car is regularly going on long trips

on motorways ,most classics are hardly used these days let alone see the M1 or any of the other motorways,

Did try to buy a Nassau blue C2 and that had a 5 speed ,not sure what make it was but more up to date than mine as it was fitted new under 2 years ago

and i could tell the seller was struggling with it but at least he had the foresight to retain the Muncie box as it was a matching numbers car.

If i had to buy a new box anyway i would go for a 5 speed but certainly wouldn't replace my 4 speed with one.

[newsatten]

ratrod 2 said:

To be honest aero i don't see the point in swapping the original Muncie 4 speed unless the car is regularly going on long trips

on motorways ,most classics are hardly used these days let alone see the M1 or any of the other motorways,

Did try to buy a Nassau blue C2 and that had a 5 speed ,not sure what make it was but more up to date than mine as it was fitted new under 2 years ago

and i could tell the seller was struggling with it but at least he had the foresight to retain the Muncie box as it was a matching numbers car.

If i had to buy a new box anyway i would go for a 5 speed but certainly wouldn't replace my 4 speed with one.

Yes I agree,
Theses thing hardly ever get used in real terms
Who goes on long distances drives in a muscle car ????
Answer no body !
And if one did surely it’s all part of the vibe,
70mph in a 50-60 year old vehicle feels like 140 in a modern!
Speed doesn’t do anything for me personally
But I absolutely love low down grunt , 30-70
Is where the fun is

[aeropilot]

ratrod 2 said:

To be honest aero i don't see the point in swapping the original Muncie 4 speed unless the car is regularly going on long trips

on motorways ,most classics are hardly used these days let alone see the M1 or any of the other motorways,

Did try to buy a Nassau blue C2 and that had a 5 speed ,not sure what make it was but more up to date than mine as it was fitted new under 2 years ago

and i could tell the seller was struggling with it but at least he had the foresight to retain the Muncie box as it was a matching numbers car.

If i had to buy a new box anyway i would go for a 5 speed but certainly wouldn't replace my 4 speed with one.

I agree, no sense in fitting a 5-speed in UK for the miles that most cars will do.

I can understand it in the USA, if you like doing road trips to car meets and weekends etc., a 1500 miles road trip will save a lot of gas if a 5-speed fitted, plus the lower wear and tear on the engine with reduced revs etc.

I bet most UK car won't even do 1500 per year, let alone per trip...!!

[roscobbc]

This might sound a bit odd re. the transmission in RR's Vette......but Keisler some years ago were marketing (before going bust) modified Ford Mustang 5 speeders, their mods' dealing with a seemingly then common issue with the version of the T5 transmission then in common use. Was this transmission offered with suitable tailshaft for GM applications.

[Oneball]

ratrod 2 said:

Oneball said:

Fingers crossed will be there in the Vette, got Silverstone at the begging of April too.

In other news engine is back in the Mercury, but need to take it out again to fix a leaking core plug.

What date are you at Silverstone Oneball, is it the 13/14th of April and are you racing the C3.

Would love to come up ,about as far as i want to go these days,

Edited by ratrod 2 on Wednesday 27th March 09:01

Yes. 13th 14th and yes C3 with Bernies V8s

[aeropilot]

roscobbc said:

This might sound a bit odd re. the transmission in RR's Vette......but Keisler some years ago were marketing (before going bust) modified Ford Mustang 5 speeders, their mods' dealing with a seemingly then common issue with the version of the T5 transmission then in common use. Was this transmission offered with suitable tailshaft for GM applications.

That's where it starts to get confusing.....

As the first 5-speed Mustang were the mid 80's Fox Body ones, which used the BW T5 (same as in a Cossie Sierra from '86) but by the early 90's they got uprated Tremec units (similar to a lot used in GM cars), but they were still BW in a way, as Borg Warner and Tremec became one and the same company via a sequence of various mergers.

Many hot rodders use the early T5 speed bolted up behind a flathead as they are quite compact and fit nicely under the floor of a 32-34 Ford without taking up much foot space, and they are plenty strong enough for a hot flathead.

Be OK behind a sbc C2 vette, but not behind a bbc C2 or a non-stock sbc.