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Team, what are the upcoming American car events in the South East that you guys go to?
I'm away for the next two weeks, but when I get back and if the weather gets nice and dry, I fancy taking the Camaro out for a few days out, possibly with a small child or two in tow to give my wife a break.
My car lives in north Surrey at my mother's house, so stuff in the vicinity would work well. Doesn't have to be a huge day, even a nice local meet or two would be nice.
Looking very tempting today, when I checked in on Mum - but didn't take her out as was wet. Can't wait for a warm, sunny weekend.
I shall be there second bank holiday of May for sure, as going to hire a skip and get rid of a load of stuff in the garage, so that Saab and Chevy can be parked in there with lots of room to spare. Getting out for a few hours would be a welcome break!
I'm away for the next two weeks, but when I get back and if the weather gets nice and dry, I fancy taking the Camaro out for a few days out, possibly with a small child or two in tow to give my wife a break.
My car lives in north Surrey at my mother's house, so stuff in the vicinity would work well. Doesn't have to be a huge day, even a nice local meet or two would be nice.
Looking very tempting today, when I checked in on Mum - but didn't take her out as was wet. Can't wait for a warm, sunny weekend.
I shall be there second bank holiday of May for sure, as going to hire a skip and get rid of a load of stuff in the garage, so that Saab and Chevy can be parked in there with lots of room to spare. Getting out for a few hours would be a welcome break!
Edited by Harry Flashman on Friday 29th March 18:25
newsatten said:
roscobbc said:
newsatten said:
Does it really matter about the M22 - other than some supposed stronger internals and the infamous 'whine' there isn't a lot of difference to a M21 - ratio's will be the same. I've been running close to 600 hp/600+ ft/lbs tq with sticky wide tyres for the last 10 years with zero issues.......OK so I don't do max revs/dropping clutch drag strip pullaways......but neither will you.
The motor is definitely a WS which is correct but need to look at its vin to confirm whether it is indeed matching?
But to be honest im not particularly bothered one way or the other!
All the Matching stuff is b
ks to me,These are old cars and should be thrashed!
Doing this causes wear and damage which can be fixed,
Engines let go for all sorts of reasons and 50 odd years is a very long time !
I’ll just mull it over for the time being,
But as a retirement past time it could be just what I need,
Plus I’ll tick that all important want off the list ,
This all sounds like a no brainer but it’s a big car and will require a the full Monty !
I wish I had the hand skills.
Glad I gave wheels day a miss. Parking up in a muddy field and getting rained on does not fill me with glee.
Saturday and Sunday are looking dry and the Hellcat need a good clean.
roscobbc said:
Does it really matter about the M22 - other than some supposed stronger internals and the infamous 'whine' there isn't a lot of difference to a M21 - ratio's will be the same.
Its stronger internals are just the differently cut cogs on the gear sets, they are a half way house between the normal helical cut on the M20/M21 and full on straight cut as used in a comp car, hence the whine that the M22 makes.You can see the difference here.
Harry Flashman said:
Team, what are the upcoming American car events in the South East that you guys go to?
You should have given it a run today down to J4 of the M3 to the NAMCO annual open day/party.If want a local morning/breakie meet for a couple of hours, then there's always the monthy meet at Krispy Kreme at Shannon Corner on the A3 in New Maldon. Every 3rd Sunday of the month.
Harry Flashman said:
If you buy it, we need a resto thread for sure please!
I think everyone would just get bored!I done this with the Dodge!!
Tbh I’m slightly worried I’m just to old now for this sort of work!
But as my wife’s says “ you’ll be doing this as a hobby, and can work wherever the fancy takes you and not as a job” !!
She’s got a point!
Edited by newsatten on Friday 29th March 18:41
newsatten said:
Tbh I’m slightly worried I’m just to old now for this sort of work!
But as my wife’s says “ you’ll be this as a hobby, and can work wherever the fancy takes you and not as a job” !!
She’s got a point!
There is that.But as my wife’s says “ you’ll be this as a hobby, and can work wherever the fancy takes you and not as a job” !!
She’s got a point!
You've always done it in what spare time while doing it as a full time job.
