Why so high?

[aeropilot]

LeighW said:

I spent a while with a torch trying to find the numbers on my 350 small block, so that I can see where it originated. After looking up the numbers, I kind of wish I hadn't, turns out it looks to have started life in a '79 Chevy C30.

I know that feeling, my seized 283 came out of a '67 truck. 1967 was the final year Chevy built the 283 (10 year production run) and it went into very few vehicles that year, the most common being pick-ups, and as such trying to find another '67 283 block was really going to be a non-starter, so hence the crate motor instead to replace it. Shame as I really would have liked to have had a traditional vintage 283 back in the '32.

My mate has a 327 out of a '63 Impala SS in his '55 Bel-Air, and would really like a stroker 383 in it, and we have tentatively talked about a deal for swapping them over, but he and his fiance are house hunting at the moment and so its on the back burner in terms of happening.
Who knows, maybe in a couple of years we may look at it again, he gets the grunt he wants and I get a vintage engine closer to what the guy who started building my coupe in the early 70's in the USA put in it.

[roscobbc]

LeighW said:

Although muscle cars are more my thing, I do think the 37 Cord is a fine looking motor.



https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/auctions/1937-cord...

While the wife was watching her usual pap on the TV last night, I spent a while with a torch trying to find the numbers on my 350 small block, so that I can see where it originated. After looking up the numbers, I kind of wish I hadn't, turns out it looks to have started life in a '79 Chevy C30.

I'm assuming it's been rebuilt at some point, as a '79 truck would probably have been to the moon and back, and my engine is sweet as a nut, no smoke at all from cold, runs smooth, oil and coolant are the colours they should be etc, so I'm hoping it's half decent. It has long tube headers, Edelbrock 1406 600cfm carb, Edelbrock intake, so who knows how much power it's putting out. I've not really given it much welly yet, but I did notice that the TH350 changes up into 3rd at 3000rpm even under full throttle! Going to have a go with the B&M ratchet shifter at the weekend now I've fathomed out how it works...

I have never looked at Cord's - have always considered them unattainable - perhaps not if comparing now with some of the grossly overpriced vehicles on the market. I'm simply knocked out by the engineering quality and how different it all is as compared with other makers of the time. What a wonderful dashboard. Reading deeper in to the engine spec's its all rather specialised - but a blower? - amazing. Not so sure about some of the detailing on the car though - too much black splodge underneath - wiring looks fragile ...........nevertheless what a fantastic car (shame about 4 doors)

[aeropilot]

roscobbc said:

LeighW said:

Although muscle cars are more my thing, I do think the 37 Cord is a fine looking motor.



https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/auctions/1937-cord...

While the wife was watching her usual pap on the TV last night, I spent a while with a torch trying to find the numbers on my 350 small block, so that I can see where it originated. After looking up the numbers, I kind of wish I hadn't, turns out it looks to have started life in a '79 Chevy C30.

I'm assuming it's been rebuilt at some point, as a '79 truck would probably have been to the moon and back, and my engine is sweet as a nut, no smoke at all from cold, runs smooth, oil and coolant are the colours they should be etc, so I'm hoping it's half decent. It has long tube headers, Edelbrock 1406 600cfm carb, Edelbrock intake, so who knows how much power it's putting out. I've not really given it much welly yet, but I did notice that the TH350 changes up into 3rd at 3000rpm even under full throttle! Going to have a go with the B&M ratchet shifter at the weekend now I've fathomed out how it works...

I have never looked at Cord's - have always considered them unattainable - perhaps not if comparing now with some of the grossly overpriced vehicles on the market. I'm simply knocked out by the engineering quality and how different it all is as compared with other makers of the time. What a wonderful dashboard. Reading deeper in to the engine spec's its all rather specialised - but a blower? - amazing. Not so sure about some of the detailing on the car though - too much black splodge underneath - wiring looks fragile ...........nevertheless what a fantastic car (shame about 4 doors)

They are bit special.
Front wheel drive with a pre-select gearbox. Also, the starter engages automatically when the clutch is depressed if the ignition key is in the on position.

[P5BNij]

rat rod said:

aeropilot said:

The Jarama was actually the personal favourite of Ferruccio himself out of all the Lambo's

There used to be one parked up in the driveway of a big house I used to pass cycling to school in the late 70's, was a bronze-brown colour, with a orangey-tan interior.
They never made many, was one of the rarest Lambo's.

