Why so high?

[P5BNij]

Went to a small local classics meet a few years ago in my Series 2 XJ6 and parked next to a black Lincoln Continental with the suicide rear doors in full JFK / FBI mode, it absolutely dwarfed the Jag!

Plan now is to get my garage door swap done in the next couple of weeks and then I can actively start viewing some potential yank toys in the metal. Also need to get the electrics and lighting in which I’ve been putting off for far too long

[roscobbc]

rat rod said:

A couple of cheap Vettes sold in Barons auctions on Tuesday,

69 C3 auto, split roof £19,250 looks a decent car in the photo's

and a 2001 C5 for £11,825 seems a lot of car for no money,

Also 2 tatty Falcons,1 coupe and 1 convertible but what i thought would be

a bit of fun was a 1978 Lincoln Continental MK5 Diamond Jubilee in bright gold and a interior

which looks like your Nan's 3 piece suit inside, looks in lovely condition in the photo's

If you don't take yourself to seriously what a hoot to take everybody to the Rally of the Giants in,

Like you said - Falcons were rather tatty - 2001 the C5 was 134K miles and probably about the going rate - looked VGC though. Odd thing about the Lincoln (and I thought it looked very good - until this.......) the faux spare wheel in the boot - it was 'padded' the match the roff wtf!. Did you see the 'race spec' S type Jag? another wtf moment!

[aeropilot]

rat rod said:

a bit of fun was a 1978 Lincoln Continental MK5 Diamond Jubilee in bright gold and a interior

which looks like your Nan's 3 piece suit inside, looks in lovely condition in the photo's

If you don't take yourself to seriously what a hoot to take everybody to the Rally of the Giants in,

Great for doing a Frank Cannon impersonation - although really needs to be an ice blue '72 Mark IV for that
(we're probably all the right age and looks to carry that off now though )

[aeropilot]

roscobbc said:

Did you see the 'race spec' S type Jag? another wtf moment!

Was that the white one that appeared in an episode of Blue Peter when the presenter took part on a classic race at Sillystone 40 odd years ago?

[rat rod]

roscobbc said:

Like you said - Falcons were rather tatty - 2001 the C5 was 134K miles and probably about the going rate - looked VGC though. Odd thing about the Lincoln (and I thought it looked very good - until this.......) the faux spare wheel in the boot - it was 'padded' the match the roff wtf!. Did you see the 'race spec' S type Jag? another wtf moment!

Jag didn't do a lot for me, think it was a 420 ,neither S Type or MK10 ,probably why it didn't sell well when new or now,

Heavy old thing to go racing in but good starter car if you just want to do track days or fancy yourself as a race driver

but not bothered where you come in the field ,meant position not literally,

"Graham Hill once said "You meet a nicer class of driver at the back of the grid" i may not have got that absolutely

right word for word but i doubt he would have at the back for long.

Edited by rat rod on Friday 23 April 08:24

[rat rod]

aeropilot said:

rat rod said:

a bit of fun was a 1978 Lincoln Continental MK5 Diamond Jubilee in bright gold and a interior

which looks like your Nan's 3 piece suit inside, looks in lovely condition in the photo's

If you don't take yourself to seriously what a hoot to take everybody to the Rally of the Giants in,

Great for doing a Frank Cannon impersonation - although really needs to be an ice blue '72 Mark IV for that
(we're probably all the right age and looks to carry that off now though )

I shouldn't really like that Lincoln but for some reason i do, maybe if it was £20K i wouldn't.

Would love a black suicide door model, just fit air ride , no fancy wheels, just wide whites and the original hub caps

and make the exhaust just slightly noisier to give it a discrete rumble, very gangster ,

[rat rod]

Just spotted a blue Lincoln MK5 on Car & Classic for £23K, makes the gold one look a bit of a bargain, maybe?

Should start going to some of these auctions again ]now that we can attend them,

[aeropilot]

rat rod said:

Would love a black suicide door model, just fit air ride , no fancy wheels, just wide whites and the original hub caps

The one they did on Wheeler Dealers looked great (apart from the utterly vile chrome spoke wheels that Brewer thought looked cool....which just proves how little taste he has....plus it looked even more crap with blackwall tyres)

I've heard that getting a lot of the parts for them are a nightmare though.

An old mate of mine has a '58 Continental convertible and I know he has a huge struggle finding parts for that aircraft carrier sometimes, but the slightly newer 60's models are not much better.

[newsatten]

My brother had a Frank Cannon Mk5 , absolutely huge car, drove all smooth and wafty , best feature for me was the faux Continental on the trunk,
He had a Boat tail Riv as well, much nicer car,

But today Interiors are very difficult to reproduce, tons of small items that are all but impossible to find, bodys rot like everything else, very little in the way of replacement panels, factor in back in the day they were almost worthless, so most have had tons of owners/abusers
Kiss of death over here,

[newsatten]

rat rod said:

newsatten said:

Looks like all the others now !