If its a retirement project, it won't be competing for that full time job time, and you could probably do as much as before just working on it 2/3 days a week, or just mornings only etc., or just when you feel like it
newsatten]atrod 2 said:
Me i couldn't even think about buying it as the labour alone wouldn't make it viable,I would be better off buying
American Pete's blue bull nose for £65K and have a ready to drive car and still end up in front of the white car financially
and not having the wait of 2 years or more having it restored,but you can save a shed load money doing this yourself,
A big investment and no going back once started.
On the other hand not the car you long to own but easier on the brain just seen it listed today a rather lovely 77 Trans Am , sorry it is auto
rare car in silver with red interior, I love a period silver or white /cream classic with red interiors ,
Sounds and looks a decent car with 47,000 miles genuine ,
The guys asking £21K which is probably negotiable although the guy doesn't sound desperate ,
It's on "UK Classic American Cars " ,takes 2 seconds to join up to their forum via Face Book,
"unusal car sales uk "is worth joining too while your there, they are mainly yanks and rods.
Just a thought while your in T/Am mode.
Nah just be buying for the sake of it, no if i cant have what i want not buying anything!
And yes i agree it need a massive amount of work, but its what i do so apart from the size and bother locating parts from the US which is also a painful and fraught passtime these days,
But the dilemma is definitely a thing, buy this and work my nuts off again, or buy something virtually turn key and improve etc,
The one thing thats not negotiable is the trans , got to be a Manual end of lol................................................
Very wise , good positive thinking, American Pete's blue bull nose for £65K and have a ready to drive car and still end up in front of the white car financially
and not having the wait of 2 years or more having it restored,but you can save a shed load money doing this yourself,
A big investment and no going back once started.
On the other hand not the car you long to own but easier on the brain just seen it listed today a rather lovely 77 Trans Am , sorry it is auto
rare car in silver with red interior, I love a period silver or white /cream classic with red interiors ,
Sounds and looks a decent car with 47,000 miles genuine ,
The guys asking £21K which is probably negotiable although the guy doesn't sound desperate ,
It's on "UK Classic American Cars " ,takes 2 seconds to join up to their forum via Face Book,
"unusal car sales uk "is worth joining too while your there, they are mainly yanks and rods.
Just a thought while your in T/Am mode.
Nah just be buying for the sake of it, no if i cant have what i want not buying anything!
And yes i agree it need a massive amount of work, but its what i do so apart from the size and bother locating parts from the US which is also a painful and fraught passtime these days,
But the dilemma is definitely a thing, buy this and work my nuts off again, or buy something virtually turn key and improve etc,
The one thing thats not negotiable is the trans , got to be a Manual end of lol................................................
Seemed to be more cars with a for sale sign on them today at Wheel Day,
There's always a couple most years, Nothing to get me excited though
Harry Flashman said:
Team, what are the upcoming American car events in the South East that you guys go to?
I'm away for the next two weeks, but when I get back and if the weather gets nice and dry, I fancy taking the Camaro out for a few days out, possibly with a small child or two in tow to give my wife a break.
My car lives in north Surrey at my mother's house, so stuff in the vicinity would work well. Doesn't have to be a huge day, even a nice local meet or two would be nice.
Looking very tempting today, when I checked in on Mum - but didn't take her out as was wet. Can't wait for a warm, sunny weekend.
I shall be there second bank holiday of May for sure, as going to hire a skip and get rid of a load of stuff in the garage, so that Saab and Chevy can be parked in there with lots of room to spare. Getting out for a few hours would be a welcome break!
Not a lot by the looks of it, there's a classic car meet at Brooklands tomorrow ,not American but there's usually one or two turn upI'm away for the next two weeks, but when I get back and if the weather gets nice and dry, I fancy taking the Camaro out for a few days out, possibly with a small child or two in tow to give my wife a break.
My car lives in north Surrey at my mother's house, so stuff in the vicinity would work well. Doesn't have to be a huge day, even a nice local meet or two would be nice.
Looking very tempting today, when I checked in on Mum - but didn't take her out as was wet. Can't wait for a warm, sunny weekend.
I shall be there second bank holiday of May for sure, as going to hire a skip and get rid of a load of stuff in the garage, so that Saab and Chevy can be parked in there with lots of room to spare. Getting out for a few hours would be a welcome break!