Other than the Muira, my favourite is also little known outside of enthusiasts, the lovely Islero.

The last one i saw was at Historics auction maybe a couple of years ago , they said it was the actual car from the Roger Moore 's

film " The Man Who Haunted Himself" apart from that it was years ago at the Italian day at Brooklands,

Very understated for a Lambo, would surprise a lot of none car people when they see the badge,

A gentlemans Lamborghini .



Personally if your talking older Lamborghini's i love the 60's 350/400 with those gorgeous Borrani wire wheels

Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 11th May 20:59

I remember when that Islero from the film was first on c&c just after it had been restored, it was on for £75k and about two years later was back on at about twice that. Since then it's almost tripled in price / value.

Edited by P5BNij on Wednesday 12th May 12:30

As you were gents, back to the yanks

Edited by P5BNij on Wednesday 12th May 12:31

Edited by P5BNij on Wednesday 12th May 12:31

[newsatten]

aeropilot said:

LeighW said:

I spent a while with a torch trying to find the numbers on my 350 small block, so that I can see where it originated. After looking up the numbers, I kind of wish I hadn't, turns out it looks to have started life in a '79 Chevy C30.

Part and parcel with the joys of old cars, and being philosophical you knew it wasn't a PMD motor to start with, pull the plugs and compression check it,
79' is the heart of the full blown smog motor, pretty much all these motors will have had some work by now, the piston travel on these square motors is Phenomenal, add that to over fueling which most of them do/done bore washing is almost normal ........................

Being honest the HP thing isn't really much of a deal, far better to have a smoke free reliable engine, we just poodle around, and all old cars seem fast at 60 plus, its all part of the charm,

How'd it go with your US parts order?? ...............................................

[roscobbc]

roscobbc said:

aeropilot said:

roscobbc said:

Been considering an 'Old school' Enderle mechanical 8 stack injection set up for the Vette. Been wanting to do this for a few years, but converting over to electronic - unfortunately the one on sale this week in the UK needed too much restoration and machining work

Just dragging rosco's stack injection post up again, as I finally found the photo I took in the swap meet at CHRR in Bakersfield back in 2017

Ahhhhh - car porn

Whilst on the subject of injection - if you were building-up a hot rod you'd just have to use this........wouldn't you?
http://www.nsra.org.uk/newforum/showthread.php?808...

[newsatten]

Good lord did anybody look a the bills/Invoices with that Cord ! They will make your eyes water

[P5BNij]

newsatten said:

Back on topic , 1st prize for the crapest add on Ebay, 78' Trans Am, sort of Black vinyl paint, engine in the trunk, the cars in bits, 20 plus K ,
unfu-----believeable

And now they put all the Scam scumbags make believe motors all together on the last couple of pages, one wonders if Ebay just keeps drawing the fee's for these obviously fraudulent adverts ???

On the same topic but off the main topic (apologies), this ad is pretty bad, a shame really as it could well be a very nice example of the 124 Spyder....

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274791771642?hash=item3...

[LeighW]

newsatten said:

Part and parcel with the joys of old cars, and being philosophical you knew it wasn't a PMD motor to start with, pull the plugs and compression check it,
79' is the heart of the full blown smog motor, pretty much all these motors will have had some work by now, the piston travel on these square motors is Phenomenal, add that to over fueling which most of them do/done bore washing is almost normal ........................

Being honest the HP thing isn't really much of a deal, far better to have a smoke free reliable engine, we just poodle around, and all old cars seem fast at 60 plus, its all part of the charm,

How'd it go with your US parts order?? ...............................................

I'll get the compression checked, what sort of PSI should I expect if it's good? As I say, it runs great, starts first time (that's just cursed it! ).

All ok so far with the parts order, I get regular email updates, last one yesterday was my parts had cleared US customs and been 'shipped from the Global Shipping Center Erlanger, Kentucky to International Destination'. Delivery estimated by 25th. Must be coming by boat!

[aeropilot]

newsatten said:

Good lord did anybody look a the bills/Invoices with that Cord ! They will make your eyes water

Yep.