Even though i specified absolutely no rubbing issues, so was recommended 245's still touch ffs...............................
So will have to relive the wheel arch lip, not impressed

Edited by newsatten on Thursday 22 April 14:02

No ,leave the arch lip ,just go round the corners slower ,I take it your not going to lower it then.

Whoops ! Forgot to mention the A.R.E along with the BF.GOODRICH's look cool,

Fills those arches up a treat ,


Nah not my style , im no Mickey Thompson but do like to keep up with traffic !
Cant be arsed to creep around a roundabout, i use my cars, for a large old barge it handles pretty well, well it did! i'l just refit me Ralley's for the time being,

Only 4 times in all the years ive messed about with these, have i changed wheels/tyres etc, everytime its been a drama!
lol..............................................................................................

[roscobbc]

aeropilot said:

roscobbc said:

Did you see the 'race spec' S type Jag? another wtf moment!

Was that the white one that appeared in an episode of Blue Peter when the presenter took part on a classic race at Sillystone 40 odd years ago?

Maroon with full roll cage - a bit tatty and battered.........



I seem to remember those wheels 'from the dawn of time' - J A Pearce Magna's ?
Now I've looked at it aganin I quite like it!

Edited by roscobbc on Friday 23 April 10:41

[roscobbc]

aeropilot said:

rat rod said:

Would love a black suicide door model, just fit air ride , no fancy wheels, just wide whites and the original hub caps

The one they did on Wheeler Dealers looked great (apart from the utterly vile chrome spoke wheels that Brewer thought looked cool....which just proves how little taste he has....plus it looked even more crap with blackwall tyres)

I've heard that getting a lot of the parts for them are a nightmare though.

An old mate of mine has a '58 Continental convertible and I know he has a huge struggle finding parts for that aircraft carrier sometimes, but the slightly newer 60's models are not much better.

I believe there's possibly some 'crossover' with mid/late 50's TBird running gear and body pan? - unitary body, no chassis?

[newsatten]

[aeropilot]

roscobbc said:

aeropilot said:

roscobbc said:

Did you see the 'race spec' S type Jag? another wtf moment!

Was that the white one that appeared in an episode of Blue Peter when the presenter took part on a classic race at Sillystone 40 odd years ago?

Maroon with full roll cage - a bit tatty and battered.........



I seem to remember those wheels 'from the dawn of time' - J A Pearce Magna's ?
Now I've looked at it aganin I quite like it!

Edited by roscobbc on Friday 23 April 10:41

Aah...that's a 420, not an S-Type.

Very odd thing to do to a 420 though?

[roscobbc]

newsatten said:

Now thats 'interesting' - always presumed that Plymouth and Dodge had identical base bodies and rear spoilers - didn't realise that spoilers were differing heights and angles.......

[aeropilot]

roscobbc said:

newsatten said:

Now thats 'interesting' - always presumed that Plymouth and Dodge had identical base bodies and rear spoilers - didn't realise that spoilers were differing heights and angles.......

Yep.
Nose cones are completely different as well.
Remember that, Plymouth took what had been learned by Dodge in the '69 season, and tweeked the design for their '70 season. Plus they had to adapt the design for the Charger shape to the slightly different Roadrunner base shape.
Dodge had already partially done changes to the Charger aero's when they did the Charger 500 prior to teh Daytona.

[P5BNij]

It always amazes me how much retooling must have been involved in the almost annual sheet metal changes on some cars in those days, it must have cost a bomb in the initial outlay.

[newsatten]

Yeah Retooling big time, some of these cars have very complex shapes, there watchwords were " if you can draw it, we can make" one of the reasons ive such a high regard for the American auto industries, Yes the cars were of dubious quality, but they were also priced as low as possible,

Just watched a small video on Youtube of the Chrysler Turbine car, what an epic looking Jetson's machine...................

[roscobbc]

Amortisation. Presumably the sheer physical numbers sold of respective models sold on an annual basis would cover tooling costs. Still amazing to think about it if you allow for differing engines, trim levels and significantly body styles - which could comprise, 4 door sedan. 4 door hardtop. 2 door 'formal' hardtop. 2 door 'fastback' coupe. 2 door convertible. 2 door station wagon. 4 door station wagon. 2 door car based 'pick-up'.

[roscobbc]

newsatten said:

Yeah Retooling big time, some of these cars have very complex shapes, there watchwords were " if you can draw it, we can make" one of the reasons ive such a high regard for the American auto industries, Yes the cars were of dubious quality, but they were also priced as low as possible,

Just watched a small video on Youtube of the Chrysler Turbine car, what an epic looking Jetson's machine...................

When you consider the projected lifespan of an American car in the 50's, 60's and early 70's was for many buyers perhaps only 12 months or so the automotive marketing people really used that concept to the full. And the cars were perfect for that, maybe doing 10's of thousands of miles, probably not serviced during the period. Plenty of money, low cost of living, why not change your car annually.

Edited by roscobbc on Friday 23 April 16:00