Edited by Harry Flashman on Friday 29th March 18:25
plus it's very close to you
Also 60 years of Mustangs on the 20th of April and Mopars on the 26th of May ,both at Brooklands
A bit far away time wise but Beaulieu's custom and American show on the 16th of June is a good one ,plenty to do for the kids and wifey
Usually falls on Fathers day so might work in your favour,
If you buy a copy of "Classic American" there's this years American cars and Hot Rods car shows fixture list ,
Should be quite a few in and around your area without having to travel to far.
ratrod 2 said:
Not a lot by the looks of it, there's a classic car meet at Brooklands tomorrow ,not American but there's usually one or two turn up
plus it's very close to you
Also 60 years of Mustangs on the 20th of April and Mopars on the 26th of May ,both at Brooklands
A bit far away time wise but Beaulieu's custom and American show on the 16th of June is a good one ,plenty to do for the kids and wifey
Usually falls on Fathers day so might work in your favour,
If you buy a copy of "Classic American" there's this years American cars and Hot Rods car shows fixture list ,
Should be quite a few in and around your area without having to travel to far.
Certainly not the case living here in Albania!plus it's very close to you
Also 60 years of Mustangs on the 20th of April and Mopars on the 26th of May ,both at Brooklands
A bit far away time wise but Beaulieu's custom and American show on the 16th of June is a good one ,plenty to do for the kids and wifey
Usually falls on Fathers day so might work in your favour,
If you buy a copy of "Classic American" there's this years American cars and Hot Rods car shows fixture list ,
Should be quite a few in and around your area without having to travel to far.
Big drive to the border through bandit country
Been doing sum sums , whilst the Poncho is doable it’s going a absorb an easy 500 hours,
Depending on how far I went that could go to 1000,
Could maybe get it on the road in 200??
Once I’ve had a proper poke around I’ll have a better idea of what I’m up against,
And the fact it’s a Clip type car, once the engine and transmission is out, the whole front end would be off and this would leave me the tub from the bulkhead back,
So basically I could lose a third of its bulk!
Cost is still the main concern, ok free labour saves a huge chunk of the cost, but still leaves 5-8K in potential parts,
5-10k for engine transmission and third member work,
2k for wheels and tires, minimum 1500 quid for paint and materials,
So guys based on what I’ve said how much is the turd worth as it sits???
Answers on a postcard Pete the painter
newsatten said:
ratrod 2 said:
Not a lot by the looks of it, there's a classic car meet at Brooklands tomorrow ,not American but there's usually one or two turn up
plus it's very close to you
Also 60 years of Mustangs on the 20th of April and Mopars on the 26th of May ,both at Brooklands
A bit far away time wise but Beaulieu's custom and American show on the 16th of June is a good one ,plenty to do for the kids and wifey
Usually falls on Fathers day so might work in your favour,
If you buy a copy of "Classic American" there's this years American cars and Hot Rods car shows fixture list ,
Should be quite a few in and around your area without having to travel to far.
Certainly not the case living here in Albania!plus it's very close to you
Also 60 years of Mustangs on the 20th of April and Mopars on the 26th of May ,both at Brooklands
A bit far away time wise but Beaulieu's custom and American show on the 16th of June is a good one ,plenty to do for the kids and wifey
Usually falls on Fathers day so might work in your favour,
If you buy a copy of "Classic American" there's this years American cars and Hot Rods car shows fixture list ,
Should be quite a few in and around your area without having to travel to far.
Big drive to the border through bandit country
Been doing sum sums , whilst the Poncho is doable it’s going a absorb an easy 500 hours,
Depending on how far I went that could go to 1000,
Could maybe get it on the road in 200??
Once I’ve had a proper poke around I’ll have a better idea of what I’m up against,
And the fact it’s a Clip type car, once the engine and transmission is out, the whole front end would be off and this would leave me the tub from the bulkhead back,
So basically I could lose a third of its bulk!
Cost is still the main concern, ok free labour saves a huge chunk of the cost, but still leaves 5-8K in potential parts,
5-10k for engine transmission and third member work,
2k for wheels and tires, minimum 1500 quid for paint and materials,
So guys based on what I’ve said how much is the turd worth as it sits???