They are not cheap things to own.......but cheaper than a Duesenberg from the same stable

[LeighW]

newsatten said:

Good lord did anybody look a the bills/Invoices with that Cord ! They will make your eyes water

Well I hadn't until you said. I'm sat at my desk eating my lunch, so I added them up. £94486.30. Oof!

[rev-erend]

roscobbc said:

roscobbc said:

aeropilot said:

roscobbc said:

Been considering an 'Old school' Enderle mechanical 8 stack injection set up for the Vette. Been wanting to do this for a few years, but converting over to electronic - unfortunately the one on sale this week in the UK needed too much restoration and machining work

Just dragging rosco's stack injection post up again, as I finally found the photo I took in the swap meet at CHRR in Bakersfield back in 2017

Ahhhhh - car porn

Whilst on the subject of injection - if you were building-up a hot rod you'd just have to use this........wouldn't you?
http://www.nsra.org.uk/newforum/showthread.php?808...

Very nice.

My mate is after a Hemi for his 67 Dart.

[LeighW]

roscobbc said:

Whilst on the subject of injection - if you were building-up a hot rod you'd just have to use this........wouldn't you?
http://www.nsra.org.uk/newforum/showthread.php?808...

This is my mate's Daimler 'baby hemi' that is going in his Ford Model Y. Sounds pretty sweet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLR5UVMHe3g

[aeropilot]

rev-erend said:

Very nice.

My mate is after a Hemi for his 67 Dart.

Wrong engine.

He'll want a 2nd generation 426 Hemi for a 67 Dart not a 1950's Chrysler/DeSoto 'hemi' which is what that is in that photo.

And he can just order one brand new in a crate from Mopar Performance anyway, so he doesn't have to look too far!!!

[newsatten]

LeighW said:

I'll get the compression checked, what sort of PSI should I expect if it's good? As I say, it runs great, starts first time (that's just cursed it! ).

All ok so far with the parts order, I get regular email updates, last one yesterday was my parts had cleared US customs and been 'shipped from the Global Shipping Center Erlanger, Kentucky to International Destination'. Delivery estimated by 25th. Must be coming by boat!

Without getting all techy , check all the compression's the main thing is they are all about the same, say your average is 140 , just divide by 14.5
= about 9-5 to 1 ,
8 to 1 is quite common i believe, old school stuff goes 12 etc....................... but then fuel becomes an issue.

all about the same is ok! obliviously if they are all 100 youll need to check your wallet!

This formula is just a rough guide , but good enough !

[rev-erend]

aeropilot said:

rev-erend said:

Very nice.

My mate is after a Hemi for his 67 Dart.

Wrong engine.

He'll want a 2nd generation 426 Hemi for a 67 Dart not a 1950's Chrysler/DeSoto 'hemi' which is what that is in that photo.

And he can just order one brand new in a crate from Mopar Performance anyway, so he doesn't have to look too far!!!

You are right and that is exactly what he will say in about an hour when I see him in the pub.

Sure he can buy a Hemi from Mopar performance or others like Ray Barton but the cost is very high .. minimum 20K and more like 25K+

Good news is the dollar ex rate is1.41 best its been for a while.

[some bloke]

aeropilot said:

LeighW said:

I spent a while with a torch trying to find the numbers on my 350 small block, so that I can see where it originated. After looking up the numbers, I kind of wish I hadn't, turns out it looks to have started life in a '79 Chevy C30.

I know that feeling, my seized 283 came out of a '67 truck. 1967 was the final year Chevy built the 283 (10 year production run) and it went into very few vehicles that year, the most common being pick-ups, and as such trying to find another '67 283 block was really going to be a non-starter, so hence the crate motor instead to replace it. Shame as I really would have liked to have had a traditional vintage 283 back in the '32.

My mate has a 327 out of a '63 Impala SS in his '55 Bel-Air, and would really like a stroker 383 in it, and we have tentatively talked about a deal for swapping them over, but he and his fiance are house hunting at the moment and so its on the back burner in terms of happening.
Who knows, maybe in a couple of years we may look at it again, he gets the grunt he wants and I get a vintage engine closer to what the guy who started building my coupe in the early 70's in the USA put in it.