Answers on a postcard Pete the painter
I don't mind a bit of tlc which i can do myself while driving the car,
Have bought projects like this on price and have usually move them on without touching them as i realised just how much worse they were when
getting them home , Always left them whole as nobody wants to buy a restoration when it's pulled apart with rusty bits all over the place.
I would be hard say around £15K/£20K depending how bad you want it ,there's not another one to go and look at .
To be honest i only see a up together one arond £40K/£45K ,I think American Petes blue car is still for sale at £65K and that is
a lovely original car , probably £50K/£55K car in reality and that's being kind.
Take my C2 ,they are mostly up fo £59K and even £10K more than that , ,yes lots of enquires but nobody willing
even to make me a offer,
I think we forget that £50K is still a lot of money for even buyers with a good income's to pay for a toy especially a American one unless it has a
genuine Shelby chassis number attached to it then it's 3 times that amount.,
As i said before it's a tuff decision to make , the bigger picture seeing it finished in your drive in 2/3 years time all finished or a big regret not buying it .
I think you answered your own question when i mentioned the silver T/Am ,
You said i would rather go without if you can't have the real thing
Edited by ratrod 2 on Saturday 30th March 11:47
[quote=ratrod 2]
No good asking me,i've always shied away from projects like this just because i haven't got the skills or commotment,
I don't mind a bit of tlc which i can do myself while driving the car,
Have bought projects like this on price and have usually move them on without touching them as i realised just how much worse they were when
getting them home , Always left them whole as nobody wants to buy a restoration when it's pulled apart with rusty bits all over the place.
I would be hard say around £15K/£20K depending how bad you want it ,there's not another one to go and look at .
To be honest i only see a up together one arond £40K/£45K ,I think American Petes blue car is still for sale at £65K and that is
a lovely original car , probably £50K/£55K car in reality and that's being kind.
Take my C2 ,they are mostly up fo £59K and even £10K more than that , ,yes lots of enquires but nobody willing
even to make me a offer,
I think we forget that £50K is still a lot of money for even buyers with a good income's to pay for a toy especially a American one unless it has a
genuine Shelby chassis number attached to it then it's 3 times that amount.,
As i said before it's a tuff decision to make , the bigger picture seeing it finished in your drive in 2/3 years time all finished or a big regret not buying it .
I think you answered your own question when i mentioned the silver T/Am ,
You said i would rather go without if you can't have the real thing
Yes absolutely agree!
Hugely over priced at anything over 40k
Which I guess is why I’ve never been able to get one ,
I’ve a definite limit as to what these that are worth,
60k for some wobbly FatBack Ford , never would I consider paying anything near that so consequently I’ll never own one , simple!
So it’s a difficult thing to make a decision on,
If I make an offer it’s got to be on the bases that if it’s accepted it’s a done deal!
None of this ok I’ll have a think about it Malarky!
So I’d need to go in low ish to have half a chance of getting it done without bankruptcy!
I’ll phone the guy early next week as there’s also a potential problem of it doesn’t seem to be registered with DVLA ?
I’ve got a horrible feeling this could be a major issue,
Plus I’ve zero experience with this side of yanks,
Factor in it’s been here for ever, probably zero paper work with the car,
So it’s problems are extensive to say the least!
If I’ve learned one thing as I’ve got older it’s
“ don’t let somebody else’s problems become my problems!!!”
No good asking me,i've always shied away from projects like this just because i haven't got the skills or commotment,
I don't mind a bit of tlc which i can do myself while driving the car,
Have bought projects like this on price and have usually move them on without touching them as i realised just how much worse they were when
getting them home , Always left them whole as nobody wants to buy a restoration when it's pulled apart with rusty bits all over the place.
I would be hard say around £15K/£20K depending how bad you want it ,there's not another one to go and look at .
To be honest i only see a up together one arond £40K/£45K ,I think American Petes blue car is still for sale at £65K and that is
a lovely original car , probably £50K/£55K car in reality and that's being kind.
Take my C2 ,they are mostly up fo £59K and even £10K more than that , ,yes lots of enquires but nobody willing
even to make me a offer,
I think we forget that £50K is still a lot of money for even buyers with a good income's to pay for a toy especially a American one unless it has a
genuine Shelby chassis number attached to it then it's 3 times that amount.,
As i said before it's a tuff decision to make , the bigger picture seeing it finished in your drive in 2/3 years time all finished or a big regret not buying it .
I think you answered your own question when i mentioned the silver T/Am ,
You said i would rather go without if you can't have the real thing
Yes absolutely agree!
Hugely over priced at anything over 40k
Which I guess is why I’ve never been able to get one ,
I’ve a definite limit as to what these that are worth,
60k for some wobbly FatBack Ford , never would I consider paying anything near that so consequently I’ll never own one , simple!
So it’s a difficult thing to make a decision on,
If I make an offer it’s got to be on the bases that if it’s accepted it’s a done deal!
None of this ok I’ll have a think about it Malarky!
So I’d need to go in low ish to have half a chance of getting it done without bankruptcy!
I’ll phone the guy early next week as there’s also a potential problem of it doesn’t seem to be registered with DVLA ?
I’ve got a horrible feeling this could be a major issue,
Plus I’ve zero experience with this side of yanks,
Factor in it’s been here for ever, probably zero paper work with the car,
So it’s problems are extensive to say the least!
If I’ve learned one thing as I’ve got older it’s
“ don’t let somebody else’s problems become my problems!!!”
I would second ratrods estimate, but as it's a non driver with some serious issues I would think twice about buying.
Had some issues registering a car once, costs spiralling to the point of no return. Could tarnish the joy a little...
Depending on how much you want it, 55k for a good one, minus 22k for parts, minus at least 20k for labour leaves it between 10 and 15k, more would be a labour of love...
Somehow I feel the seller wants 20 - 25k, is that in the ballpark?
Had some issues registering a car once, costs spiralling to the point of no return. Could tarnish the joy a little...
Depending on how much you want it, 55k for a good one, minus 22k for parts, minus at least 20k for labour leaves it between 10 and 15k, more would be a labour of love...
Somehow I feel the seller wants 20 - 25k, is that in the ballpark?
sidewinder500 said:
Somehow I feel the seller wants 20 - 25k, is that in the ballpark?
I reckon seller wants a lot more than that, hence they are still for sale, as seller is being unrealistic in current market.Current market means very few people will take these on, no one will buy these that need put them into the trade to be restored as simple maths mean its just not viable, unless you are minted and really, really want a early manual bull nose T/A. I don't think there are many in UK currently in that situation.
NatT has the skills to 'do it himself'......and in current market, if the seller actually wants to sell, then Pete the Painter is really in the driving seat in terms of getting a very good deal.....
and fingers crossed.If seller isn't bothered about selling, and is happy to sit on them for another decade or more in the vain hope the market will change again, then......
aeropilot said:
sidewinder500 said:
Somehow I feel the seller wants 20 - 25k, is that in the ballpark?
I reckon seller wants a lot more than that, hence they are still for sale, as seller is being unrealistic in current market.Current market means very few people will take these on, no one will buy these that need put them into the trade to be restored as simple maths mean its just not viable, unless you are minted and really, really want a early manual bull nose T/A. I don't think there are many in UK currently in that situation.
NatT has the skills to 'do it himself'......and in current market, if the seller actually wants to sell, then Pete the Painter is really in the driving seat in terms of getting a very good deal.....
and fingers crossed.If seller isn't bothered about selling, and is happy to sit on them for another decade or more in the vain hope the market will change again, then......
We’re all on the same page really,
And estimated prices are close to mine,
The registration issue bothers me , but I could throw that back to the seller, ??
If he could get this sorted it would make it far more attractive!
he’s a nice guy and obviously knowledgeable and skilled in the old car business,
We got on fine, and there’s a deal to be done but it is a big big job, if done to a higher level ?
Or I could go the Ratty look, make it as sound and as strong as possible,
Do all the running gear, rebuild the motor etc
New rims and boots , as just use it!
Could be a fantastic Road Kill type
ratrod 2 said:
Better idea ,sell your soul to the devil (Bank) and bag on Harry's door with bag of cash
and you will be driving your 427 Camaro in a rather nice shade of green tomorrow ,
We’re already talking!and you will be driving your 427 Camaro in a rather nice shade of green tomorrow ,
It ticks so many boxes, 69’ far and away my favourite
427 Manual , yeah it’s all there ,
In fact I’ve started putting the necessary together!
Quite looking forward to the next 6 weeks!
Lol
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