When I was 15-16 my future BIL was building a T-bucket with a 283 in it. It was the first I had even heard of them, and the guy who built the engine for him had worked from a 'How to get 300hp from your 283!' article from a very old Hot Rod mag. Seeing that rev counter zip round to 7500rpm, the screaming engine in front of you, the smoking tyres - the full fury of an American V8 made a big impression on me at the time.

This was in NZ in 1981 or so. It had solid lifters, fuelie heads, a Mk4 Zephyr gearbox and a 9 inch diff, Mk 3 discs. His best 1/4 mile was around 11.80 @115, from memory.

I had a 63 Belair with a 283 and a powerglide around the same time, slightly different performance...

[aeropilot]

rev-erend said:

Sure he can buy a Hemi from Mopar performance or others like Ray Barton but the cost is very high .. minimum 20K and more like 25K+

And how much do you think an old 1960's Hemi will cost...?

And the answer is a LOT more, especially one that isn't knackered, or needs an expensive rebuild, or a new block, which is why Mopar saw a market for putting the things back into production. The numbers matching boys have pretty much priced out of reach anything that is worth rebuilding. Whats left is junk, raced out stuff.......which leaves the new crate motor.

The simple maths is that a new crate motor is the cheaper option. If you want to play with the big boys, you need to have ample sized pockets.

If a crate Hemi is too expensive, stick an RB in it instead.

[roscobbc]

rev-erend said:

aeropilot said:

rev-erend said:

Very nice.

My mate is after a Hemi for his 67 Dart.

Wrong engine.

He'll want a 2nd generation 426 Hemi for a 67 Dart not a 1950's Chrysler/DeSoto 'hemi' which is what that is in that photo.

And he can just order one brand new in a crate from Mopar Performance anyway, so he doesn't have to look too far!!!

You are right and that is exactly what he will say in about an hour when I see him in the pub.

Sure he can buy a Hemi from Mopar performance or others like Ray Barton but the cost is very high .. minimum 20K and more like 25K+

Good news is the dollar ex rate is1.41 best its been for a while.

But......you'll currently be 'stuffed' with shipping costs

[roscobbc]

some bloke said:

aeropilot said:

LeighW said:

I spent a while with a torch trying to find the numbers on my 350 small block, so that I can see where it originated. After looking up the numbers, I kind of wish I hadn't, turns out it looks to have started life in a '79 Chevy C30.

I know that feeling, my seized 283 came out of a '67 truck. 1967 was the final year Chevy built the 283 (10 year production run) and it went into very few vehicles that year, the most common being pick-ups, and as such trying to find another '67 283 block was really going to be a non-starter, so hence the crate motor instead to replace it. Shame as I really would have liked to have had a traditional vintage 283 back in the '32.

My mate has a 327 out of a '63 Impala SS in his '55 Bel-Air, and would really like a stroker 383 in it, and we have tentatively talked about a deal for swapping them over, but he and his fiance are house hunting at the moment and so its on the back burner in terms of happening.
Who knows, maybe in a couple of years we may look at it again, he gets the grunt he wants and I get a vintage engine closer to what the guy who started building my coupe in the early 70's in the USA put in it.

When I was 15-16 my future BIL was building a T-bucket with a 283 in it. It was the first I had even heard of them, and the guy who built the engine for him had worked from a 'How to get 300hp from your 283!' article from a very old Hot Rod mag. Seeing that rev counter zip round to 7500rpm, the screaming engine in front of you, the smoking tyres - the full fury of an American V8 made a big impression on me at the time.

This was in NZ in 1981 or so. It had solid lifters, fuelie heads, a Mk4 Zephyr gearbox and a 9 inch diff, Mk 3 discs. His best 1/4 mile was around 11.80 @115, from memory.

I had a 63 Belair with a 283 and a powerglide around the same time, slightly different performance...

Nothing like the souind of a high revving V8 to excite one. On of the local guys had a 'built' 468 cu in BB Chevy in a '55. He also had nitrous (and used it on the street) rev limiter was 7 or 7500 K. It was fun watching him leave the local pub meet and fighting to keep it in a straight line as far as the eye could see.......Anyone seen (heard) the white '65 Mustang racer (don't remember the owner/driver) - saw it at Bernies race, Brands Hatch - that thing was reputed to run over 10,000 rpm.....wonderful sound.